Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[OddEyes]

Kinda funny how a "spin-off" like Let's Go! ended up having far fewer issues than the supposed "big love letter to the fans and first main-line entry on a home console" game

At least you know better now, never trust a company when they go full damage control

I was in the same boat. I rationalized LGPE as Game Freak's opportunity to get past some of the growing pains of moving from handheld to console and learn how to make something for the Switch. Yes, yet another bout of Kanto pandering was obnoxious but surely not having to create an entire new region, new characters, new plot, and new Pokemon would free them up to focus on programming and learning the ropes. It was the sacrifice necessary to make Sword and Shield the best they could possibly be. And if it got GO players into the core games, then I'd have more people at work to sperg out with.

I miss having hope like that.

I remember arguing (tooth and nail) with those kind of people talking about how I didn't want Pokemon to start going the way CoD did, slow slope into mediocrity, and now we're here. I guess the fanbase will have to learn a harsh lesson from this in the future. (They won't but I can dream.)

Pokemon fans have been buying the same copypasted games for over a decade and it took THIS for them to finally grow some common sense and stop buying it?

First off, I'd like to point out that there were interviews by the head honchos of GF that gave conflicting accounts on the mainline status of the let's go games. Honestly, I don't think it's right to get on the case of anyone who thought on either side with that.

Secondly, I love this mentality now.

Cause it's the same one - People bitching about past games when they come out, but then later act like they're the greatest games - It happened with Gen 5, and I'm seeing again with Let's go P/E, so I'd like to point out a lot of issues that People are forgetting about the let's go games:

-Removed held items and abilities yet somehow allows Megas

-Removed Wild Pokemon battles

-The ability to trade over your now PAID ONLINE SERVICE IN ADDITION TO ONLINE BATTLES!

-Increased the price $20 more than normal Pokémon games despite having half the content

-Only using the first 151 Pokemon plus a sneak preview of a game I don't believe actually exists

-Put a mythical Pokemon behind a $50 paywall and a glorified Pokewalker as opposed to a digital distribution

-Made the graphics WORSE than USUM (Subjectively of course, but if people are gonna tote their big fat onions around here as fact, I might as well too)

-Not improving on or fixing any problems from the plumper and more well-made remakes FRLG.

-Handholding worse than any other Pokémon game despite the fact that all Pokémon games are made for the same f***ing audience. Seriously, kids don't actually like being talked down to.

Thirdly, I have issues with a lot of the discussion about the rom going around, frankly, like I've shown, I am optimistic - Not due to me being a fan, but because I actually like to think like a developer and like to at least believe in some good in people - Even those who are in corporations - Because behind those huge concrete walls are still people with beating hearts (unless gamefreak isn't telling us something - Which, who knows? Maybe they found a way to hook up their developers up to life support and iv drips that keep them working well into the night).

Honestly, if someone was able to patch in codes into the game, and the game isn't even fully been dropped within... 2-3 days (?), then that should be a red flag right there. How do we know that the games haven't been hit with that?

Honestly, I may be optimistic, but I'm also a skeptical person as well. I'm skeptical about GameFreak's reaction, but I'm also skeptical of the claims being made. Especially by clout chasers.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but at the same time, people are willing to go above and beyond in order to piss people off, or to start a fire under people's asses. We've seen this before.

And finally, to talk about Nintendo holding back review copies - I actually can't blame them.

Yes, if what we've seen is 100% true, then yeah, it's bad. But by that same logic, I'd like to point out that most other gaming franchises aren't under the same obligation to reveal everything that's in the games beforehand. It'd be pretty devastating if a product of a large franchise was leaked out, or had everything ripped out of a game that's not officially released, it is a jarring experience.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised that this causes the Series to go completely digital only in order to get past this problem.

Like I said, gaming companies aren't really required to show everything off in a game, not only did people get pissed off when the Pokemon Company did that for Sun and Moon's dex in the months up to it's release, but what other franchise has fans that require to see EVERYTHING about a game before it's release?

I get it. I really do.

People want to make an informed business decision - Perfectly fine, but normally, that's what reviews are for - So let the schmuks buy the games so you don't have to.

Because like I said, I'm skeptical of all parties in this.

Go on, mark me with disagreement, call me dumb, I'm actually surprised in all the times I've commented saying that, not a single person has done so... but hey, I'd love to break that.

 

[Eekum Bokum]

I think mate people give Let's go a bit more leeway is because the devs were upfront with the features wheras GF said they cut so many pokemon to improve animations and models and while the models certianly do look better IE they don't have jagged edges because its on a more powerful system the models are still just the SM models and the animations are just the same so the anger comes from GF lying to the consumers.

