Post Ratings Discussion

Should we have a fish hook rating?

  • Yea

    Votes: 1,032 85.5%
  • Nay

    Votes: 175 14.5%

  • Total voters
    1,207
The risk was about being mocked openly, not about receiving neg rates. Rates are correlated to lolcow status.
Removing rates does nothing to address the key issue. We need to remove fun.
 
So circumcision and ratings are currently the two hot button issues on Kiwi Farms?

Honestly I haven't given a shit about ratings to the point that I went on a forum crusade about it, they're just numbers on a forum account. Some people need to grow a thick skin (e.g. @Cucky).
 
How is what I said biased?

Remove the risk of being downrated? If the risk is that great then perhaps this community is a poor fit.

You just said that you yourself did not neg rate unless you felt the need to get "bitchy". You also admitted that people did not give out neg rates because they were afraid of revenge.

Most people know that concerns over ostracism are a key element of peer pressure.

I am using your own words.

Downvotes are a great pressure valve, and also a fun way to bully people weaker than you so that you fit in with the pack.
People who don't post at the fear of being downvoted are those whose postings we're probably better off without.

Again, we upturned this entire forum because we were concerned there was too much group think. That people were too scared of taking differing opinions from the consensus.

I would argue it is not the incentives from positive ratings that discouraged risk taking. It was the concern over rejection. It was the concern over neg ratings and what they stand for.

Cucky did not ask Dynastia to positively rate him. He asked for Dynastia to make sure people did not neg rate him.

You want to be able to downvote people to "bully" them into the pack. Is that not a prime example of the control that people complain is all too real?

The answer here is the simplest. Remove all risk if you feel that people are risk adverse. Removing incentive to conform does not encourage people to deviate from the norm or take risk. Removing disincentive does. It is why certain economic systems never worked. They removed incentive without removing disincentive.

Control is so hard to let up isn't it.
 
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Go back and read again. I said I dont use them unless i really feel they are earned because people get bitchy, not because I feel like being bitchy.

I didn't say I don't because of revenge Isaid others don't.

I will ignore the rest directed at me because it is based on a fallacy.
 
Go back and read again. I said I dont use them unless i really feel they are earned because people get bitchy, not because I feel like being bitchy.

I didn't say I don't because of revenge Isaid others don't.

I will ignore the rest directed at me because it is based on a fallacy.

Fair enough. I was a bit unfair, I will admit it. I was really responding to your statement "If the risk is that great then perhaps this community is a poor fit."

Back to the topic ---

Again lets look at this logically.
-Pos ratings (Incentives/reward)
-Neg ratings (Disincentives/risk) or Banning

If you remove the latter from the equation then there is only a reward for conformity(acceptance) or good posting and no risk for non-conformity(rejection) or bad posting. People are motivated on a deeper level to avoid risk and to value reward. If people are seemingly too scared to disagree without being neg rated(rejected), then remove the disincentive entirely.

Remove rejection/risk/disincentive from the equation.

I think if we are going to upend this forum, lets at least have a clear methodology for it. Lets really place a value on what we are removing and adding. Just removing positive ratings and not really examining the source of the conformity is misguided. People naturally avoid risk.

If there is nothing but risk, but no real reward than the ratings are meaningless and only serve as a crude passive aggressive bludgeoning tool for those too cowardly to debate.

Also lets just be honest, about one other thing. Positive ratings save time and remove repetitive posts. Negative ratings do nothing to reduce the repetitive posts in a thread.
 
The risk was about being mocked openly, not about receiving neg rates. Rates are correlated to lolcow status.
Removing rates does nothing to address the key issue. We need to remove fun.
 
Remove rejection/risk/disincentive from the equation.
We used to have only a "Like" function and Discussion was terrible. Null introduced neg ratings and @Hellblazer and Discussion was tremendously improved. If we took the logic a step further, we would remove positive ratings entirely and the farms would be perfect.

