🐱 Polygon Senior Games Editor Attempts To Explain Why Batman Is “Deeply Conservative To The Point Of Being Leftist By Accident”

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Polygon Senior Games Editor Maddy Myers recently took to Twitter to claim that Batman is “deeply conservative to the point of being leftist by accident.”


Myers made her opinion clear on the matter in a series of tweets that began, “the whole point of batman to me is that it’s deeply conservative to the point of being leftist by accident because all of the villains are marginalized and mentally ill and queer and have great reasons for hating gotham and being pissed off that rich people won’t ever fix it.”


In a follow-up tweet, Myers added, “anyway, i thought the batman (2022) was pretty much fine in terms of this. it does batman stuff.”

Myers then stated, “i have pretty low expectations of a universe in which harley quinn, poison ivy, and catwoman are literally all queer sexy lady villains and that’s canon and writers have had to bend over backwards to not make that offensive anymore.”


The Polygon editor then wrote, “i think it’s cool when my mentions fill with people who tell me to read more comics because then i can feel extremely smug that i already do. at the very least you could all be explaining to me that gotham city sirens was actually very progressive for its time! (it was, sadly)”

She then criticized the male writers who had previously tackled Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and Catwoman albeit without actually stating what was wrong with their works other than the fact they were men.

She wrote, “i’ll read anything with poison ivy, harley quinn, and catwoman in it because i love those freakin’ gals and it’s within my rights to point out that men wrote them poorly for decades. thanks for coming by!”

She added, “i also have an x-men podcast that i bet is going to piss you all off too.”


Directing the thread towards the X-Men, Myers tweeted, “honestly, if you want a more explicit political allegory in your comic books, i am on my knees begging you to read some x-men.”

“The allegory is oftentimes NOT good, but at least it’s trying to do that, so you can critique on those grounds and have a great time doing it,” she concluded.


Following that she plugged an interview she conducted when she previously worked at The Mary Sue and asked for comic book recommendations for Catwoman, Poison Ivy, and Harley Quinn.

Myers’ opinion on Batman makes absolutely no sense. Her claim that the character is somehow “leftist by accident because all of the villains are marginalized and mentally ill and queer and have great reasons for hating gotham and being pissed off that rich people won’t ever fix it” is a rejection of the actual reality of Batman and the numerous stories he’s involved in.

Not only is it a rejection of the actual reality of Batman comics, but it’s also a warped view that somehow justifies doing absolutely vile and heinous things because you are pissed off that rich people in Gotham aren’t fixing the city, something many of the rich people in Gotham actually try to do including Bruce Wayne on numerous occasions.

It’s also absurd on its face to claim that Batman and his stories are somehow leftist because the villains are “marginalized and mentally ill and queer.” If the reason Batman is leftist is because his villains are “marginalized and mentally ill and queer” it implies those traits are somehow inherently evil, which they are not.

First, let’s address the idea that Batman’s villains are all “marginalized and mentally ill and queer.” One of the most popular Batman villains in recent years is Bane. He’s not marginalized, mentally ill, or queer. He’s an extremely strong and intelligent criminal mastermind who enhances his physical strength through the super-steroid known as Venom.


Another prominent villain who is not mentally ill, marginalized or queer is Mr. Freeze, who was originally conceived as a cunning criminal named Mister Zero, who used numerous freeze gadgets to rob a jewelry store and even steal jewelry from a visiting prince and princess.

The character would be reimagined to commit crimes in order to find a solution or cure for his terminally ill wife, Nora, that he put into cryo freeze following an industrial accident.


Other villains that don’t fit in Myers’ box include Riddler, Carmine Falcone, Ra’s al Ghul, Victor Zsasz, Anarky, Brother Eye, Calculator, Calendar Man, Catman, Cluemaster, Copperhead, KGBeast, Kite Man, Owlman, Prometheus, Lady Shiva, Talia al Ghul, Bronze Tiger, Arnold John Flass, and Harvey Bullock among others.

Clearly, there are plenty of Batman villains and many top tier Batman villains who are not mentally ill, marginalized, or queer.


Second, there are plenty of rich members of Gotham society who attempt to fix the city and help all of its citizens. Bruce Wayne is a prime example. Not only does he try and aid the city through his company and its technological advances, but also through its charitable work. Wayne also becomes Batman and fights crime head-to-head.

Even if there are rich individuals in Gotham who have no interest in helping Gotham and only want to exploit the individuals of the city, of which there are numerous like the Penguin and Carmine Falcone, it does not justify other villains committing heinous and despicable crimes.


Two wrongs do not make a right. Joker murdering Psimon is still murder. Stealing from Penguin is still stealing.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church notes, “There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.”


Finally, to reiterate there is nothing inherently wrong about being mentally ill, marginalized, or queer. The Catechism clearly teaches on homosexuality, “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.”

It continues, “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”


As for marginalized individuals, one only needs to look at the Church’s teaching on social justice, which states, “Social justice can be obtained only in respecting the transcendent dignity of man.”

It further notes, “Respect for the human person entails respects for the rights that flow from his dignity as a creature. These rights are prior to society and must be recognized by it. They are the basis of the moral legitimacy of every authority.”

St. Pope John Paul II also stated in a Papal document, “Whoever suffers from mental illness ‘always’ bears God’s image and likeness in himself, as does every human being in addition, he ‘always’ has the inalienable right not only to be considered as an image of God and therefore as a person, but also to be treated as such.”

Source: Detective Comics #684
To conclude, Myers’ claims are not only ridiculous, they are absurd. Not all of Batman’s villains are “marginalized and mentally ill and queer.”

