Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Correct. Megas were an actually interesting gimmick with long-term potential. Z-moves are a transparently lazy and boring gimmick.
The most interesting part of Z-moves were the alternate effects that status moves were given. At least they took up an item slot, which is more than you can say about any later gimmick.
 
Z-Moves suffer from an implementation problem on top of everything else. Remember Light That Burns the Sky? The move that sucks all the light from the world and throws it in a Death Ball and causes the trainer to stagger backwards? That must be the most powerful move in the game, right? Nope! It's actually less powerful than picking up a Pikachu and throwing it at someone:
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It's not even the second most powerful move.
 
I mean, this formula could honestly work for Pokemon imo. At least when it comes to the exploration and adventure element, as it could bring back a sense of wonder to the series.
And replayability.

Pokemon has always benefited from the "and then play it again with a different team" advantage, adding alternate endings seems like a logical progression.
 
Correct. Megas were an actually interesting gimmick with long-term potential. Z-moves are a transparently lazy and boring gimmick.
They were just a way to sell you mewtwo and charizard again. Everyone of them could have been their own independent thing with balanced stats but weren't. Paradox forms are just megas yet again. And I would still rather have had the time and energy spent improving neglected lines. Not just temp alt forms we'll never seen again over and over.
 
Z-Moves suffer from an implementation problem on top of everything else. Remember Light That Burns the Sky? The move that sucks all the light from the world and throws it in a Death Ball and causes the trainer to stagger backwards? That must be the most powerful move in the game, right? Nope! It's actually less powerful than picking up a Pikachu and throwing it at someone:
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It's not even the second most powerful move.
Making Pikachu the "Mascot" pokemon was a mistake.

Snorlax i can let slide because he's a complete fatass that actually hits hard, but there's no excuse for any normal pokemon to surpass any legendary.
 
Making Pikachu the "Mascot" pokemon was a mistake.

Snorlax i can let slide because he's a complete fatass that actually hits hard, but there's no excuse for any normal pokemon to surpass any legendary.
Legendaries are a mistake. Everything revolves around them all the time and it's gay. They even fuck up casual battling as everyone wants to bring 6 legendaries and you want to use your fucking Delibird and Jynx cause you used them on your play through.
 
And I would still rather have had the time and energy spent improving neglected lines.
I agree, Megas were still a gimmick, they at least had some potential, unlike Z-moves.
Not just temp alt forms we'll never seen again over and over.
Well, that's why they had potential. I don't think people in 2013 were really expecting Megas would only meaningfully last for one generation.
 
I agree, Megas were still a gimmick, they at least had some potential, unlike Z-moves.

Well, that's why they had potential. I don't think people in 2013 were really expecting Megas would only meaningfully last for one generation.
I don't mean Megas, Although you're right there. I mean the evolutions like Sirfetch or the wooden voltorb line. There is no reason why sirfetch needs to be a regional thing. Just let it exist as an evo. Why the fuck is there a diglett with hair? Just make Diglett evolve into a steel type if it's holding a metal coat when it levels up. Raticate? If you level up holding a berry it becomes a fat fuck raticate. Zigzagoon evolves into the KISS version if it knows a sound attack after it's usual evolution level. But instead we have limited use pokemon nostalgia baiting. It's all so tiresome.
 
Legendaries are a mistake. Everything revolves around them all the time and it's gay. They even fuck up casual battling as everyone wants to bring 6 legendaries and you want to use your fucking Delibird and Jynx cause you used them on your play through.
It was cool in like Ruby and Sapphire where:
1) the "eco-terrorist faction tries to control legendary" plotline was new
2) the games text hyped up a confrontation with Groudon/Kyogre at the bottom of the Cave of Origin as a test of your strength and skill as a trainer
3) the other legendaries were basically locked behind braille instructions that you needed to master a one-way water puzzle to get to, or post-game and still hard to catch

After it just got repeated ad nauseum in every installment it got old quick.
 
It was cool in like Ruby and Sapphire where:
1) the "eco-terrorist faction tries to control legendary" plotline was new
2) the games text hyped up a confrontation with Groudon/Kyogre at the bottom of the Cave of Origin as a test of your strength and skill as a trainer
3) the other legendaries were basically locked behind braille instructions that you needed to master a one-way water puzzle to get to, or post-game and still hard to catch

After it just got repeated ad nauseum in every installment it got old quick.
I don't mind stuff like that because they felt part of the adventure and you had to "catch 'em all" by interacting with the world. The Regis or legendary birds never felt like they were untouchable gods. They were rewards for engaging with exploration. Then you look at the later legendaries and their stats are insane, they have broken abilities. The sword dog is just a massive fuck you to everything else in the game. Sorry you bought the wrong version you can't deal with one of the strongest sweepers ever made.
 
I don't mind stuff like that because they felt part of the adventure and you had to "catch 'em all" by interacting with the world. The Regis or legendary birds never felt like they were untouchable gods.
Honestly I forget sometimes the birds are actual legendaries and not just late game Kanto mons with a solo evolution line.
 
It was cool in like Ruby and Sapphire where:
1) the "eco-terrorist faction tries to control legendary" plotline was new
2) the games text hyped up a confrontation with Groudon/Kyogre at the bottom of the Cave of Origin as a test of your strength and skill as a trainer
3) the other legendaries were basically locked behind braille instructions that you needed to master a one-way water puzzle to get to, or post-game and still hard to catch

After it just got repeated ad nauseum in every installment it got old quick.
In the hack ideas that I posted, the legendaries (Groudon and Kyogre) have their importance but the main pokemon objective is related to Evolotto ability to evolve into whatever pokemon. The idea is that it is like clay and the other pokemon would be evolving into pokemon that can live anywhere.

