Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[UntimelyDhelmise]

Something's been bothering me about the Wild Area's weather system for quite a while, and it finally hit me.

Why didn't they bring back Unova's seasons mechanic for this? It would've been perfect. About the only thing I'd change is make the seasons change weekly in real time instead of monthly due to how many time-sensitive mons would be involved. Would've made more aesthetic sense than the "dynamic" system we have now where you can trudge through a blizzard and then two steps later end up in sweltering sunshine.

 

[Rotollo]

Something's been bothering me about the Wild Area's weather system for quite a while, and it finally hit me.

Why didn't they bring back Unova's season system for this? It would've been perfect. About the only thing I'd change is make the seasons change weekly in real time instead of monthly due to how many time-sensitive mons would be involved. Would've made more aesthetic sense than trudging through a blizzard and then taking two more steps and suddenly you're in sweltering sunshine.

Because removing features and abandoning them forever until remakes is as second nature to game freak as walking at this point

 

[Marissa Moira]

When people die, they become the Yamask, which then evolve into people-eating sarcophagus. I'm sure someone like Jeffery Dahmer would be ecstatic to become reincarnated as a Pokémon that'll go on to eat people.

Are there Ghostbusters in the Pokemon Universe? I mean at the very least there should be a generic trainer type based on Ghostbusters. Would certainly give people someone to ship Hex Maniac with.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Are there Ghostbusters in the Pokemon Universe? I mean at the very least there should be a generic trainer type based on Ghostbusters. Would certainly give people someone to ship Hex Maniac with.

The Channeler, Medium, and Sage trainer classes are the closest I can think of.

 

[Hideous K]

https://nintendosoup.com/game-freak-removes-creatures-inc-from-list-of-major-business-partners/
did they think they will continue making pokemon without help? I beg the differ

 

[Rotollo]

https://nintendosoup.com/game-freak-removes-creatures-inc-from-list-of-major-business-partners/
did they think they will continue making pokemon without help?

its probably just Nintendo absorbing creatures or some shit since they own some of the company already

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

https://nintendosoup.com/game-freak-removes-creatures-inc-from-list-of-major-business-partners/
did they think they will continue making pokemon without help? I beg the differ

its probably just Nintendo absorbing creatures or some shit since they own some of the company already

Curious how this happened shortly after SWSH came out. Regardless of what exactly is going on, it's a good probability that the game's controversial status is causing some internal stirrings. What that means for the future remains to be seen.

 

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Curious how this happened shortly after SWSH came out. Regardless of what exactly is going on, it's a good probability that the game's controversial status is causing some internal stirrings. What that means for the future remains to be seen.

If it is, that’s probably a good thing. Even as someone who had a good time with the game, seeing the journos go all ‘hah, it still sold well, take that incels’ left a bad taste in my mouth. Franchises have inertia, and anyone expecting Sw/Sh to fail hard was a twit, but that doesn’t mean following on with the current path blindly is a good idea.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

If it is, that’s probably a good thing. Even as someone who had a good time with the game, seeing the journos go all ‘hah, it still sold well, take that incels’ left a bad taste in my mouth. Franchises have inertia, and anyone expecting Sw/Sh to fail hard was a twit, but that doesn’t mean following on with the current path blindly is a good idea.

I liken SWSH to a less extreme The Last Jedi. Critics and the general populace liked it initially, but perceptions turned increasingly negative over time to the point where it affected future releases (I say less extreme however due to the rampant in-fighting even among dedicated fans, but you know, as you do). Point I'm trying to make is, SWSH may have done well, but the wounds it caused to the IP's reputation will be felt in time if this trend of declining overall quality continues.

Which is why I think the theory that Nintendo's buying out Creatures may hold merit. A power move to gain more control over the direction and quality assurance of the main series. Other companies like EA and Bethesda may be fine with their name being dragged through the mud, but Nintendo prides itself on the renowned quality of its AAA titles, so one of their main 3 pillars faltering like this possibly spurred them into action one way or another.

 

[Disc]

I liken SWSH to a less extreme The Last Jedi. Critics and the general populace liked it initially, but perceptions turned increasingly negative over time to the point where it affected future releases (I say less extreme however due to the rampant in-fighting even among dedicated fans, but you know, as you do). Point I'm trying to make is, SWSH may have done well, but the wounds it caused to the IP's reputation will be felt in time if this trend of declining overall quality continues.

Which is why I think the theory that Nintendo's buying out Creatures may hold merit. A power move to gain more control over the direction and quality assurance of the main series. Other companies like EA and Bethesda may be fine with their name being dragged through the mud, but Nintendo prides itself on the renowned quality of its AAA titles, so one of their main 3 pillars faltering like this possibly spurred them into action one way or another.

