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Prepare for the disintegration of Putin’s Russia​



From the moment the first bullets were fired in the Ukraine conflict, Western support for Kyiv has been constrained by needless concerns about the impact it might have on Russia.

Rather than doing everything in our power to ensure a Ukrainian victory, there has been a marked reluctance to provide the equipment they need to achieve supremacy on the battlefield. From tanks to warplanes, long-range missiles to replenishing basic ammunition stocks, Western allies have all-too-often looked for reasons not to act.

And when it looks, as it did towards the end of last year, as though the Ukrainian forces are on the brink of achieving a major breakthrough, Kyiv has been warned not to be over-ambitious in its war aims, especially in terms of its ultimate objective of liberating Crimea from Russian occupation.

Concerns have even been raised about the fate that might befall Moscow in the event of Ukraine winning an outright victory, with British luminaries such as the Most Rev Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, pleading that Russia must not be crushed like Weimar Germany in any future peace deal.

Such reservations are not only misplaced: they entirely fail to grasp how important it is for the survival of the free world that Russia suffers a catastrophic defeat – one from which it should take decades to recover.

By launching his unprovoked invasion last year, Vladimir Putin laid down a deliberate challenge to the international system established at the end of the Second World War, which upholds the sovereign integrity of the nation state. In addition, he and his nationalist acolytes have committed war crimes on an industrial scale, a fact now recognised by the International Criminal Court which recently issued an arrest warrant for the Russian president.

If, due to the irrational equivocation of Kyiv’s Western allies, Putin actually succeeded in achieving his war aims, just imagine the encouragement this would lend to other hostile states, such as China, Iran and North Korea, to pursue their own aggressive agendas.


Moreover, at a moment when many non-aligned countries are openly questioning whether they are witnessing the collapse of Western hegemony, anything that resembles success for the invaders in Ukraine would confirm their suspicions that the West no longer has the appetite or strength to protect its interests.

Still, one of the many fears expressed by Western analysts in recent months is that, if Moscow suffered a devastating defeat, it might lead to the collapse of Russia itself, with Putin’s dream of re-establishing the Russian Empire replaced by the country’s fragmentation into a mosaic of ethnic enclaves. It is currently a federation that could indeed be much more fragile than it looks.

Russia’s disintegration would certainly benefit China which, for all the bonhomie exhibited by Xi Jinping during his state visit to Moscow this week, casts covetous eyes on the 600,000sq km of formerly Chinese territory around the port of Vladivostok – annexed by Russia in 1860 at the end of the Second Opium War.

Xi and Putin might boast in public about the “no limits” strategic partnership they agreed prior to the invasion of Ukraine, but the body language visible at their joint public appearances made it clear that Xi is the dominant partner in the relationship, to the extent that Putin meekly conceded to his guest, “We envy you a little bit.”

Beijing, while giving the appearance of supporting Putin’s disastrous war, understands that its real interest is to exploit Russian weakness for its own advantage, whether by securing discounted oil supplies or territorial concessions. In future, this exploitation will be encouraged by the knowledge that, thanks to the heroism of Ukraine’s military forces, a depleted Moscow no longer has the ability to defend itself.

So rather than fretting about the potential consequences of a Russian defeat, Western leaders should adopt a similarly hard-nosed approach and ramp up their support for Ukraine, even if it ultimately results in the collapse of the Russian state. It was not that long ago, after all, that the West had to deal with the collapse of the Soviet Union, which reduced Moscow to impotence and penury.

Furthermore, given the malign intent Putin has consistently displayed towards the West, from meddling in American presidential elections to assassinating defectors on British soil, no one should mourn the demise of the Russian leader himself, even if it creates a new set of security challenges for the Western alliance.

If Russia could rebuild itself after experiencing the trauma of the collapse of the Iron Curtain, it can do so again after suffering defeat in Ukraine. And in the meantime, the West will have had ample opportunity to prepare to deal with any fallout that ensues from the implosion of Putin’s police state.

These or any other consequences of a Russian defeat do not mean we should dilute our support for Ukraine. On the contrary, it is time we recognised that a defeated and demoralised Russia would help to reassert Western standing in world affairs.
 
Trump will be arrested...any day now.
Putin will die...any day now.
The pandemic will be over...any day now.
The economy will get better...any day now.
The climate will change...any day now.
I suppose judging by that video going around, there's a whole army of Putins from fat face Putin to weak chin Putin. One Putin dying wouldn't mean too much. Weak chin Putin seen in Mariupol might die, but shouty fatface Putin seen at a recent rally seems on top form barring a slight limp.
 