I'm certain that if GF came out straight away and didn't give us a obviously bullshit reason people would be more leniant with SwSh

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

First off, I'd like to point out that there were interviews by the head honchos of GF that gave conflicting accounts on the mainline status of the let's go games. Honestly, I don't think it's right to get on the case of anyone who thought on either side with that.

Secondly, I love this mentality now.

Cause it's the same one - People bitching about past games when they come out, but then later act like they're the greatest games - It happened with Gen 5, and I'm seeing again with Let's go P/E, so I'd like to point out a lot of issues that People are forgetting about the let's go games:

-Removed held items and abilities yet somehow allows Megas

-Removed Wild Pokemon battles

-The ability to trade over your now PAID ONLINE SERVICE IN ADDITION TO ONLINE BATTLES!

-Increased the price $20 more than normal Pokémon games despite having half the content

-Only using the first 151 Pokemon plus a sneak preview of a game I don't believe actually exists

-Put a mythical Pokemon behind a $50 paywall and a glorified Pokewalker as opposed to a digital distribution

-Made the graphics WORSE than USUM (Subjectively of course, but if people are gonna tote their big fat onions around here as fact, I might as well too)

-Not improving on or fixing any problems from the plumper and more well-made remakes FRLG.

-Handholding worse than any other Pokémon game despite the fact that all Pokémon games are made for the same f***ing audience. Seriously, kids don't actually like being talked down to.

Thirdly, I have issues with a lot of the discussion about the rom going around, frankly, like I've shown, I am optimistic - Not due to me being a fan, but because I actually like to think like a developer and like to at least believe in some good in people - Even those who are in corporations - Because behind those huge concrete walls are still people with beating hearts (unless gamefreak isn't telling us something - Which, who knows? Maybe they found a way to hook up their developers up to life support and iv drips that keep them working well into the night).

Honestly, if someone was able to patch in codes into the game, and the game isn't even fully been dropped within... 2-3 days (?), then that should be a red flag right there. How do we know that the games haven't been hit with that?

Honestly, I may be optimistic, but I'm also a skeptical person as well. I'm skeptical about GameFreak's reaction, but I'm also skeptical of the claims being made. Especially by clout chasers.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but at the same time, people are willing to go above and beyond in order to piss people off, or to start a fire under people's asses. We've seen this before.

And finally, to talk about Nintendo holding back review copies - I actually can't blame them.

Yes, if what we've seen is 100% true, then yeah, it's bad. But by that same logic, I'd like to point out that most other gaming franchises aren't under the same obligation to reveal everything that's in the games beforehand. It'd be pretty devastating if a product of a large franchise was leaked out, or had everything ripped out of a game that's not officially released, it is a jarring experience.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised that this causes the Series to go completely digital only in order to get past this problem.

Like I said, gaming companies aren't really required to show everything off in a game, not only did people get pissed off when the Pokemon Company did that for Sun and Moon's dex in the months up to it's release, but what other franchise has fans that require to see EVERYTHING about a game before it's release?

I get it. I really do.

People want to make an informed business decision - Perfectly fine, but normally, that's what reviews are for - So let the schmuks buy the games so you don't have to.

Because like I said, I'm skeptical of all parties in this.

Go on, mark me with disagreement, call me dumb, I'm actually surprised in all the times I've commented saying that, not a single person has done so... but hey, I'd love to break that.

You're arguing as if everyone is a collective hive mind. People that complained about some aspects didn't complain about others, but many people thought PLGP/E would lead to a decline in quality and cut content/corners. Which to no one who is paying attentions surprise they did. Two: You're comparing new kids starting a gen, considering their first pokemon game as the best, but if you look at the viewed gens, for instance, XY are considered bad, because of bad post game. I didn't hate the gen, but I could understand why people weren't fond of it (Besides the small introduced amount of Pokemon per se)

I'd like to point out, it was always a possible slippery slope (which Shield and sword are proving to be) and that's why many of us were worried about no criticism from the fanbase and just swallowing it up. It's like gamers didn't learn from the CoD series, what happens when they avoid criticism of the series. Literally termed "the CoD effect" for that very reason. Spin-off or not, it made bank and influenced future mainline Pokemon games.

Leaked copies are nothing new, this isn't like people got part of the code, and the rest is just waiting to be implemented. This isn't my first rodeo with Pokemon leaks, I've been around for them since they first started getting majorly leaked (around third gen)...

Also in regards to people calling Pokemon let's go the best games? No. Literally the only people saying that are mainly causals or returning fans who haven't played since gen 1, or literally try hard Gen wunners as they are called. Most everyone else thought they were pretty bad due ot lack of content, and just being a cut corner version of Pokemon. They only went along with purchasing them because "Fan dedication loyalty" or something. I didn't buy them because I saw where they were heading the series. I'm not saying those who disagreed are evil or stupid, but damn if it hasn't led to a bad outcome for dedicated fans and others due to this concept.

