EU Poland doesn’t want Ukraine to join the EU, and neither do other subsidized EU states

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Since late 2013, when the Ukraine crisis first erupted, the British government has insisted that we need to support Ukrainian people in making a ‘European choice’.

Setting aside the irony that the UK chose to leave the EU in 2016, many Brits might still consider it a good choice. I’m pro-European, possibly because I grew up in Germany during the height of the cold war, the son of a working-class British soldier. In my view, Britain gained considerable economic, social and cultural benefit, as a sovereign nation, within a wider peaceable European community of five hundred million people.

What has never been clear to me is why, in ‘choosing’ Europe, Ukraine should cut its ties with Russia. When Britain joined the European Economic Community in 1971, our country was not asked to cut off our relationship with the USA. We could be friends with Europeans and Americans.

I don’t think most people in Ukraine, whether they are native Ukrainian or Russian speakers, would have chosen to lose half a million men and women to death or injury in a war with Russia. Or twenty percent of their land, or seventy percent of their power generation and most of their heating during bitterly cold winters. Or for the Ukrainian economy to be smaller than it was in 2008 and unlikely to return to pre-war levels until after 2030.

At the heart of this so-called European choice is a simple, unavoidable reality.

Ukraine is too poor to join Europe on equal terms. Yet western leaders continue to press Ukraine to choose Europe and not Russia or, indeed, a balanced relationship with both (even better).

In theory at least, there are good economic reasons why Ukraine might want to join the EU because it is significantly poorer than European member states. If Ukraine could match European economic development, it would undoubtedly be a good thing, you’d think.

The problem is that the EU project is built on the rich countries subsidizing the poorer countries (and, actually, subsidizing some of the richer countries too).

When only poor countries join the EU, the system needs to create more money to subsidize them, which means the rich countries pay even more to keep the club together. That’s one reason, as well as geography, that you don’t find rich countries queuing up to join the EU. If they did, the balancing effect would make it easier for poor countries like Ukraine to join.

Ukrainian membership of the EU would throw everything into the air and inevitably force some countries that currently benefit from EU funding, to start paying in. Ukraine’s size and fecundity is its economic curse, when it comes to Europe. With a large, well-educated, pre-war population of forty-one million people, Ukraine would become Europe’s fourth largest country. It would have by far the largest area of agricultural land, which is also the most fertile in Europe, and account for over twenty percent of EU farmland. The Financial Times assessed in 2023 that it would cost the EU €196bn to bring Ukraine into the EU, on the same terms as other Member countries. That’s because Ukraine is so much poorer than the rest of the EU, with income just 13% of the EU average. Size matters when it comes to EU funding; the poorer you are, the more you get. Which seems fair.

Unfortunately, that money would have to come out of the pockets of richer EU countries, actually, every EU country. Czechia, Estonia, Lithuania, Malta, Slovenia and Cyprus would between them lose around €11.2bn each year in cohesion funding alone if Ukraine joined on the current arrangement. Across the board, EU farmers would see twenty percent cuts in income from agricultural subsidies.

The violent demonstrations by Polish farmers in March 2024 at the flood of cheap Ukrainian grain imports, would pale in comparison to unrest across the whole of the EU, should open access be granted to Ukraine’s farms. That’s why, just weeks after war in Ukraine started, French President Macron said that it would ‘take decades’ for Ukraine to join the EU; he understands precisely the social upheaval that would erupt among French farmers, by far the largest recipient of Common Agricultural Policy funds, at the prospect of big cuts to their incomes.

While affluent Britain was an EU member, the issue of our net contributions to the European budget bedevilled a succession of governments until Brexit was forced upon us. It is my view that Ukrainian membership of the EU would stoke support for nationalist parties like the National Rally in France, Alternative für Deutschland and Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht in Germany, not to mention the Law and Justice Party in Poland and elsewhere.

So, Ukraine’s EU membership pathway (much like its NATO membership aspiration), is a big can of worms that is routinely kicked down the road by European states. Perhaps the biggest roadblock, ironically, would be Poland, one of the most steadfast countries in providing support to Ukraine since the war started. Poland’s economy has boomed since it joined the EU in 2004.

Like Ukraine, Poland is big, and bountiful, yet its population is smaller than Ukraine’s by around 5 million and it possesses just a third of the agricultural land. Its income is below the EU average yet still five times higher than Ukraine’s. Poland receives by far the largest payouts from the EU in the form of grants and agricultural subsidies of around €16bn each year. Of this, Poland receives so much EU cohesion funding (almost €11bn each year) that it soaks up a quarter of the total, way ahead of its closest rivals Czechia and Romania.