Oh, I don’t think it’s THAT bad. It’s not like it killed Cynthia in the background of a scene, then claimed the only people who’d hate it are fanboys.

There’s some great Pokémon designs in it, the crowd cheering makes for hype gym battles, the den battles are a great middleground between the suffering of the tower and the normal area, Ultra shinies are a great way to have shinies be more accessible and give the hardcore players something extra special to shoot for.

Heart went into this game. But not enough time or money. Which I feel is kinda the exact opposite of TLJs problem, which was a large budget given to someone with contempt for the franchise he was supposedly continuing.

Do agree with you on the buyout thing. Even if the reduced dexes continue, they need to give the developers the time to make a good Frontier, at least.

 

[Archeops]

https://nintendosoup.com/game-freak-removes-creatures-inc-from-list-of-major-business-partners/
did they think they will continue making pokemon without help? I beg the differ

>Citing NintendoSoup
Take anything said there with a BIG grain of salt, they're known for making clickbait articles based off of false information.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

I did some rough calculations. If we go by a hypothetical Sinnoh remake and the mons it would add via the base dex, and include missing fossils, starters and the legendaries/mythicals not included among the extra 35 of SWSH's dex (all three categories let you collect the rest naturally during post-game for the second set of games of a gen which is why I include them here), there would be less than 250 mons still missing.

At that point it would be a minimal amount of effort to just throw them all back in for the easy PR play of "listening to the fans" and bringing everyone back if they truly wanted to get back into everyone's good graces on the matter, short of patching SWSH to do as such (which we know they won't do when they can charge another $60 for the same outcome with next year's game).

 

[SnowBall]

I like to browse /vp/ because of all the speds on it but at the same time I feel like I am having a stroke just doing so. I don’t get why they get pissed about gen V. I thought the place was full of Unovabortionists? Yet again I see people getting mad that gen v is getting a lot of praise lately. Same thing with gen iv.

 

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I did some rough calculations. If we go by a hypothetical Sinnoh remake and the mons it would add via the base dex, and include missing fossils, starters and the legendaries/mythicals not included among the extra 35 of SWSH's dex (all three categories let you collect the rest naturally during post-game for the second set of games of a gen which is why I include them here), there would be less than 250 mons still missing.

At that point it would be a minimal amount of effort to just throw them all back in for the easy PR play of "listening to the fans" and bringing everyone back if they truly wanted to get back into everyone's good graces on the matter, short of patching SWSH to do as such (which we know they won't do when they can charge another $60 for the same outcome with next year's game).

I’m torn between “stick to your guns, you’ll only get reamed harder if you have to roll it back later” and “you can’t not have all Pokémon in when we hit 1000 of the feckers, which will probably be on switch”.

Huh. Something new has just emerged.

Temtem appears to be an MMO creature collecting game, with a lot of holding its finger under its nose and saying "I'm not pokemon! Pokemon doesn't have a mustache!"

With that said, it looks like it's taking this seriously, and aping the parts of Pokemon's design that help it stand out from the crowd of other monster collectors.

• A large collection of types - in this case, 12 - with different strengths and weaknesses that aren't just a basic loop. And TemTems can be dual-typed, as well.
• A set of 7 stats, 6 of which you'll recognize and one you won't - it seems that rather than PP, Temtem has a unified stamina mechanic.
• A focus on double battles (strong Gamecube game vibes there).
• Single Values (IVs) that go from 0 to 50, and Training Values (EVs) that can be 500 per stat, 1000 total.
• Temtem following you.
• 'Luma' Temtem (shinies) have three maxed IVs SVs by default.
• It's doing the Psychic - Dark - Fighting starters thing, although the types in question are 'Mental', 'Crystal' and 'Melee'

I'm not sure about how many TemTem there are - the highest number Temtem I could find was #191 - but it seems to be planning to introduce more incrementally.

Wiki Here.

Kickstarter Here.

I don't know if it's gonna be the Pokemon killer - seems a bit slower and grindier (eggs take nearly half an hour to get, for example). But that doesn't mean I ain't gonna try it when the early access drops.

 

[SnowBall]

I highly doubt it will be a Pokemon killer due to being an mmorpg. Also a lot of people want a monster collecting game that goes beyond the basic Pokemon formula, which this game is aping outright.

 

[Jinmen]

I like to browse /vp/ because of all the speds on it but at the same time I feel like I am having a stroke just doing so. I don’t get why they get pissed about gen V. I thought the place was full of Unovabortionists? Yet again I see people getting mad that gen v is getting a lot of praise lately. Same thing with gen iv.