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The idea could be done with Mew, but I would like to introduce the concept of a normal pokemon doing stuff like that instead of a legendary.

And I had ideas to take out Rayquaza out of the picture alongside Deoxys. The Hoenn Regi Trio can be used in other ways or just ignored. (I am partial to leave them to special trainers instead of leaving them in the wild).
And Latios and Latias can be roaming legendaries.

But most of the time I just think of them like entities that have power over their element to use in story sections, not gameplay wise. (I still think that it is a mistake that you can just go to sky pillar in emerald before going to elite 4 and capture Rayquaza)

There should be some npc blocking the way and just leave after you beat the league.
 
Sinnoh Legendaries were cool and captured the feel of what a Legendary Pokemon should be like perfectly. Black/White was the beginning of the end, you could tell they gave up on everything that wasn't Reshiram or Zekrom.
12 legendaries and 1 of them being a fragment of God is where it all went to shit. Box legendaries + Lake trio = Shaymin would have been fine. But you have multiple stupidly powerful legendaries there just because. And they're so powerful they define strong pokemon for generations to come. And they required special methods to catch in some cases.
 
I really hate how the Mythicals were impacted over time. At the start we had things like the ancestor of all Pokémon, a fairy-like being that could travel through time, an alien, and even the god of the Pokémon world itself. Then later on we get shit like...a literal fucking monkey and an evil little purple fruit that makes people do the chicken dance.
 
Bad news for Pokemon GO

Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Mewtwo Y:
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(The second picture is a rumor, but it seems to be very likely since I think you can calculate the final mega evolution cost for all Megas)

Starts with a cost of 7500 Mega Energy, then 150 energy per Mega Evolution on subsequent

Maximum Mega Energy Capacity is 5,0000

It's a Z-A Mega so if you want to remote raid you need to pay Link Cables + Remote Raid pass (don't bother unless you are truly desperate)

Likely no bonus Mega Energy for completing raids and still 450 energy per Mega Mewtwo raid

Only saving grace is if you catch a Mewtwo in GO Fest it will always have at least one Mega Level in


This is going to be borderline unplayable like Eternatus last year especially for old players/veterans.

(For context Eternatus in Pokemon GO requires 8960 XL to max the level of but the Max Battles only give like 50 to 90 candy XL and you can only stack a finite amount of Max Particles. There's a LOT of Eternatus Max battles but it doesn't matter. You also get only one so 96% of the chance it has bad IVs. It's some legitimate DSP "GAIS GIMME SUM SUPPORT" level cynical pay to win bullshit to the point where it has caused a gigantic crash out for around 2 days as massive as Scarlet and Violet or Pokemon Champion's release.)

And if you're wondering about Niantic and Scopely remember they can't get anything through without permission/enabling GameFreak, so if a P2W crashout happens remember GF is likely accountable too.

Note that no other Niantic-Scopely game has this issue, not that I am aware of at least, seems like ONLY Pokemon GO. Not even Monster Hunter, not even Pikmin.
It gets worse: There are all kinds of raids you may or may not do depending on what you need, and there's a good chance Scopley is going to screw this up.

Oh yeah, remember when everyone last year were all “I am done with Go because the Saudis bought it”… then slithered back not a week later.
It was predictable, those Go autists who spent years and years doing raids , community free shiny days and battling. There was simply no way they would just drop all this cheesy shit just because of a change in ownership that means nothing at the end.
Speaking of Splcopely, did something truly changed? Last I checked Niantic is still on charge

The only true negative consequence that took place was a separation between Niantic’s own games and the rest. For example, I used to play Ingress to build portals then this same data was reflected to Pokemon Go instantly. Sadly, since that Splcopely shit this can’t be done anymore
Or rather, now you have to do a double job everytime you want to create a portal in Ingress and a stop in Go.
Some of us were hoping it would be a little better under Scopely because Niantic stopped giving two shits about Go. This year has been pretty bad with events not working as intended, or there's really nothing to do. Nobody wanted a Lechock day including the people who liked Lechonk. I think Scopley is pretending that Dmax/Gmax content doesn't exist because there's been nothing out of Pikachu and Meowth (I heard the Meowth Gmax event was a nightmare to do).
 
Here is a recent intervew Gym Leader Ed id wi the developers of Lumentale, a game that is coming out within 2 days:
By the by, did others notice YouTube claiming tha th is going to be the next 'Pokémon killer', despite Lumentale being made by developers of a Pokémon fangame?
 
Some of us were hoping it would be a little better under Scopely because Niantic stopped giving two shits about Go. This year has been pretty bad with events not working as intended, or there's really nothing to do.
What event is not working as intended? If you mean Mega Falinks Raid day then it's a typical Niantic fumble. The all Pokemon available event is just a disaster because it is an intentional disaster.

The disaster is pretty much intentional.

I also suspect that at least 1 event which would had been otherwise a Pokemon Champions official rollout event but it was so bad and buggy that it triggered the same sort of backlash as Pokemon GO on a very bad day that GameFreak did not want anything to do with it.

Otherwise yeah things are absolutely boring since March and there were a couple new releases that I don't even bother grinding. There was also at least one Pokemon that is unobtainable out of 3 locations where nobody has ever had access of.

I think Scopley is pretending that Dmax/Gmax content doesn't exist because there's been nothing out of Pikachu and Meowth (I heard the Meowth Gmax event was a nightmare to do).

It's just the usual padding out releases to wait for the next Pokemon Legends or console game thing Niantic has been doing since covid. Meowth or Pikachu Gmax events (or ANY Gmax event) are nightmares if you are not in a large city.
 
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