Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Kier Starmer]

The Pokémon World Championship has been live for several hours now, and the stream has had several hiccups, and even game drops on-screen. I do wonder if these issues will get sorted out by tomorrow, or if TPCi is trying to one-up last year's DOTA 2 The International, for the worst production values in an E-Sports World Championship. Last year's TI did set the bar very high (or low in this case), in the sheer number of ways they screwed up the production.

I have it on in the background whilst I am studying and the vibe this year is so dower. There is no excitement at all and it kind of feels like a cope cast to be honest. The TCG has been in trouble for a year or two now for just being really predictable. There are a lot of older people this year too and it is so jarring seeing guys in their 30s play the TCG because of the aesthetic.

Apologies I am collecting my thoughts as I type and I think Pokemon is starting to get serious Disney Adult vibes.

 

[Down_the_what]

ftfy

I still think USUM the better game but it should have been at least a sequel or 3rd version rather than enhance ports.

Spoiler: Long Pokemon game rant

Alot say 3D killed Pokemon.

NO! THE JUMP TO HOME CONSOLE KILLED POKEMON!

Mainline Pokemon should have stay as handheld games.
With the end of the 3DS and the jump to console it really shows Game Freak lack the experience in making large scale console games ala Zelda or Pikmin 4.

Not only that it really show some of the cracks GF has while there still in handhelds, ( can't optimise , cutting some features , etc. ), blown full force with there console mainline games.

At least with there handhelds you can excuse some flaws due of being handhelds but with home consoles not so much.

Mainline Pokemon are one of those series that should've stay as handhelds only games not every games series are suited for home consoles.

With the 3DS gone the whole handheld games genre are either mobile games or ports of GBA/DS/3DS games to home console, PC and some mobile device.
I'm not counting Switch as a handheld since its home console first while the steam deck is just a way to play PC games on the go.
Both are not dedicated handhelds like the DS family lines.

If Nintendo create some successor for the 3DS then the mainline Pokemon will be at least decent.

There home console mainline games feel like there just badly ported 3DS games and it might be true all of them feel like GF was forcing it to be to be a home console game when they in reality there just badly optimised 3DS ports.

You can see in there GB, GBA, DS and even 3DS they know how to make proper mainline Pokemon even with the 3DS ones are slightly rough around but still decent but unlike with SWSH and SV.

Both SWSH and SV feel like it should have been in the 3DS, (or some successor to it), alot of there gameplay I watch feel like it should been better with 2 screens in mind some of the gym test in SV especially should be in 3DS.

GF should have stay in making handheld mainline pokemon games while the console one should been for spinoffs or those play different than the traditional mainline like LGPE and Legends.

TLDR: Mainline Pokemon should have stay in handhelds only.

 

[Archeops]

The Pokémon World Championship has been live for several hours now, and the stream has had several hiccups, and even game drops on-screen. I do wonder if these issues will get sorted out by tomorrow, or if TPCi is trying to one-up last year's DOTA 2 The International, for the worst production values in an E-Sports World Championship. Last year's TI did set the bar very high (or low in this case), in the sheer number of ways they screwed up the production.

I think it has to do with them hosting it outside of the US, I love seeing TPCi hosting their World Championships but the company's clearly not built to run it in Japan. I can't remember if they had any issues in London but I definitely remember TPCi having issues with Worlds when it was hosted in Vancouver back in 2013.

I have it on in the background whilst I am studying and the vibe this year is so dower. There is no excitement at all and it kind of feels like a cope cast to be honest. The TCG has been in trouble for a year or two now for just being really predictable. There are a lot of older people this year too and it is so jarring seeing guys in their 30s play the TCG because of the aesthetic.

Apologies I am collecting my thoughts as I type and I think Pokemon is starting to get serious Disney Adult vibes.

Seeing people in their 30s at Play! Pokémon events isn't new, I see people in that age group and older attending prereleases.

That said the way TPCi splits people into age groups (Juniors consist of players born on one year or later, Seniors consist of players born in the four years before the Juniors cut-off, and Masters consists of everyone else past the Seniors cut-off) is funky since it goes by year-of-birth and changes every season. The 2022-2023 season has Juniors consist of players born in 2010 or later, Seniors consist of people born between 2006-2009, and Masters consists of everyone born in 2005 or earlier.

 

[likeacrackado]

Damn I feel old now. I remember playing the TCG as a kid and thinking to myself that the people in the masters division were too old to be into Pokémon.

I'd feel like a complete manchild if I went alone to any irl events now. That's one less reason to buy any of the new shit and participate in multiplayer/online communities.

 

[Coelacanth]

Apologies I am collecting my thoughts as I type and I think Pokemon is starting to get serious Disney Adult vibes.

You know that's EXACTLY what I've begun thinking about Pokemon too. The uninteresting designs, the failure to innovate, the blatant disregard for quality, the god-like status their fanbase gives them and ESPECIALLY the emphasis on merch - it's all very uncanny right down to the mouse mascot that embodies the franchise.

 

[Archeops]

VGC players are throwing a shitfit and complaining about "accessibility" in the competitive scene due to people getting DQ'd at Worlds in pretty high numbers, most of the bans are due the players having genned Legendaries consisting of Pokémon like Landorus and Urshifu.

I'd feel like a complete manchild if I went alone to any events now. That's one less reason to buy any of the new shit and participate in multiplayer/online events.

To be honest if we're going by the average person's definition of "manchildren" (and womanchildren) then the Masters division is nothing but that.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

I was thinking of getting a lost origin booster box and ETB but will just hold off.
I did see obsidian flames but thought it was out already because of how many people got cards early. Charizard cards feel like a forced meme with how many con artists of all stripes and actual money launderers flock to them and didn’t care for the Charmander on the ETB.

You know that's EXACTLY what I've begun thinking about Pokemon too. The uninteresting designs, the failure to innovate, the blatant disregard for quality, the god-like status their fanbase gives them and ESPECIALLY the emphasis on merch - it's all very uncanny right down to the mouse mascot that embodies the franchise.

It's still disappointing how these games have such an emphasis on the concept of "friendship" yet expect you to throw all of them away forever when the next game shows up. Migration shouldn't be a postgame thing. Yeah they're "pixels on a screen" but if you enjoy battling with them once in a while who cares?

 

[Registration]

You know that's EXACTLY what I've begun thinking about Pokemon too. The uninteresting designs, the failure to innovate, the blatant disregard for quality, the god-like status their fanbase gives them and ESPECIALLY the emphasis on merch - it's all very uncanny right down to the mouse mascot that embodies the franchise.

I dont even think it is something new, for example, you have to be a giga autist or imense manchild to participate in speed running, shiny catch, and those stuff. If the fanbase subjects itself to make their time with a game as shit as possible to keep reseting for a shiny variant, of course the company will cater to these idiots.

 

[NerdShamer]

If the fanbase subjects itself to make their time with a game as shit as possible to keep reseting for a shiny variant

I personally find that to be absolutely hilarious. Along with the fact that people were showing off their (probably hacked) Lv 100 shinies with an impossible trade condition back when Sun & Moon was released

 

[Registration]

I personally find that to be absolutely hilarious. Along with the fact that people were showing off their (probably hacked) Lv 100 shinies with an impossible trade condition back when Sun & Moon was released

That is the thing, I thought there was some financial incentive to do it like selling them. It is quite common for people in shitty economics to get money by farming and trading itens for real money, then I remember that this can be easily hacked and sent to other games, so why do it? If they at least got money from doing this, it would make less retarded

 

[NerdShamer]

then I remember that this can be easily hacked and sent to other games, so why do it? If they at least got money from doing this, it would make less retarded

People just want to show off, I guess. But as far as money actually getting involved, I won't be surprised if that's actually going on and there's some gay drama going on with it

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

People just want to show off, I guess. But as far as money actually getting involved, I won't be surprised if that's actually going on and there's some gay drama going on with it

There were some Ebay listings about it I saw when looking for pokemon card singles. I do remember the spam of people wanting Arceus while flooding the GTN. Still managed to be the only game I've legit completed the pokedex. GLHF getting magmortar, electivire, golem, and gengar otherwise.