Claiming to identify with any of these labels does not justify heinous and immoral acts of violence. However, there is also nothing inherently evil about identifying with these labels.
 
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Where does this "Batman villains are actually mentally ill" idea comes from?
I think a lot of it stems from Arkham Asylum being where most of Batman's villains go and a lot of exploration that's been done with the 'psyche' of Batman and his supporting characters, which include his villains.

Like, one comic series has Batman basically consulting with Julian Day (Calendar Man) in a not-obvious-at-all pastiche of Silence of the Lambs, talking criminal psychology about a Holiday Killer, complete with glass panel cell and everything.

Two-Face has routinely been characterized with multiple personality disorder. Etc.
 
Batman gives criminals simple rules

"Dont want to lose your teeth and get all kinds of broken bones? Just stop committing crimes"

No wonder leftists hate that level of "conservatism"
 
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So they've gone from the insanely losing message of "all the popular things that everyone loves is actually fascism" to "all the things you like that we said are fascist are actually lefty."

Cool.
 
I remember there was an episode of the Batman animated series where all the villains put on a mock trial to blame Batman for who they are. And the District Attorney that initially also puts the blame upon Batman comes to the conclusion that Batman had nothing to do with it, and that the criminals are all just deranged.
Maybe the tranny from this article was onto something, and the Batman villains really are like leftists. They both want to shift blame off from themselves, after all.
 
I have an idea for a new Batman villain. They're called "Syndicate" and their villain theme is "street gang". Batman beats them up from time to time but as a reader you notice, and this might be an oversight from the one drawing them, that there is no consistent look to the members. The individuals themselves are not the characters, they're not distinct or memorable at all, the gang and its chaotic nature is the character. In the future the Joker like twist is revealed: Batman's been beating up tons of street gangs under the assumption that they were all one and the same, the sheer scale of their mindless violence and destruction made him think they were a new villain. They're also Black and probably on the down-low, got to get that representation in.
 
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Before BTAS whitewashed her, Poison Ivy was an evil femme fetal type villainess who outright MINDRAPED men into being her slaves via mind control kisses and who disposed of her pawns when they were no used to her via poison, which was administered via kisses when she wasn't outright feeding them to giant venus fly trap abominations. Ivy giving a shit about the environment was entirely the creation of the cartoon; in the comic, she's a man hating mysandrist because an alien (Atom and Swamp Thing villain Floronic Man) seduced Ivy when she was a femcel college student, got her to steal for her, and then poisoned her to get rid of her only for it to backfire and give her her poison power.

Hell, there was even a story in Detective Comics in the late 80s where Ivy is shown to literally have become an AIDS metaphor where EVERY man she kissed or touched died horribly on the spot as far as having lost control over her poisonous body chemistry so that her mind control chemical lipstick was no longer working and she was straight up killing people with her kiss. She didn't give a flying fuck about the deaths she was leaving, all she cared about was her next fuck as she left a trail of dead men in her wake until Batman beat the shit out of her and took her into custody.

It was the BTAS cartoon that introduced the idea of Poison Ivy being a radical environmentalist who had some good ideas and even then, they had her having a "love hate" relationship with Two-Face (with her having tried to kill him before Harvey became disfigured).

Ironically Harley and Ivy was never meant to make Ivy gay. It was a one-off episode designed to lampshade the fact that Harley was an abusive spouse and Ivy trying (and failing) to get her to abandon Joker and become an independent woman villain who didn't need Joker's approval or love. But shippers latched onto the unintentional gay subtext of the episode and WOULD. NOT. SHUT. UP. ABOUT. IT. UNTIL. IT. WAS. MADE. CANON.
Shippers constantly do this. In Avatar the Last Airbender it was pretty clear that Azula and Ty Lee were interested in boys and merely saw each other as friends, although with Azula it's doubtful she considered anyone friends.
But of course shippers saw two female characters being close and with no boyfriends so of course the shipping was incessant, and became even worse once the show creators and voice actors started humoring them
 
I mean, look at all the adoration they give to Harley Quinn, who's also a psychopath who willingly hangs around with a murderer who beats the hell up of her. They made her a feminist icon for some reason.
She was a great side character and it was fun to see her once in a while doing a solo thing. The problem was she became too much of a fan favorite and they felt compelled to “rehabilitate” the character to sell more comics. Heck even Kevin smith named his kid after her lol
 
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I think she's leaning to the left in all the dead-eyed ones but some are autoflipped because they're selfies. It also doesn't flip that other than those shots and other people, any other expression is "candid" with her awkwardly skinwalking human emotion. I wonder if this one was broke from the factory or if they've killed her humanity with pills. You can see it in the eyes. This is past "I can save her!" levels of insanity.
 
I think a lot of it stems from Arkham Asylum being where most of Batman's villains go and a lot of exploration that's been done with the 'psyche' of Batman and his supporting characters, which include his villains.

Like, one comic series has Batman basically consulting with Julian Day (Calendar Man) in a not-obvious-at-all pastiche of Silence of the Lambs, talking criminal psychology about a Holiday Killer, complete with glass panel cell and everything.

Two-Face has routinely been characterized with multiple personality disorder. Etc.

Arkham Asylum's nature as a prison/asylum really depends on who is writing.

I think ultimately, Arkham became a prison for super powered villains, I mean, where else you put people like Poison Ivy, Clayface and Mr Freeze? There is BlackGate, an actual prison in Gotham, but it seems most of his rogue's gallery eventually ends up on Arkham one way or the other.
So I guess people ultimatelly accepted Arkham Asylum being more of a special prison than an actual place for insane people to get better (I mean, its clear people like The Joker cant be fixed and the State never seems to finally execute him, soo....)
 
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