Poland would lose most of its EU funding if Ukraine joined the EU and may even creep into net-contributor territory. Poland would literally be paying for Ukraine to join the EU. Little wonder Poland’s war-hungry Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski was so keen for Ukraine to keep fighting Russia, long after it became obvious that Ukraine could not win. Poland doesn’t want Ukraine to join the EU and neither do other heavily subsidised EU Member States.
 
behold, the EU, the quintessential problem with globalism.
People join communal arrangements because they want some benefit from it, either money or power. but EU's calcified, and now people generally stand to lose one or the other (at least) if another group joins.

You can't soft takeover the world. You can bring it to violent heel, vassalise various states, and eventually get them to the point where they're better off than they started, but you can't just keep opening your door to 'equal partners' right from the ghetto before you eventually create a situation where everyone loses when you try to grow.
 
behold, the EU, the quintessential problem with globalism.
People join communal arrangements because they want some benefit from it, either money or power. but EU's calcified, and now people generally stand to lose one or the other (at least) if another group joins.
A lot of Science fiction settings with a collapse EU used this scenario to explain the crash. Even call of duty black ops 3.
 
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behold, the EU, the quintessential problem with globalism.
People join communal arrangements because they want some benefit from it, either money or power. but EU's calcified, and now people generally stand to lose one or the other (at least) if another group joins.

You can't soft takeover the world. You can bring it to violent heel, vassalise various states, and eventually get them to the point where they're better off than they started, but you can't just keep opening your door to 'equal partners' right from the ghetto before you eventually create a situation where everyone loses when you try to grow.
The problem isn't that Ukraine is a new country trying to join. Croatia got in fine not that long ago and Montenegro will soon to.
The problem is that Ukraine is a bombed out shithole that even before the war was the poorest nation in Europe and has territorial disputes with all their neighbors and also tried to erase the culture of everyone not Ukranian not that long ago. Ukraine is more poor now than any EU member ever was in relation to the average.
 
The problem isn't that Ukraine is a new country trying to join. Croatia got in fine not that long ago and Montenegro will soon to.
The problem is that Ukraine is a bombed out shithole that even before the war was the poorest nation in Europe and has territorial disputes with all their neighbors and also tried to erase the culture of everyone not Ukranian not that long ago. Ukraine is more poor now than any EU member ever was in relation to the average.
I don't know dude, heatd Ukrainian economy is booming.
 
None of the kuntries that joined EU (or Common Market, or EEC, previous incarnations, etc..) joined on equal terms. The founding members were not on equal terms. What is this "equal terms" BS?

UK joined as a relatively wealthy kuntry, that wanted trade, and did not want to become a vassal state. At the same time Ireland joined, as a basket case, and started receiving funds, for new motorways, and remains, happy to be ordered around by Brussels.

A9 and A2. They all joined to be recipients.

Ireland is now a contributor. Thanks to International Gov-Sanctioned Creative Taxation, Ireland looks wealthy ...at least on a spreadsheet...

If Yookranium were to accede, Malta, Cyprus, Baltic States, Slovenia, Slovakia., and some other bastards....can all move up the totem pole and become contributors.....and they can start paying for their poorer neighbours, just as Germany France UK paid for them for fukn decades. Is it a Ponzi scheme....or get rich slowly scheme...or a Join Our Empire Scheme? It's not perfect....but it has worked, since EU is constantly enlarging (just ignore BregZit hiccup, Terf Island just being very difficult, as usual)......

There will be posturing and threats to leave, V4 tantrums....but we all know that not one of the EU member states has the guts to truly leave....they bitch over the extra sausage, but they will all stay in the EU, just maybe renegotiate their contribution.

Poland will move from biggest recipient of everyone else's money, to second biggest, if Yookranium joins. So fukn what? Poland boasts about its economy...put your money where your mouth is....

The biggest obstacle to Yookranium is its corruption., It's in the kultur, and in their DNA. EU would need to actually occupy Yookrane's admin, markets and fukn everything.... and be ruthless with them...they are massive fraudsters...they will need Total Re-Education Komrade....which they are kinda used to anyhow...

And Yookranium is one of the 3 sisters. Who next, fukn Bielorussia? That would be fun for EU....or Albania!!!!!

I bet Georgia and Armenia are busy calculating how much they stand to receive if they were to accede to EU. They all want free money. Which is how EU lures them in....then comes the order from Brussels to "volunteer" to accept Infiniti-Muslims (Hi Ireland).....then the fun starts...

I look forward to Yookrane's Accession, and all the Russians applying for Yookranium passports....Fraud, Fraud, Fraud....it's in their blood....

The goal of EU is ever closer union...until full financial (banking), fiscal, political and social union is achieved....unless of course civil conflict kicks off in places like Germany, when they try to remove even 1 family of the 1 million Syrians (and pretend Syrians) that the Massive Kunt Merkel invited in....

Its gonna be FUn Fun Fun....I love EU....
 
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