USUM blows the switch games out of the water in terms of quality. Yeah the constant story speedbumps were bullshit and hindered any exploration but it really shines in the postgame when that's gone.

 

[Coelacanth]

I dont even think it is something new, for example, you have to be a giga autist or imense manchild to participate in speed running, shiny catch, and those stuff. If the fanbase subjects itself to make their time with a game as shit as possible to keep reseting for a shiny variant, of course the company will cater to these idiots.

I personally find that to be absolutely hilarious. Along with the fact that people were showing off their (probably hacked) Lv 100 shinies with an impossible trade condition back when Sun & Moon was released

I've been hunting since Gen 3 and I can say that it wasn't always like this either. Every shiny hunter could agree that it was tedious, but that wasn't really what it was all about. It was more about getting together with other teens who just really wanted a shiny they happened to like and chatting. It was probably one of the most social parts of the fandom I've been a part of and I'd be lying if I said that hunting didn't actually teach me to exercise patience. It hurts to see what hunting has become, believe me.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Spoiler: Long Pokemon game rant

Alot say 3D killed Pokemon.

NO! THE JUMP TO HOME CONSOLE KILLED POKEMON!

Mainline Pokemon should have stay as handheld games.
With the end of the 3DS and the jump to console it really shows Game Freak lack the experience in making large scale console games ala Zelda or Pikmin 4.

Not only that it really show some of the cracks GF has while there still in handhelds, ( can't optimise , cutting some features , etc. ), blown full force with there console mainline games.

At least with there handhelds you can excuse some flaws due of being handhelds but with home consoles not so much.

Mainline Pokemon are one of those series that should've stay as handhelds only games not every games series are suited for home consoles.

With the 3DS gone the whole handheld games genre are either mobile games or ports of GBA/DS/3DS games to home console, PC and some mobile device.
I'm not counting Switch as a handheld since its home console first while the steam deck is just a way to play PC games on the go.
Both are not dedicated handhelds like the DS family lines.

If Nintendo create some successor for the 3DS then the mainline Pokemon will be at least decent.

There home console mainline games feel like there just badly ported 3DS games and it might be true all of them feel like GF was forcing it to be to be a home console game when they in reality there just badly optimised 3DS ports.

You can see in there GB, GBA, DS and even 3DS they know how to make proper mainline Pokemon even with the 3DS ones are slightly rough around but still decent but unlike with SWSH and SV.

Both SWSH and SV feel like it should have been in the 3DS, (or some successor to it), alot of there gameplay I watch feel like it should been better with 2 screens in mind some of the gym test in SV especially should be in 3DS.

GF should have stay in making handheld mainline pokemon games while the console one should been for spinoffs or those play different than the traditional mainline like LGPE and Legends.

TLDR: Mainline Pokemon should have stay in handhelds only.

A lot of th is just you repeating the same argument over and over again.

 

[Down_the_what]

@TheUltimateRamotith I just miss real handheld gaming

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

lol at the niggas seething over the new paradox mons. I realize this might come off as a hot take, but the legendary beast trio were always trash designs, just weird-ass cats/dogs with colored shit stuck to them.
I'm not as autistic about this franchise as some of the people ITT are, so I'm not gonna sit here and act like this direct and SV in general are LE END OF THE FRANCHISE... LE POKEMON COMPANY HAS FALLEN. They're fine games, even if they have undeniable issues of their own. And I will die on this hill, so fuck you.
That cartoon about the card game or whatever looks like visual AIDS though, idk what they were thinking with that

 

[Thiletonomics]

The Pokémon World Championship finished up the last of the VGC matches, and here are the winners for their games and respective divisions:

UNITE: Luminosity Gaming (US)

GO: ItsAXN (US)

TCG:

Juniors: Shao Tong Yen (TW)
Seniors: Gabriel Fernandez (BR)
Masters: Vance Kelley (US)

The TCG matches were all very exciting to see, even though I don't know a thing about the TCG.

