Programming thread

But dude got a comp sci degree (I don't have one, I dropped out) and is still as dumb as fuck. I haven't checked up on him in a few years, but I'm sure he's gainfully employed by some terrible bureaucratic corporation where he just coasts by on mediocrity.
Shit's wild. The IT guy and I loved reading pajeet programmer resumes.

Like how the fuck you been coding SQL since 1992 and fail the technical interview so badly it just retroactively brought shame upon your entire family. Who the fuck hires these people?
 
Annoying bug in xenforo. Quoting posts longer than a certain length shits out. It can still be done by manually fucking with the BB code. A user script can probably mitigate it. I've been meaning to try to address that but I've been busy.
To be clear, this isn't an Xenforo bug. Quoting long posts used to work just fine; Null specifically broke it because he was getting angry that people were quoting entire long posts just to add a sentence or two at the bottom. The cure is worse than the symptom, though.
 
marvin touched on this in his above lengthy post(not sure why i cant reply or quote it) but id like to rant on the language barrier.
i currently work with a lot of indians and while i am sympathetic to anyone trying to speak english, i know first hand how difficult it can be to speak a foreign language, it makes working so frustrating at times. something which would only take like 2 minutes to explain to a native speaker ends up taking 20 minutes and at the end of it they still dont completely understand. though i do admit, some of it can be blamed on me not being the best at explaining things, but that's just it, with competent english speakers even my lack of ability to clearly explain things isnt a problem.

i dont know, i just feel so frustrated and annoyed when working a technical job and having coworkers who i cant communicate effectively with. though on the plus side i do find many(but not all) of the female indian accents to be kind of sexy.

and everything else marving said about pajeet programmers is 100% true. sorry just need to rant abotu this topic a bit.
Pajeet problem is mainly cultural. They are mentally incapable of admitting to not know what you mean and would rather waste your and the company's time doing their best interpretation of what you said.
The moment a semi reliable basic programming "AI" enters the market, the entire Indian tech industry will collapse.
 
Pajeet problem is mainly cultural. They are mentally incapable of admitting to not know what you mean and would rather waste your and the company's time doing their best interpretation of what you said.
The moment a semi reliable basic programming "AI" enters the market, the entire Indian tech industry will collapse.
I encourage people to not use phrases like, "do you understand?" after explaining something, and instead something like, "Now that I've shown you X, you go ahead and try", at which point they get to do the demonstration. That way it's immediately apparent where the explanation and/or knowledge gaps are. It is a very painful process for both parties at first, but once you get used to passing knowledge this way, it helps everyone out. As a bonus, the people who can't/won't learn will eventually stop coming to you for help unless there's absolutely no other recourse for them. This, and requiring any inquiries to be through e-mail or meetings scheduled on calendars (instead of bullshit IMs and impromptu phone calls), has reduced my interaction with pajeets to almost nothing, despite them being roughly 2/3rds of the programming team.
 
I encourage people to not use phrases like, "do you understand?" after explaining something, and instead something like, "Now that I've shown you X, you go ahead and try", at which point they get to do the demonstration. That way it's immediately apparent where the explanation and/or knowledge gaps are. It is a very painful process for both parties at first, but once you get used to passing knowledge this way, it helps everyone out. As a bonus, the people who can't/won't learn will eventually stop coming to you for help unless there's absolutely no other recourse for them. This, and requiring any inquiries to be through e-mail or meetings scheduled on calendars (instead of bullshit IMs and impromptu phone calls), has reduced my interaction with pajeets to almost nothing, despite them being roughly 2/3rds of the programming team.
There is also the "can you repeat it" for verbal talk but yeah. In the end you are just micromanaging something only slightly more complex than a general compiler.

Out of curiosity, which third/second world countries have (comparatively) the best programmers, and which ones are worse than India?
 
Had to explain to a Testing Pajeet how to add his iPhone to the developer account so he could build the app to test it without having to bother us all the time. Felt like he wasn't talking to me so much as he was talking to someone sitting in the room with him and it just so happened that his microphone was on. Instead of his device UDID, he kept giving me his phone number, awkward silences, repeated questions, torture.
 
Stop using Rust, and start using a programming language that supports the Nation of Israel.
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Honestly, I'm quite terrified of troons and whatnot in the industry. I do not want to get hired based off of diversity, but instead my skills.
What industry? I don't think you have to worry about the troon thing so much unless you're going to work at Big Tech/FAGMAN.
As for why they hire you, you don't get a choice, but people will know if you're really any good or not. It's not like you'll be walking around forever with a big diversity-hire ? mark over your head.
 
Is it difficult for a woman to get a job as a programmer, without diversity hire? Honestly, I'm quite terrified of troons and whatnot in the industry. I do not want to get hired based off of diversity, but instead my skills.
The interview process goes two ways. They meet the candidate and assess his or her skills, and the candidate meets the people he or she will be working with. If you get the feeling that you don't want to work there, it's just as much your right to decline as it is their right to opt not to offer.

As far as being hired because you're a woman... if they've decided that they want to hire a woman, there's nothing you can do about it, other than trying to be the most qualified woman that they interview.
 
Stop using Rust, and start using a programming language that supports the Nation of Israel.
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I think php is the one that attends the synagogue more often.

Is it difficult for a woman to get a job as a programmer, without diversity hire? Honestly, I'm quite terrified of troons and whatnot in the industry. I do not want to get hired based off of diversity, but instead my skills.
I can think of a tip for you, and for gals and pals in a similar situation too. When you're investigating any place, check their people and work culture, with this you can spot red flags way ahead. For example if they've hired crazies, they have adopted a ridiculous CoC or their socials are pozzed then you should just ignore the place. I got a handful of horror stories from friends and acquaintances about how agonizing is to work with these foul people, specially troons.
 
Is it difficult for a woman to get a job as a programmer, without diversity hire? Honestly, I'm quite terrified of troons and whatnot in the industry. I do not want to get hired based off of diversity, but instead my skills.
You will get hired based off diversity, full stop. There is no company hiring software developers who will not take one look at your resume and, assuming you appear halfway competent, hire you because you're a woman. What you can do is, once you are hired, not be a massive piece of dead weight that makes it obvious to everyone you work with that you can't hang.

You will be expected to prove yourself once you're hired. This isn't sexism. It's not even because of diversity hires. It's because any dev who's been around has had to work with people who interviewed well, but absolutely could not code, and they don't want to waste time dealing with you if you're not capable. If you can deal with it and prove to others you can do your job, your typical dev doesn't give a shit what race or sex you are and will be glad to have another competent person on the team.
 
Yeah, whether your coworkers will see you as a diversity hire will depend less on management's/HR's actual secret motivations while hiring you, and more on whether or not you act like a diversity hire once you work there.

This definitely does not mean that you should refrain from asking for help and explanations from colleagues, for fear of being though needy/inexperienced.
(Even the most experienced expert would be ill advised to try to get the hang of a new codebase, new tools, new workflow, new organizational structure, etc., on their own rather than asking to have things explained!)

It just means that you should signal to your coworkers that you are here to (eventually) pull your weight, not just to have a cushy paycheck for chilling around while they cover for you - and that you are either reasonably competent, or striving to become so.
 
Is it difficult for a woman to get a job as a programmer, without diversity hire? Honestly, I'm quite terrified of troons and whatnot in the industry. I do not want to get hired based off of diversity, but instead my skills.
Honey, as others said it really doesn't matter why they hire you. If you don't want to be a diversity hire, just hone your skills, deliver quality code, and be the best you can be overall. That's all.
If you can't stand a thought that they hired you just because you are a woman, I think a small start-up is not likely to do diversity hiring, because they typically can't afford wasting money, and one bad hire is very costly to them.
 
If you can't stand a thought that they hired you just because you are a woman, I think a small start-up is not likely to do diversity hiring, because they typically can't afford wasting money, and one bad hire is very costly to them.
Another trick is that at a smaller company, you'll probably be hired by a non-tech-savvy manager who will have no way of judging whether you're a "good" coder or not so long as the deliverables get done on time, so for women (or men) just starting out who are worried about others judging their work harshly because they're new to the industry, getting a couple years clocked on the resume with a small company might be the way to go.

Just be sure to still always be learning stuff and not just sitting on your laurels because your boss says your work is good enough.
 
Thank you everyone. I was a bit putt off since I saw that most programmers were 91% men, and was quite worried I would be considered a diversity hire or someone who was incompetent. I just graduated highschool last year, however I have been coding for a few years. In all my jobs, however, I do tend to overachieve. I just hope the best for this job, as I genuinely get happy when I do correct strings and correct scripts.
 
Thank you everyone. I was a bit putt off since I saw that most programmers were 91% men, and was quite worried I would be considered a diversity hire or someone who was incompetent. I just graduated highschool last year, however I have been coding for a few years. In all my jobs, however, I do tend to overachieve. I just hope the best for this job, as I genuinely get happy when I do correct strings and correct scripts.
People will be suspicious at first that you're a diversity hire, but they'll be relieved once they realize you're a valuable member of the team.
 
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