Does it mean Sword and Shield are all bad? No. However, it's starting to go down that slope as described.

Also games are sent out to retailers weeks in advance. Most countries have mom and pop shops who get them before hand and more.

It's also unlikely that this is just parts of code kept back. Leaks have happened for generation and won't cause them to go all digital either. Otherwise they would have done that generations ago when leaks first started happening.

I'm not going to call you dumb, I just think you misunderstand the full spectrum of the argument. I'm kind of shortening it because I'm kind of busy, but I'd be willing to go more in-depth about it if you want a little later in this very topic.

 

[nonnewtonian]

Honestly, if someone was able to patch in codes into the game, and the game isn't even fully been dropped within... 2-3 days (?), then that should be a red flag right there. How do we know that the games haven't been hit with that?

Honestly, I may be optimistic, but I'm also a skeptical person as well. I'm skeptical about GameFreak's reaction, but I'm also skeptical of the claims being made. Especially by clout chasers.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but at the same time, people are willing to go above and beyond in order to piss people off, or to start a fire under people's asses. We've seen this before.

Please tell me you're not trying to claim all the games' issues, the 1990's animation and the unbalanced gameplay and the Wii era textures and the sound glitches and the pop ins and the low draw distance and the improper scaling and the identical models Game Freak lied about and numerous other problems, are the work of some 1337 hacker who shat out some supercode to fuck the game and troll everyone.
Because that's not skepticism, that's desperation.

 

[Gamepad]

Welp, someone posted this on Discord.
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It doesn't change your DNS settings. The guy who started that rumor is a wife beater who created the Incognito homebrew and funnels people into using it.

 

[OddEyes]

Please tell me you're not trying to claim all the games' issues, the 1990's animation and the unbalanced gameplay and the Wii era textures and the sound glitches and the pop ins and the low draw distance and the improper scaling and the identical models Game Freak lied about and numerous other problems, are the work of some 1337 hacker who shat out some supercode to fuck the game and troll everyone.
Because that's not skepticism, that's desperation.

No I'm not. Don't put words in my mouth.

I outright say in my post that I'm skeptical of GF, and I've even criticized them in this very thread. Again, how dare I be skeptical of ALL sides in this.

When did I ever denounce the claims? I've even outright agreed with the criticisms in this thread. For someone who's willing to call for desperation, you're reaching as well.

I'm not going to call you dumb, I just think you misunderstand the full spectrum of the argument. I'm kind of shortening it because I'm kind of busy, but I'd be willing to go more in-depth about it if you want a little later in this very topic.

I was speaking in general terms, kinda like what I've been doing on this thread.

I'm well aware why people are upset, and I outright said I'm being optimistic.

 

[Samoyed]

And finally, to talk about Nintendo holding back review copies - I actually can't blame them.

bruh

When the game is already leaked and you can just download it on an emulator, it just makes it worse for Nintendo to hold review copies that are just digital codes. All it does is postpone reviews that some people actually depend on when launch date comes around.

I love Nintendo and all, but they are in the wrong with this. GF needs to be dropped and a new developer needs to take the wheel.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

No I'm not. Don't put words in my mouth.

I outright say in my post that I'm skeptical of GF, and I've even criticized them in this very thread. Again, how dare I be skeptical of ALL sides in this.

When did I ever denounce the claims? I've even outright agreed with the criticisms in this thread. For someone who's willing to call for desperation, you're reaching as well.



I was speaking in general terms, kinda like what I've been doing on this thread.

I'm well aware why people are upset, and I outright said I'm being optimistic.

When I said not understanding the full spectrum, I meant the other arguments such as on the complaint concept. Not that you didn't understand the complaints for Sword and Shield, I was also referencing the comment in regards to the coding or not fully complete concept.

Being optimistic can mean many things, but the truth be told as the tweet says Game freak did lie about quite a bit of their claims for why they cut content. Instead of adding more developers to work on it or game designers they just cut corners. Not that the game is all bad, but it's still a pretty big shitshow.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Nintendo probably wouldn't bother replacing Gamefreak with another developer. Pokemon would just go fully mobile IOS/Android and console games would cease to exist.

 

[HiddenFist]

Nintendo probably wouldn't bother replacing Gamefreak with another developer. Pokemon would just go fully mobile IOS/Android and console games would cease to exist.

The fanbase would literally try to burn down their headquarters if they announced that.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The fanbase would literally try to burn down their headquarters if they announced that.