There is no Russia Stronk ending here. Putin is getting long in years with deteriorating health. There is no viable successor.
Didn't they say the same about Yeltsin?

That there was no clear path of succession after he goes, so obviously, Russia would just have to become more Western as the days of commie strongmen was obviously gonna die with him?
 
And when Putin goes, Russia won't just become another NATO vassal state. Someone crazier will take his place.

Correction - Someone more compliant with the Oligarchs who make sure there are a large number of open windows available to them should the need arise.

... hopefully they can't be easily activated/repurposed without some kind of code from Moscow.

Nope - part of the reason the Ukraine is in this mess is they gave up there nukes at the end of the cold war, Moscow was really happy about this as only missile launch orders are controlled centrally in the old soviet system with a lot of local control available, the bombs warheads could be removed from launcher and armed and then deployed another way if they didn't manage to be able to make the old launch system viable again.

Supposedly * some parts of Nuclear weapons from the old Soviet Union have been surfacing, not a fully active weapon but enough of one to be able to cobble one together and in a shorter period of time than trying to scratch build one. But the Russians and NATO don't want that particular genie getting let out of the bottle so it's not happened often and they have recovered the items.

If Russia ever where to disintegrate into smaller countries Nuclear arms control is going to be a really big issue politically along side the risk of at least one device getting into the wrong hands, it can be taken off a launcher packed inside a container loaded onto a ship and then detonated once it reaches port etc.

*= according to various documentaries I've seen but I am also treating this really sceptically.
 
The looming Russia problem that will lead to chaos is the vast rise in PMC's. Not just Wagner. Every Oligarch and high party official is establishing their own private army's.
first time i hear a story like this
and tbh i don't believe it. wagner was only allowed to form because it was (and still is) run by a putin loyalist, and because it served a useful purpose for putin (allow him to take military action around the world while maintaining plausible deniability due to their semi private status)

never heard anything about other big guys in russia building their own private militias
 
The looming Russia problem that will lead to chaos is the vast rise in PMC's. Not just Wagner. Every Oligarch and high party official is establishing their own private army's. Putin cant last forever. What comes next is battling Warlords. Sitting atop the worlds largest nuclear stockpile.
yeah but most of those dotn want to rule russia, thats much more work than being just a rich Oligarch.
their PMC adventures are just PR moves.
 
If people expect for Russia to correct itself just by Putin's death they are incredibly naive. The only way you could fix Russia is how Germany got fixed after WW2.

After the dictator dies, get the entire country occupied by someone more competent for a few years to clean the entire mess of a country up.

But that would imply a conflict between NATO and Russia, since the only reason it happened in 1945 was because of WW2 and Germany losing the fight to the US. So good luck with that.
 
Rather than doing everything in our power to ensure a Ukrainian victory, there has been a marked reluctance to provide the equipment they need to achieve supremacy on the battlefield. From tanks to warplanes, long-range missiles to replenishing basic ammunition stocks, Western allies have all-too-often looked for reasons not to act.
What more do we need to do? We're already emptying out stockpiles and sending more in aid than Russia spends on their military. Is this just seething we aren't actually bombing the only other nuclear power with an actual atomic arsenal capable of fucking us up?
 
yeah but most of those dotn want to rule russia, thats much more work than being just a rich Oligarch.
their PMC adventures are just PR moves.
They will all be maneuvering for a piece of it, while the Eastern and Southern Republics break away to do their own thing.
 
Firstly, while Putin has centralized his power structure, he's a KGB/FSB operative. There is absolutely no way he hasn't planned for his eventual demise. While Putin is obsessed with legacy, nobody wants to be a great leader/dictator/emperor, only to when they die, the empire immediately collapse.

Putin likely has many contingences in place to prevent bickering, decay and anarchy. While he has centralized power, his legacy doesn't mean much if it all just evaporates as soon as he steps down/dies. So no, wishing for the collapse of Russia won't make it happen. There are certainly mechanisms in place to prevent it.

Second, China would not tolerate a fragmented and exploitable Russia on its border. Likely a lot of the meetings held were peace talks, building a multi-polar world, and shoring up relations. Shocker, nobody wants to live in the shadow of one country forever. Reserve currencies come and go, and the world basically tolerates them for a century or two before they get fed the fuck up and do something else because they're tired of getting big dicked. This is happening as we speak.

Third, the author is on crack cocaine. A total victory for Ukraine is utterly impossible at this point. You have people in Congress screaming to give them cluster bombs, and we're shipping them 30 year old Abrahams. In autumn. Maybe. Yeah, they're sure doing well. So no, a total Ukrainian victory is impossible, only a phyrric victory is likely, with the complete decimation of their male population, ammo reserves, equipment reserves, and their industrial sector.

Ukraine is utterly fucked, and will have lost all independence. It will effectively be a corporate client state with loans it cannot pay, security that it does not operate and official's that do not act in its own interest. Not to mention the CIA has been wanting to ditch this mess because it is more worried about China, who are probably ramping up ammo production as we speak.

Fourth, Western Hegemony is cracking. We haven't had a foreign policy win since Desert Storm, every excursion and regime change has been an absolute fucking disaster. We've spent trillions to influence a region to get nothing out of it. The sanctions on Russia only hurt the West and Europe. Ammo production in Europe is not expected to even catch up to Russia until 2025, and that's looking on the bright side of things, because Germany issued 52 billion to its military and still hasn't spent a penny of it. Not to mention that's if Europe sacrifices its own militaries, and the US is already running low itself, which it cannot do.

Expelling Russia from SWIFT did fuck all except expose that you can get expelled from capitalist systems and still wage a war and even profit. Another foreign policy crisis would effectively not be able to be handled, because everything is invested in Ukraine. If another major or regional power pulls something, we wouldn't be able to handle it.

Fifth, the support for the war in Ukraine is dwindling rapidly among normal people. Retard in chief giving them money while our banking system is collapsing (and getting bailed out, again), interest rates are soaring, people are living off credit, inflation is out of control, a worsening fentanyl epidemic...there are so many domestic issues that some random shithole in Eastern Europe doesn't matter to people. The problem journos and politicos don't realize is you can't have fun foreign policy adventures if everything is fucked at home. And Americans ate endless war for 20 fucking years and we're patently done.

This article is delusional and pathetic. Ukraine is fucked by any approximation, and this is magical thinking, like all liberals and capitalists do. It is not based in objective reality.
 
Oh for fuck sakes Putin already has a successors in mind. Nor is his power absolute. Nor does he hold Russia together.

As far as his succesor Let me quote myself
It can be practically anyone. Putin's power is not absolute. He's still a front man despite gaining ton of power. Medvedev is most probable candidate as emergency successor and he will not claim it, but will be chosen for it. The actual successor will likely be Alexei Gennadyevich Dyumin
 
They will all be maneuvering for a piece of it, while the Eastern and Southern Republics break away to do their own thing.
never, the Russian oligarch will use their private armies to keep russia as whole as possible. they want their own little area where they can do what they want, not their own nation.
 
"DUUUUURRRRR it'll be different this time and they'll submit because we're the Good Guys™️".

Chickenhawking should be illegal. Anyone who cheerleads for pointless wars should be automatically sent to the front line.

And when Putin goes, Russia won't just become another NATO vassal state. Someone crazier will take his place.
"OMG we have to send weapons and troops and nuclear fucking warheadzzz to YOU CRANE!!!! #standonacrane #pukfootin" 💙💛🇺🇦

What I don't get is if you love Ukraine so God damn much, then WHY AREN'T YOU THERE!?

Of course, it's never the types that want to provide humanitarian aid to displaced persons or anything like that, they want to be like their capeshit heroes beating the crap out of Putin or something.

And yeah I get that information warfare is a thing, but reposting hashtags will not win battles, let alone open a pathway to besiege Moscow.
 
The looming Russia problem that will lead to chaos is the vast rise in PMC's. Not just Wagner. Every Oligarch and high party official is establishing their own private army's. Putin cant last forever. What comes next is battling Warlords. Sitting atop the worlds largest nuclear stockpile.

There is no Russia Stronk ending here. Putin is getting long in years with deteriorating health. There is no viable successor.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is a piece of fiction if you didnt' know
 
"DUUUUURRRRR it'll be different this time and they'll submit because we're the Good Guys™️".

Chickenhawking should be illegal. Anyone who cheerleads for pointless wars should be automatically sent to the front line.

And when Putin goes, Russia won't just become another NATO vassal state. Someone crazier will take his place.
its wild how people forget that the largest opposition parties to putin are the guys who think he isn't enough of a nationalist warmonger.
 
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