Also your bleeding heart is showing, please stop
 
We used to have only a "Like" function and Discussion was terrible. Null introduced neg ratings and @Hellblazer and Discussion was tremendously improved. If we took the logic a step further, we would remove positive ratings entirely and the farms would be perfect.

Also your bleeding heart is showing, please stop

"Bleeding heart?"

Did it really improve or did it become more uniform? The point of upending this all was to reduce conformity and encourage risk taking. Prove how your proposal would work. Tell me what removing positive ratings would really do and explain it. Just saying you want to "remove all positives" - really offers no methodology. Saying it was bad before, does not explain how it was bad.

Right now I am disagreeing with many people in this thread. I am taking a risk and getting lampooned for it. Who is conforming right now and who is defying it?
 
Again, we upturned this entire forum because we were concerned there was too much group think.

Disabling rating notifications upturned the forum?

Jesus Christ. Are you for real with this shit? Like seriously? I'm pretty sure the only other person who (over)thinks even half as much about any of this is Null after drinking 15 consecutive cans of Mountain Dew. Get a grip nigga. Tinkering with forum ratings is not the great sociological experiment of our time. Shitposters are gonna shitpost, trolls are gonna troll, and spergs are gonna sperg whether you can passive-aggressively trash a person by clicking a stupid meaningless icon under their post or not.
 
Ok I am actually going to address it. Forcing people to explain their position actually decrease the accuracy of the decision in general, as shown by studies. Just because someone can't explain how they came to their conclusion does not mean it's in any way wrong. The brain is a reliable black box.
 
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Right now I am disagreeing with many people in this thread. I am taking a risk and getting lampooned for it. Who is conforming right now and who is defying it?
Okay you're a hero, great job
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Disabling rating notifications upturned the forum?

Jesus Christ. Are you for real with this shit? Like seriously? I'm pretty sure the only other person who (over)thinks even half as much about any of this is Null after drinking 15 consecutive cans of Mountain Dew. Get a grip nigga. Tinkering with forum ratings is not the great sociological experiment of our time. Shitposters are gonna shitpost, trolls are gonna troll, and spergs are gonna sperg whether you can passive-aggressively trash a person by clicking a stupid meaningless icon under their post or not.

Ok I am actually going to address it. Forcing people to explain their position actually decrease the accuracy of the decision in general, as shown by studies. Just because someone can't explain how they came to their conclusion does not mean it's in any way wrong. The brain is a reliable black box.

You are about a week late. Null did more than just turn off the notifications. He removed all pos ratings. It was strange and without any real explanation.

Also I think I am finally getting to expose the real cause of the "conformity". You are both making my point right now.
 
How does that address anything I've said.
 
How does that address anything I've said.

Pack mentality. You all get one guy disagreeing with you all jump in. All hoping to get your scraps of precious "halal".

How many threads on this forum turn out this exact way. One guy disagreeing and 20 other speds blasting them throughout the whole thing.

It isn't about really about feel good ratings - it was always about the need to be in a pack and accepted. Ratings are just a part of it.

Pack mentality is at its core the center of this. You want to break up conformity. Break up the pack mentality.
 
You are about a week late. Null did more than just turn off the notifications. He removed all pos ratings. It was strange and without any real explanation.

Also I think I am finally getting to expose the real cause of the "conformity". You are both making my point right now.

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So an apparently extremely short-lived experiment with ratings "upended" the forum. Okay. You obviously can't be for real here, and if you are you're probably going to have your own thread in the lolcow forum soon enough, so see you then and have fun with whatever it is you're trying to do here.
 
Pack mentality. You all get one guy disagreeing with you all jump in. All hoping to get your scraps of precious "halal".

How many threads on this forum turn out this exact way. One guy disagreeing and 20 other speds blasting them throughout the whole thing.

It isn't about really about feel good ratings - it was always about the need to be in a pack and accepted. Ratings are just a part of it.

Pack mentality is at its core the center of this. You want to break up conformity. Break up the pack mentality.

You're delusional as fuck. Yes, I'm doing this to finally be accepted as a kiwifarms member. Maybe if you wrote more WoT...
 
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