If the fanbase was going to burn anything down it would have happened already.

Many people have kept pokemon from the original GBA carts and transferred them into each new generation.

I have Pokemon that were Toysrus Promotions with the original owner listed as ToysRus, they ain't around anymore that shit is unique and special.

 

[Etrian Autistry]

If the fanbase was going to burn anything down it would have happened already.

Many people have kept pokemon from the original GBA carts and transferred them into each new generation.

I have Pokemon that were Toysrus Promotions with the original owner listed as ToysRus, they ain't around anymore that shit is unique and special.

I still have my little Toys'R'Us Mew that I got back in gen 3, fuck fam

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Nintendo probably wouldn't bother replacing Gamefreak with another developer. Pokemon would just go fully mobile IOS/Android and console games would cease to exist.

That might have been the intent from the start. Just they didn't expect people to actually support the game even with a fast decline or pushing things that would anger most of the dedicated fanbase. The problem is the casual base will buy it with little qualm, and thus if their intent (whichever part of Nintendo/etc. if this was their intent to push this) failed to take that into account if they're trying to kill the console/portable part of the series to go mainstay mobile. Especially when many game companies understand mobile is a hot seller, it's why Konami wasn't so hard pressed to stop producing many AAA titles under themselves to push for more mobile games, and Pachinko machines.

 

[Cromagnon]

The most satisfying part of this has been watching the verified YouTubers and twitch streamers either go completely silent, or try and defend this trash fire.

Go outside, mates.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

Honestly, if someone was able to patch in codes into the game, and the game isn't even fully been dropped within... 2-3 days (?), then that should be a red flag right there. How do we know that the games haven't been hit with that?

There’s just a sysmodule you can run on modded switches that effectively gives you an unlimited and very powerful software gameshark. The 3ds had the same thing. Aside from that most big games running off one of a handful of common middlewares makes dissection much easier than it used to be.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Nintendo probably wouldn't bother replacing Gamefreak with another developer. Pokemon would just go fully mobile IOS/Android and console games would cease to exist.

If the fanbase was going to burn anything down it would have happened already.

Many people have kept pokemon from the original GBA carts and transferred them into each new generation.

I have Pokemon that were Toysrus Promotions with the original owner listed as ToysRus, they ain't around anymore that shit is unique and special.

Eh, I feel you're being too pessimistic in believing that to be a possiblity.

 

[Rotollo]

Yeah, I think the games leaking was so this situation couldn't happen, I have no idea how Nintendo had no plan for this even with GF's shitty PR. That's probably why the launch event was canned because they knew if they had access to the games files like this it would come out before release date.
I'm mostly suprised they didn't have a boiler plate PR responce to this or anything

The most satisfying part of this has been watching the verified YouTubers and twitch streamers either go completely silent, or try and defend this trash fire.

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It seems like the shills are weirdied out about being in a minority of discussion now, interesting PR shit shows though.

 

[Samoyed]

Posting this here. Someone with insider information is explaining how GF will try and cover their asses:

 

[OddEyes]

Yeah, I think the games leaking was so this situation couldn't happen, I have no idea how Nintendo had no plan for this even with GF's shitty PR. That's probably why the launch event was canned because they knew if they had access to the games files like this it would come out before release date.
I'm mostly suprised they didn't have a boiler plate PR responce to this or anything

It seems like the shills are weirdied out about being in a minority of discussion now, interesting PR shit shows though.

We have to remember that this is a Japanese based company, not to sound racist or anything, but Japanese companies have a tendency not to care what their english speaking consumers think. And I know someone's gonna point out how the Japanese consumer base is acting, but we also need to remember how GF/Nintendo/PKMC have been acting so far.

Granted, I'm the optimist here, but what we're looking at here is a bunch of people trying to hide from fallout using a refrigerator to have it blow over.

Honestly, at this point, best case scenario here?

This is a wake up call to all the companies involved in this. This is a legacy franchise at the moment, and while it hasn't gone the way of Star Wars (gonna expect some disagreement there), this is a dip in quality ever since the franchise moved to 3d for the mainline games.

What should be done is a total restructuring of Game Freak/TPKMC - And I'm not normally one to advocate that someone lose their job, but after a botched up job like this, someone needs to be fired. Granted, I'm not saying the developers or programmers, at least not until more info's out - Granted I think Junichi Masuda should step down (or forced) from his position of designer/director, and whoever decided to push the COD mindset onto pokemon.

On a side note, and a general question on design:

What would you guys expect a pokemon based on a Harpie to look like?

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

What would you guys expect a pokemon based on a Harpie to look like?

Semi-Humanoid with more emphasis on the Avian features.

With first stage looking something this:

And a final evolution looking something like this: