Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Archeops]

Well Scarlet & Violet have just had their first TCG set revealed and it’s really causing a stir in the community, the Japanese sets were revealed on the 9th and the English/international set was revealed the day after and several major changes are coming. The biggest ones I can see are price increases, Tool cards being taken out of Item cards and being made into their own Trainer subclass, the entire D Block of cards being rotated out of Standard, and the changes being made to products in order to justify the increased prices.

Oh, and as far as the video game is concerned I've kind of gotten stuck in terms of what to do next. I've want to Shiny hunt some more Paradox Pokémon but Roaring Moon, one of my main grails, is one of the harder ones to do thanks to its typing and spawning location and I'm just not motivated to hunt for Slither Wing or Sandy Shocks. I have been building up a nice collection of Herba Mystica though, I'm up to 14 (4 Sweet , 1 Sour, 3 Bitter, and 6 Spicy) so I should be fine once I get out of this rut.

 

[Rattus]

I've started playing Scarlet now that I'm mostly done with Violet, and I found this little cutie just outside of Los Platos. That's right—I haven't even reached the academy yet.




I already had my team planned out, but I couldn't resist this one after seeing its evoved shiny form (sorry, Veluza):

 

[Overcast]

In the beta for Gold and Silver there was an alternative evo for Weepinbell named Tsubomitto.

Development:Pokémon Gold and Silver/Pokémon Data/Cut Pokémon - The Cutting Room Floor

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^Beta Leafeon

It got scrapped from the game, along with the Poison stone (which would have been used to evolve Weepinbell for this 'mon). Shame it got scrapped.

Someone pointed out that Tsubomitto's design could be based on a baseball player, which would have been a joke about it being a catcher plant instead of a pitcher plant.

Huh. I wonder if that's why there wasn't a leaf stone in Johto? I remember back when I first played Gold, I wanted to have a Victreebell but I had to go to Kanto to find one.

 

[DatBepisTho]

I've started playing Scarlet now that I'm mostly done with Violet, and I found this little cutie just outside of Los Platos. That's right—I haven't even reached the academy yet.

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I already had my team planned out, but I couldn't resist this one after seeing its evoved shiny form (sorry, Veluza):

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I ended up with the male Lechonk I named Guisado and holy shit I loved sassy pig. He was my tank until the unironically named Best girl Pooper turned into Clodsire.

Some of the new pokemon designs are this time, even if the game is rough looking af in places+times.

 

[Rattus]

I ended up with the male Lechonk I named Guisado and holy shit I loved sassy pig. He was my tank until the unironically named Best girl Pooper turned into Clodsire.

Some of the new pokemon designs are this time, even if the game is rough looking af in places+times.

I wasn't particularly impressed by Lechonk when it was first revealed, but it's definitely growing on me. Clodsire is one of the best from this gen; as soon as I saw Paldean Wooper I knew I had to have it. I love regular Wooper, too.

There are some great designs in every gen, despite the occasional dud (looking at you, Kingambit), and I didn't think the game's flaws were anything too egregious. Mildly annoying, at most.

 

[DatBepisTho]

There are some great designs in every gen, despite the occasional dud (looking at you, Kingambit), and I didn't think the game's flaws were anything too egregious. Mildly annoying, at most.

Spoiler: Continued Pooper Stanning

Clodsire is my trainer's starter and you can't tell me otherwise. Best girl steamrolled everything and she's not even that great of a Wooper to start with. That and weed cat looks too much like a Glip/PK design and that tainted masquerade cat for me. (Still cute tho, named it Kush lol)

-Yeah, I still kinda like kingambit tho, even if just for the concept and the kowtow cleave, sitting on its own hair is kinda questionable-looking.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

I've started playing Scarlet now that I'm mostly done with Violet, and I found this little cutie just outside of Los Platos. That's right—I haven't even reached the academy yet.

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I already had my team planned out, but I couldn't resist this one after seeing its evoved shiny form (sorry, Veluza):

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nearly everyone i've seen, myself included, have gotten a shiny really really early into the game. some people have said they didn't get one but maybe they missed it

 

[Rattus]

Spoiler: Continued Pooper Stanning

Clodsire is my trainer's starter and you can't tell me otherwise. Best girl steamrolled everything and she's not even that great of a Wooper to start with. That and weed cat looks too much like a Glip/PK design and that tainted masquerade cat for me. (Still cute tho, named it Kush lol)

-Yeah, I still kinda like kingambit tho, even if just for the concept and the kowtow cleave, sitting on its own hair is kinda questionable-looking.

That's unfortunate; I love weed cat, personally. Its evos are pretty good too. (I hadn't heard of Glip before now. Ew.)

I just can't bring myself to like it. Pawniard and Bisharp are among my favourites, and it feels like they ruined the line. How did we go from chess to samurai?

nearly everyone i've seen, myself included, have gotten a shiny really really early into the game. some people have said they didn't get one but maybe they missed it

Hm, I didn't. But it's true that I could have missed one. The lack of a shiny sound/visual is criminal.

I almost never find shinies without specifically hunting them, so this was a surprise to me. Especially so early on.

 

[Mr. Bung]

Just completed the story line last night. The ending feels incomplete and presents a number of questions that as of now are left unanswered. I hope DLC answers these. I also hope it allows us to travel to the past/future world the paradox Pokemon were coming from. I'd love to see those environments. It would also be an opportunity to release more paradox Pokemon and some of this game's non-box legendaries.

Other than that, all I can say is my boi Dondozo is an absolute tank and the ascended star of my team. Also glad Perrserker was included in the game as he's my favourite mon, even if you can only get one Galarian Meowth after you're about 2/3rds the way through the storyline.

This has never been a hot take as far as I can tell. I would love to once more have a rival you just want to beat into the dirt because they couldn't stop running their stupid mouths.

Legends of Arceus has Meli, who is incredibly narcissistic and uncooperative with not just the player character but every supporting character as well. I relished putting him down.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I just can't bring myself to like it. Pawniard and Bisharp are among my favourites, and it feels like they ruined the line. How did we go from chess to samurai?

Wasn't that always the theme with them? Their names implied where they stood on the chain of command as well as their strength. The chess parallels are there (and still is with the "King" in Kingambit), but their designs barely resemble what the names implied they were based on.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I really hate the targeting in this game.

You can press ZL directly in front of a Pokemon and nothing will happen.

 

[DatBepisTho]

Dondozo is another good mon, I enjoyed getting a giant catfish that's even bigger than whiscash. Tatsugiri not so much, but then again I haven't done a lot of double battles to be able to use their abilities together as intended. I still liked the design for the curly form though, just not a mon I plan to use rn.

Wasn't that always the theme with them? Their names implied where they stood on the chain of command as well as their strength. The chess parallels are there (and still is with the "King" in Kingambit), but their designs barely resemble what the names implied they were based on.

The first two evolutions of the line never struck me as Chess-themed beyond the names alone tbh, but I can understand where Rattus is coming from. It seems more logical that the kingambit would look like an imposing combo of the black king, a rook, and blades as opposed to treacherous overlord/samurai.

 

[Thorn]

Legends of Arceus has Meli, who is incredibly narcissistic and uncooperative with not just the player character but every supporting character as well. I relished putting him down.

I loved that they paired him with the just-as-stubborn Lian when shit really started going down.

I really hate the targeting in this game.

You can press ZL directly in front of a Pokemon and nothing will happen.

Yet another thing PLA did better. Not only is it so easy to lose Pokemon if they walk two inches to the left, but it's also not easy to switch to another Pokemon in a crowd or pick out a Pokemon on a different height plane than you. There have been situations where I was in a perfect ambush and my character whiffed the throw because the target Pokemon just walked away two frames before I pressed ZR.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

I just can't bring myself to like it. Pawniard and Bisharp are among my favourites, and it feels like they ruined the line. How did we go from chess to samurai?

Despite being chess themed, I got more Power Rangers vibes from Bisharp.

 

[SpergPatrol]

I've started playing Scarlet now that I'm mostly done with Violet, and I found this little cutie just outside of Los Platos. That's right—I haven't even reached the academy yet.

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I already had my team planned out, but I couldn't resist this one after seeing its evoved shiny form (sorry, Veluza):

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This game is very oddly generous with shinies because I got three shinies already and I wasn't even shiny hunting.

Only issue is the lighting for some pokemon makes some shinies hard to see like pikachu who already is too similar to be distinguished.

They really need that shiny sound back because no way in fuck is anyone going to be able to tell if they see a shiny garchomp or not.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Yet another thing PLA did better.

And I don’t understand why they changed it or removed it. The target and catching system worked great. It’s like they took PLA, removed all the good things and added gyms.

‘Yes we are going to have flying Pokemon in the Overworld…what’s a jet ball?’ ‘Yes Pokemon are going to run from you…what’s throwing berries and lures?’ Etc. Ect,

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I am probably going to lose interest by Thursday, but I compiled an overdumped list of moves that are going to be in my theoretical demake.

