Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[BetterFuckChuck]

It's probably the videogame series I am most knowledgeable about. Oftentimes the behind-the-scenes details on the franchise can be really fascinating, especially considering that the franchise itself was a short ways away from never coming out during the development of Red and Green(Almost lost all of their data once, six years of development hell, no one close to the team having confidence in them making a game for a 7-year old handheld system that was at it's lowest point popularity-wise, one third of the staff of Game Freak resigning, ect)

Funnily enough, it actually isn't my favorite game series. I can't really consider any of the games mind-blowingly good, but it's like a comfort food of sorts, something familiar and predictable in many ways, and has many addicting qualities to it that make it possible for me to even replay my least favorite titles in the mainline series without feeling like I'm torturing myself.

can you explain the current stagnation and why gen v is so good? did a lot of new blood come in during that one? where they just on a good vibe?

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

can you explain the current stagnation and why gen v is so good? did a lot of new blood come in during that one? where they just on a good vibe?

Gen V was my favorite. The entire gen was just new pokemon (that i liked but some people sperg over them), the battle system was sped up considerably, and the story was the closest thing to 'good' we ever got.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It's hard to say any had a good story, but the first 2 were basic and bare bones enough to not be bad, just simple, which is fine. I don't particularly care for "let's flood the earth because reasons" or whatever dumb agendas the villains always had afterward.

 

[BlazikenLover]

I rewatched some of the generations videos and It makes me sad that the writing went downhill since Gen 5. The story is not a master piece but at least it was coherent and they had an idea of what they wanted the villain team goals to be: team plasma and N were all about liberating pokemon from trainers but it was all a front for Ghetsis to take over the world.
X/Y: Lysandre wants to make a beautiful world or something and for that will use an ancient weapon and the box legend... ok?
Sword and Shield: there will be an energy crisis at some point in the far future from now, better summon this evil snek. oh and the villain team are just some fanboys, the evil guys are the corpos (just like in the last game)
Sun and Moon I found it to be coherent: Lusamine got too obsessed with the ultra beasts and went too far, team skull were just a bunch of misfits and rejects who wanted to cause trouble (and were used by Lusamine)

 

[Thiletonomics]

Spoiler: Scarlet/Violet leak discussion

Here's a presumable list of all of the returning Pokémon in Scarlet and Violet, per the leakers, in visualized form, sorted by Generation. The bottom row of Pokémon can only be obtained by transferring them to S/V from HOME. The Heracross and Salazzle lines are not in this picture, but are presumably also returning as well.

Leakers have also said that the Hisuian evolutions, i.e. Ursaluna and Sneasler, can only be obtained by transferring them from HOME.



This a riddle that appears to be about the 3rd Legendary in S/V.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Spoiler: Scarlet/Violet leak discussion

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Here's a presumable list of all of the returning Pokémon in Scarlet and Violet, per the leakers, in visualized form, sorted by Generation. The bottom row of Pokémon can only be obtained by transferring them to S/V from HOME. The Heracross and Salazzle lines are not in this picture, but are presumably also returning as well.

Leakers have also said that the Hisuian evolutions, i.e. Ursaluna and Sneasler, can only be obtained by transferring them from HOME.

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This a riddle that appears to be about the 3rd Legendary in S/V.

Honestly, I can with with those returning 'mons. Some of them are actually favorites of mine as well so it's not big deal to me. Here are a couple observations of mine:

Spoiler

Will the 'mons with regional variants have both variations available via HOME? I wouldn't mind sending one of my Hisuian Zoroarksa to Paldea when I can.

Looks like the Kalos starters are getting some love here. Good on them.

Of course Ditto will be returning for breeding purposes.

 

[starborn427614]

I rewatched some of the generations videos and It makes me sad that the writing went downhill since Gen 5. The story is not a master piece but at least it was coherent and they had an idea of what they wanted the villain team goals to be: team plasma and N were all about liberating pokemon from trainers but it was all a front for Ghetsis to take over the world.
X/Y: Lysandre wants to make a beautiful world or something and for that will use an ancient weapon and the box legend... ok?
Sword and Shield: there will be an energy crisis at some point in the far future from now, better summon this evil snek. oh and the villain team are just some fanboys, the evil guys are the corpos (just like in the last game)
Sun and Moon I found it to be coherent: Lusamine got too obsessed with the ultra beasts and went too far, team skull were just a bunch of misfits and rejects who wanted to cause trouble (and were used by Lusamine)

Story-wise, Sun felt the most cohesive to me even if it front-loaded everything with tutorial after tutorial.

 

[Yukako]

Will the 'mons with regional variants have both variations available via HOME? I wouldn't mind sending one of my Hisuian Zoroarksa to Paldea when I can.

Hisuian Zoroark was in one of the trailers, so the other regionals probably will.

 

[BlazikenLover]

Honestly, I can with with those returning 'mons. Some of them are actually favorites of mine as well so it's not big deal to me. Here are a couple observations of mine:

Spoiler

Will the 'mons with regional variants have both variations available via HOME? I wouldn't mind sending one of my Hisuian Zoroarksa to Paldea when I can. Looks like the Kalos starters are getting some love here. Good on them. Of course Ditto will be returning for breeding purposes.

Spoiler

Here's hoping you can, at the very least, acquire the original version of regional mons since one thing I hated about legends arceus was how inconsistent it was with that, for example johto sneasel was in the game via rifts but not regular zorua and you can't even transfer it via home.
I get it if they don't include ALL regional forms since it could get kinda messy... actually no it would be stupid if they do that since that's what home is for, let me have all three meowths in a single game.

Edit: turns out swsh has all three variations of meowth so I am more hopeful. Still won't take it for granted, after all it is gamefreak.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I've never really played Pokemon after second gen and never competitively, but I follow a YouTube channel talking about the competitive side out of curiosity, this week it uploaded a video about Baton Pass, and how it was banned.

So was it really that bad? The language used makes it sound like it's a lot of whiny players not wanting to accept a playstyle using a different set of 10 Mons instead of the canon 10 Mons, and necessatating having specific moves rather than the usual necessary moves.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

This is the kind of autism I subscribe to in Pokémon.

 

[Disc]

I've never really played Pokemon after second gen and never competitively, but I follow a YouTube channel talking about the competitive side out of curiosity, this week it uploaded a video about Baton Pass, and how it was banned.

So was it really that bad? The language used makes it sound like it's a lot of whiny players not wanting to accept a playstyle using a different set of 10 Mons instead of the canon 10 Mons, and necessatating having specific moves rather than the usual necessary moves.

Well, answer me this:
Is it likely that the Smogon-like players would come up with some scumfuckery strategy that is extremely unfun to play against and proceed to abuse the fuck out of it?
Or is it more likely that Smogon-like players would throw a massive bitch-fit and make a massive hubbub over nothing, banning a move forever?

The answer is both.

New trailer, showing the Electric Gym Leader, Iono. She's very clearly a vtuber.



Most of the "trailer" was her hinting at what her signature pokemon is. It is:

Squishy
Sluggish pace, easygoing
Two bumps on head
Electric-type
Body expands and contracts to make electricity
Very cute

If the leaked dex is anything to go by, it's likely to be the Frog, assumed Electric/Psychic type. The other Electric types believed to be involved are Pawmi, Miraidon, and a Seagull Pokemon, which doesn't seem as likely to be squishy or have it's body expand and contract.

 

[MightyBiteySnake]

I've never really played Pokemon after second gen and never competitively, but I follow a YouTube channel talking about the competitive side out of curiosity, this week it uploaded a video about Baton Pass, and how it was banned.

So was it really that bad? The language used makes it sound like it's a lot of whiny players not wanting to accept a playstyle using a different set of 10 Mons instead of the canon 10 Mons, and necessatating having specific moves rather than the usual necessary moves.

Generally speaking "uncompetitive" in Pokemon singles means that something either has little to no counterplay or that it requires extremely specific counters that otherwise don't provide team value. The majority of Smogon bans and clauses fall into the first category but more than a few can be considered to be in the second which is why you'll see occasional suspect testing to unban mons and clauses. The problem with BP chains is that you need to bring incredibly specific counterplay to them and if you don't you'll be incredibly likely to lose in the first few turns and if you DO a bring it you run the risk of running against a rogue strat that will be more likely to beat a team geared towards countering BP.

If the leaked dex is anything to go by, it's likely to be the Frog, assumed Electric/Psychic type. The other Electric types believed to be involved are Pawmi, Miraidon, and a Seagull Pokemon, which doesn't seem as likely to be squishy or have it's body expand and contract.

Links to the leaks?

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Links to the leaks?

Here you go:

Pokédex Gen 9

Here is the full Pokedex of Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet with all the leaked Pokémon and all information to date!

www.makio.it

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

I've never really played Pokemon after second gen and never competitively, but I follow a YouTube channel talking about the competitive side out of curiosity, this week it uploaded a video about Baton Pass, and how it was banned.

So was it really that bad? The language used makes it sound like it's a lot of whiny players not wanting to accept a playstyle using a different set of 10 Mons instead of the canon 10 Mons, and necessatating having specific moves rather than the usual necessary moves.

It’s pretty obnoxious. If played properly there is no way to stop a well-built Baton Pass team without resorting to gimmicks like Prankster Haze Murkrow because there are so many ways to block the moves that are supposed to counter stat boosts.

 

[Two Dollars]

I got Legends Arceus recently, and it’s actually really freaking good. This is the most fun I’ve had with a mainline(?) Pokemon game in a long time. I just wish it didn’t look and feel like a poorly-emulated Wii game. I’d be okay with the bad visuals if it at least ran at a somewhat consistent framerate, but for whatever reason, Game Freak just never learned how to do 3D.

 

[Jean Lafitte 1812]

Spoiler: Scarlet/Violet leak discussion

View attachment 3726262

Here's a presumable list of all of the returning Pokémon in Scarlet and Violet, per the leakers, in visualized form, sorted by Generation. The bottom row of Pokémon can only be obtained by transferring them to S/V from HOME. The Heracross and Salazzle lines are not in this picture, but are presumably also returning as well.

Leakers have also said that the Hisuian evolutions, i.e. Ursaluna and Sneasler, can only be obtained by transferring them from HOME.

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This a riddle that appears to be about the 3rd Legendary in S/V.

Ursaluna is weird because it is an item evolution, but the rest of the Hisuian Pokemon I understand being transfer only. I'm mainly interested in trying out Eviolite Ursaring, but I'm happy I'll be able to transfer my Legends MVP. Also lol at Blastoise and Venusaur not making it in at all. I expected them to keep starter sets together but I guess Charizard fan service trumps that. I also appreciate that most pseudos are in the base game this time but my boys Kommo-o and Metagross got cheated.

More leak discussion: From what I've heard on leak Twitter, having one regional variant of a Pokemon no longer guarantees that other regional variants are available. Specifically only the Hisuian versions of the starters are available, not their original forms. I prefer their Hisuian forms but it still sucks.

 

[Archeops]

We’re reaching the end of a Generation, The Pokémon Company just put out a press release about future online connectivity for SwSh (link is to the Japanese site, TPCi hasn’t commented on it yet) come November 1st. Here are the details…

• Wild Area News will get an update that adds Pokémon not usually available like Gigantamax Snorlax to the spawn pool. After this update comes no new Wild Area News updates will be released.
• The Battle Stadium won’t get a new season after the above date passes.
• The results for Ranked Battle seasons won’t appear in HOME after the above date passes.
• Online competitions will cease after the above date, Friendly Competitions can still be run but the results won’t be visible on HOME after December 1st.
• All Y-Comm functions and other online features will continue to be accessible.

It‘s basically a repeat of previous Gen successions as far as online functions go. I just wish that TPC clarified that bit about the Wild Area News, I can’t tell if this update will be a permanent thing or if its a final Wild Area event.

 

[Zaryiu2]

Anyone able to resume what has happened since I last visited the thread after SW/SHwas released but before Arceus was released?

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

Meet Bellibolt! This Electric-type frog is Iono’s favorite and it really is quite cute.