VGC:

Juniors: Sora Ebisawa (JP)
Seniors: Tomoya Ogawa (JP)
Masters: Shohei Kimura (JP)

And Japan clean sweeps all three VGC divisions, in dominating fashion, and in their home country too.

Congratulations to our winners!

 

[Archeops]

I’ve done some more digging and the VGC DQs are happening in greater numbers due to TPCi doing storage box checks in addition to Battle Box checks (as opposed to only the latter being done) and hack checks seeing if any Pokémon that require a Home flag actually have ‘em.

So basically the bans are due to people not being smart about the PC storage and competitors using “Home-transferred” Pokémon that were actually injected into SV directly.

Some people are also considering not competing this coming season because of the harsher hack checks. There's only one way to describe the emotions I'm feeling in regards to that and it's in the form of this JonTron reaction...

The ending ceremony takes place in about 5 minutes, we'll see if anything new pops up then.

EDIT: Unite news appeared to be a recap of what was already revealed, TCG news revealed Paradox 'mons functioning in a similar manner to Team Plasma Pokémon (with Scarlet Paradox 'mons being labeled as Past Pokemon and Violet Paradox 'mons being labeled a Future Pokémon) coming in Paradox Rift and the return of ACE SPEC cards next year. Main game news included revealing that you can catch past starter Pokémon in The Indigo Disk, more information about Raging Bolt/Iron Crown, and teasing a new Tera Type that's more than likely associated with Terapagos. And finally next year's World Championships will be held in Honolulu people. And yes, people are pointing out the irony/tone-deafness of announcing this after the recent Maui wildfires. They also immediately announced that they'll be donating 200k to a Maui wildfire relief fund seconds after posting the location announcement on Twitter.

I was thinking of getting a lost origin booster box and ETB but will just hold off.
I did see obsidian flames but thought it was out already because of how many people got cards early. Charizard cards feel like a forced meme with how many con artists of all stripes and actual money launderers flock to them and didn’t care for the Charmander on the ETB.

Those early cards were from prereleases, so they were sold early in the technical sense.

As far as people not caring about he Charmander ETB it's in part due to Obsidian Flames being a doo-doo set in terms of competitive viability and somewhat mediocre in terms of collectability. You're better off waiting for 151 when it's released in September or Paradox Rift which drops in November.

The Pokémon World Championship finished up the last of the VGC matches, and here are the winners for their games and respective divisions:

UNITE: Luminosity Gaming (US)

GO: ItsAXN (US)

TCG:

Juniors: Shao Tong Yen (TW)
Seniors: Gabriel Fernandez (BR)
Masters: Vance Kelley (US)

The TCG matches were all very exciting to see, even though I don't know a thing about the TCG.

VGC:

Juniors: Sora Ebisawa (JP)
Seniors: Tomoya Ogawa (JP)
Masters: Shohei Kimura (JP)

And Japan clean sweeps all three VGC divisions, in dominating fashion, and in their home country too.

Congratulations to our winners!

The TCG deck that won Masters was Mew VMAX (a deck I genuinely thought wouldn't do well at Worlds), Seniors was won by Lugia VSTAR (with an Archeops as the winner's Active Pokemon too, but the win was obtained via smart scooping), while Juniors was one by Lost Box (a deck that's really annoying but requires a lot of smart plays to do well with it and to counter it).

 

[Executive Petrel]

The making of Paradox Raikou, lore-wise

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Are there any Pokémon games for the Switch worth picking up? I've got Pokken Tournament; I find it to be fun, personally. Are there any others that you guys might suggest?