Gen V is great, fuck the contrarians on /vp/.

 

[OddEyes]

I liken SWSH to a less extreme The Last Jedi. Critics and the general populace liked it initially, but perceptions turned increasingly negative over time to the point where it affected future releases (I say less extreme however due to the rampant in-fighting even among dedicated fans, but you know, as you do). Point I'm trying to make is, SWSH may have done well, but the wounds it caused to the IP's reputation will be felt in time if this trend of declining overall quality continues.

Eh... I disagree with that a lot.

While the effect is similar, the Last Jedi had a lot more problems that aren't really present in SWSH, if anything SWSH isn't actively malicious towards it's fanbase - (talking more general of modern day SW) didn't push gender politics, didn't pass itself off as the greatest thing since sliced bread, didn't actively contradict previous lore, wasn't burned into the ground by people who don't actually have any experience in it.

the Last Jedi (hell current star wars in general) had a lot more issues that aren't really present in the PKM games. At least pkm fans haven't been called sexist for disliking the games. The games actually work, yeah, they are pretty barebones, not going to deny that, but they're not nearly as offensive as the Star Wars movies and the people who are a part of that sinking ship are.

Also... Uh... general populace liked the Last Jedi?

What rock were you under? The movie was heavily panned by fans and people all the time, hell, I could point to people like Mauler, E;R, and several other critics panned the movie.

I'm wondering if you're referring to the Force Awakens, that's the more favored of Disney star wars.

Gen V is great, fuck the contrarians on /vp/.

HARD AGREE.

Huh. Something new has just emerged.

Temtem appears to be an MMO creature collecting game, with a lot of holding its finger under its nose and saying "I'm not pokemon! Pokemon doesn't have a mustache!"

With that said, it looks like it's taking this seriously, and aping the parts of Pokemon's design that help it stand out from the crowd of other monster collectors.

• A large collection of types - in this case, 12 - with different strengths and weaknesses that aren't just a basic loop. And TemTems can be dual-typed, as well.
• A set of 7 stats, 6 of which you'll recognize and one you won't - it seems that rather than PP, Temtem has a unified stamina mechanic.
• A focus on double battles (strong Gamecube game vibes there).
• Single Values (IVs) that go from 0 to 50, and Training Values (EVs) that can be 500 per stat, 1000 total.
• Temtem following you.
• 'Luma' Temtem (shinies) have three maxed IVs SVs by default.
• It's doing the Psychic - Dark - Fighting starters thing, although the types in question are 'Mental', 'Crystal' and 'Melee'

I'm not sure about how many TemTem there are - the highest number Temtem I could find was #191 - but it seems to be planning to introduce more incrementally.

Wiki Here.

Kickstarter Here.

I don't know if it's gonna be the Pokemon killer - seems a bit slower and grindier (eggs take nearly half an hour to get, for example). But that doesn't mean I ain't gonna try it when the early access drops.

Sorry for the double post, but I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING IN THAT TEM TEM TRAILER.

Like... Is the artist who made this fake pokemon a part of the team?

Cause if not... Well...

Edit; Nevermind:

Temtem on Twitter

“@SuperDrZayas @IGN Yes, we bought the rights from him :)”

twitter.com

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

Sorry for the double post, but I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING IN THAT TEM TEM TRAILER.

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Like... Is the artist who made this fake pokemon a part of the team?

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Cause if not... Well...

Edit; Nevermind:

Temtem on Twitter

“@SuperDrZayas @IGN Yes, we bought the rights from him :)”

twitter.com

Huh, interesting. If there are more cases like this it's certainly a novel way of filling out the TemtemDex or whatever they call it.

 

[Disc]

Huh, interesting. If there are more cases like this it's certainly a novel way of filling out the TemtemDex or whatever they call it.

With that said, it further convinces me that TemTem is leaning on 'the Pokémon that FANS want!!!1!' angle VERY HARD. Probably the right time to do it, if ever, but I'm getting strong PSASBR vibes from this whole thing.

 

[OddEyes]

Huh, interesting. If there are more cases like this it's certainly a novel way of filling out the TemtemDex or whatever they call it.

With that said, it further convinces me that TemTem is leaning on 'the Pokémon that FANS want!!!1!' angle VERY HARD. Probably the right time to do it, if ever, but I'm getting strong PSASBR vibes from this whole thing.

I dunno, if you ask me, the design seems to stick out too much - Like, the design looks like a 3d pokemon.

I mean, it's down to consistency to me. Like, the creatures don't look like they had a lead artist.

I think buying ideas from people who make fan pokemon is a pretty neat idea, but I think they should have like a lead artist at least attempt to have an art style that is at least cohesive