Because the tonnes of moves are definitely not going to fit in the smaller space in Pokémon Crystal, I did a list only of the moves the Pokémon in my tentative Pokédex could learn by level-up, took away the moves that ar either impossible (Helping Hand) or difficult in implementation (Revival Blessing), then took away any redundant moves (Muddy Water), especially those who would not benefit from the lack of Physical-Special Split in Pokémon Crystal (Giga Impact). I leaned towards removing the newer moves, but I at times got rid of older ones that wer egregious (Pound when Tackle xists). I even got rid of Mega Kick and Splash, though I added Lovely Kiss and Hail, the latter absorbing all uniqu effect Snow has.

Even then, I still have to get rid of 17 moves. I would like some suggestions.

Spoiler: Another Long List

1. Absorb
2. Acid Armor
3. Acid Spray
4. Aerial Ace
5. Agility
6. Amnesia
7. AncientPower
8. Aqua Cutter
9. Aqua Jet
10. Aqua Step
11. Arm Thrust
12. Armor Cannon
13. Axe Kick
14. Baby-Doll Eyes
15. Baton Pass
16. Beat Up
17. Belly Drum
18. Bite
19. Bitter Blade
20. Blazing Torque
21. Blizzard
22. Body Slam
23. Boomburst
24. Brave Bird
25. Bubble Beam
26. Bug Buzz
27. Bulk Up
28. Bulldoze
29. Bullet Seed
30. Calm Mind
31. Charge Beam
32. Charm
33. Circle Throw
34. Close Combat
35. Coil
36. Combat Torque
37. Confuse Ray
38. Confusion
39. Counter
40. Cross Chop
41. Crunch
42. Dazzling Gleam
43. Defense Curl
44. Destiny Bond
45. Detect
46. Dig
47. Disable
48. Disarming Voice
49. Discharge
50. Double Hit
51. Double Kick
52. Double Team
53. Double-Edge
54. Dragon Breath
55. Dragon Dance
56. Dragon Pulse
57. Dragon Rush
58. Drain Punch
59. Draining Kiss
60. Dream Eater
61. Drill Peck
62. Drill Run
63. Dual Wingbeat
64. Earthquake
65. Echoed Voice
66. Ember
67. Encore
68. Endeavor
69. Endure
70. Energy Ball
71. Explosion
72. Extrasensory
73. Fairy Wind
74. False Swipe
75. Feather Dance
76. Fiery Dance
77. Fillet Away
78. Fire Blast
79. Fire Spin
80. Fissure
81. Flail
82. Flame Charge
83. Flame Wheel
84. Flamethrower
85. Flatter
86. Fly
87. Focus Energy
88. Fury Attack
89. Fury Cutter
90. Fury Swipes
91. Future Sight
92. Giga Drain
93. Gigaton Hammer
94. Glare
95. Growl
96. Growth
97. Gunk Shot
98. Gust
99. Hail
100. Harden
101. Haze
102. Headbutt
103. High Horsepower
104. Hone Claws
105. Horn Attack
106. Hurricane
107. Hydro Pump
108. Hyper Beam
109. Hyper Drill
110. Hypnosis
111. Ice Beam
112. Ice Shard
113. Inferno
114. Iron Defense
115. Iron Head
116. Iron Tail
117. Jet Punch
118. Kinesis
119. Kowtow Cleave
120. Leaf Storm
121. Leech Life
122. Leech Seed
123. Leer
124. Lick
125. Light Screen
126. Liquidation
127. Lock-On
128. Lovely Kiss
129. Low Kick
130. Low Sweep
131. Lumina Crash
132. Lunge
133. Magical Leaf
134. Magical Torque
135. Make It Rain
136. Mean Look
137. Mega Drain
138. Mega Horn
139. Memento
140. Metal Claw
141. Metal Sound
142. Mimic
143. Mirror Coat
144. Mist
145. Morning Sun
146. Mortal Spin
147. Mud Shot
148. Mud Slap
149. Mystical Fire
150. Nasty Plot
151. Night Shade
152. Night Slash
153. Noble Roar
154. Noxious Torque
155. Nuzzle
156. Outrage
157. Overheat
158. Pain Split
159. Parabolic Charge
160. Peck
161. Perish Song
162. Petal Dance
163. Pin Missile
164. Play Rough
165. Poison Fang
166. Poison Gas
167. Poison Jab
168. Poison Powder
169. Poison Sting
170. Powder Snow
171. Present
172. Protect
173. Psybeam
174. Psych Up
175. Psychic
176. Quick Attack
177. Quiver Dance
178. Rain Dance
179. Rapid Spin
180. Razor Leaf
181. Recover
182. Reflect
183. Rest
184. Reversal
185. Roar
186. Rock Blast
187. Rock Polish
188. Rock Slide
189. Rock Smash
190. Rock Throw
191. Rock Tomb
192. Rollout
193. Ruination
194. Safeguard
195. Sand Attack
196. Sand Tomb
197. Sandstorm
198. Scale Shot
199. Scary Face
200. Scratch
201. Screech
202. Seismic Toss
203. Selfdestruct
204. Shadow Ball
205. Shadow Claw
206. Shadow Punch
207. Shadow Sneak
208. Shed Tail
209. Sheer Cold
210. Shift Gear
211. Shock Wave
212. Sing
213. Skitter Smack
214. Slash
215. Sleep Talk
216. Sludge
217. Sludge Wave
218. Smog
219. Solar Beam
220. Spicy Extract
221. Spin Out
222. Spite
223. Spore
224. Stomp
225. Stone Edge
226. String Shot
227. Struggle
228. Struggle Bug
229. Stun Spore
230. Substitute
231. Sunny Day
232. Super Fang
233. SuperPower
234. Supersonic
235. Surf
236. Swagger
237. Sweet Kiss
238. Sweet Scent
239. Swords Dance
240. Synthesis
241. Tackle
242. Tail Whip
243. Take Down
244. Teleport
245. Thrash
246. Thunder
247. Thunder Bolt
248. Thunder Wave
249. Thundershock
250. Tickle
251. Tidy Up
252. Toxic
253. Transform
254. Tri-Attack (Thi should be the last entry.)
255. Triple Dive
256. Twin Beam
257. U-Turn
258. Vicegrip
259. Volt Switch
260. Water Gun
261. Water Pulse
262. Wave Crash
263. Whirlpool
264. Whirlwind
265. Wicked Torque
266. Will-O-Wisp
267. Wing Attack
268. Wish
269. Work Up
270. Wrap
271. Zap Cannon

Notably, I wonder if Headbutt is redundant with Stomp, Horn Attack, and Slash, if Torch Song is redundant with Fiery Dance, if Disarming Voice is redundant with Fairy Wind, if I should use Brutal Swing instead of Bite, and if I should use Force Palm instead of Circle Throw.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

Overall, I like Violet and hope Gen 9 builds on the potential that S/V brought. I will say though, this is the first generation where I boxed the starter I chose (Quaxly). I just don't like any of their final or middle evolved forms. The story was definitely an improvement (to some extent) over the last few gens and I really liked Nemona's character.

Now looking at some of the last un-used type combinations as of Gen 9, the two that stuck out to me was Fairy/Ground and Fairy/Fire. I'm kind of surprised that they still don't have either of those just yet.

 

[Mr. Bung]

Overall, I like Violet and hope Gen 9 builds on the potential that S/V brought. I will say though, this is the first generation where I boxed the starter I chose (Quaxly). I just don't like any of their final or middle evolved forms.

Fuecoco wins the award for the starter with the most pleasantly unexpected final evo ever in my opinion. It and Crocalor are goofy looking as hell but then you get Skeledridge which is an imposing looking giant on all fours.

I picked weed cat, but had I known about Skeledridge ahead of time I'd have probably picked the goofy looking motherfucker. I'd have kept my coincidental streak of choosing the fire starter since the 6th generation too.

I'd like to see Future versions of:

-Feraligatr
-Blastoise
-Victreebel
-Exeggutor
-Scolipede
-Crobat
-Yanmega
-Kabutops
-Dusknoir

As for Past Paradox forms, Dragapult is at the top of the wishlist.

A past and future version of Magikarp would be cool. Both would be about on par with Gyarados when it comes to overall power.

-Past: Typing is water and dragon. This would be the Magikarp that is referenced all the way back in its Red/Blue Pokedex entry as being stronger than its extant form. An aggressive fish that has features of both Magikarp and Gyarados. Powerful, but its traits are energy expensive and few survive to adulthood. Facing almost certain extinction, the species gradually undergoes changes and it is eventually able to thrive with much less nutritional intake and breed like crazy, at the expense of all its power. However, all the powerful traits it lost would be reborn as the evolution Gyarados in the select few Magikarp that are able to make it there.

-Future: Typing is water and steel. Most Magikarp remain weak through life as few are able to achieve their second evolution. A scientist with a fascination for Magikarp decided to remedy this by experimenting with the more intelligent Magikarp, encasing them in cybernetic metal suits on legs (think the walking fish in Jungi Ito's "Gyo") that allow them to quickly swim as well as walk/run and hop great heights on land. The suit also allows them all the moves Gyarados is able to use, and with about the same amount of power. Because of this, they are powerful enough that they can often beat Gyarados in a one-on-one fight. Overtime, the fish inside became fused with the cybernetic suit, becoming the future Magikarp. Its signature move would be a new form of the move Splash that causes a high amount of damage.

I thought of cool designs for them too. I wish I could draw, lol.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

So is Violet much better than Scarlet? Belly Drum Iron Hands is op as fuck.