Programming thread

[Lard Shart]

imo that's Go. You get the flexibility of python too with the power of C-style pointers.

Go might be one of the least flexible language out there.

Any language that nags you about unused variables, dead code paths or any other thing that while not directly usesfull in the finished code but very much so in the process of writing it is clearly designed for pajeets and as such belongs to garbage tier. Such features ought to be opt-in. In addition to that creators of languages that refuse to compile because of such nonsense need to rope themselves immediately.

I can assure you, when working alongside pajeet-minded codemonkeys, having such strict rules keeps one from jumping off a bridge. Still there's no reason to not make it opt-in/out. I believe with Go you have to edit the compiler source code to remove the nagging.
I used to hate Python and always used Go instead whenever possible, but the fatigue of being treated like a nigger has caught up. At least Python is indifferent about it.

 

[Yog-Sothoth]

Real programmers use assembly~

 

[El Goblina]

Real programmers use assembly~

Reminds me of a project I found yesterday: Load a Linux kernel from the first HDD entirely using Stage1 bootloader code: https://github.com/Stefan20162016/linux-insides-code/

 

[Rango Dango]

Real programmers use assembly~

65xx assembly is unironically fun
6502 if you wanna program cbm computers
65816 if 8 bit wide registers arent enough

 

[El Goblina]

65xx assembly is unironically fun
6502 if you wanna program cbm computers
65816 if 8 bit wide registers arent enough

6502 is the NES processor as well, it's really everywhere, including Bender from Futurama. 65c816 is the SNES CPU.

 

[Rango Dango]

6502 is the NES processor as well, it's really everywhere, including Bender from Futurama. 65c816 is the SNES CPU.

Yeah I guess, I just used cbm as an example cuz i have one right next to me (c128, it has 6502 for compatibility reasons)
from what I remember apple // also uses 6502

65c02 and 65c816 is also used by commander x16

 

[Private Tag Reporter]

RISC-V looks fun, as a modern day architecture analagous to old 65xx processors. Simple, easy to understand opcodes instead of the monstrosities in x86.

 

[Sorry for a-logging]

i feel id appreciate a like a language with the readability of python and the rigid syntax rules of C

There's nim, which is as close as you can get to "readable like python but rigid like C". It doesn't have curly braces, though. Also I never managed to install it on Windows because Defender thinks the installer is malware and deletes it instantly.

 

[Rango Dango]

There's nim, which is as close as you can get to "readable like python but rigid like C". It doesn't have curly braces, though. Also I never managed to install it on Windows because Defender thinks the installer is malware and deletes it instantly.

i just use nod32 with trial keys generated from telegram

 

[GNU Abyss]

There's nim, which is as close as you can get to "readable like python but rigid like C". It doesn't have curly braces, though. Also I never managed to install it on Windows because Defender thinks the installer is malware and deletes it instantly.

Saw a comment in that thread.



Clicked out of curiosity and, a year and 3 months later, it's gotten worse.



Programs that bundle script code together with binary, Python packagers for Windows as an example, I can understand. What the fuck is going on here?

 

[geckogoy]

What the fuck is going on here?

IDK, what do you think happens if you build up a binary pattern signature database for 20 years and never remove anything?

 

[Goose the Redeemer]

Programs that bundle script code together with binary, Python packagers for Windows as an example, I can understand. What the fuck is going on here?

If I had to guess, an over-zealous anti-virus that flags any "untrusted" executable.

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int main(void) {} hits 25/72.

 

[Kuroyuri]

If I had to guess, an over-zealous anti-virus that flags any "untrusted" executable.

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int main(void) {} hits 25/72.
View attachment 7324809

It gets even dumber if you drop the CRT bits. Defender does not like winapi only programs.

 

[Agent Sandoval]

What the fuck is going on here?

If I were to guess I would say that it's not uncommon for trojan virus droppers to bundle test executables. One of the referenced labels is Wacatac which is just such a dropper. Maybe empty/hello world executables are considered a good way to test if you actually have the ability to run code on the infected machine as heuristic scanners would be less likely to shut those down.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

What the fuck is going on here?

Antivirus programs are scams and you've found one of the many reasons why, that's what's going on.

 

[y a t s]

Antivirus programs are scams and you've found one of the many reasons why, that's what's going on.

The best antivirus is common sense. Unfortunately, common sense isn't all that common.

 

[Aidan]

Saw a comment in that thread.

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Clicked out of curiosity and, a year and 3 months later, it's gotten worse.

View attachment 7323445

Programs that bundle script code together with binary, Python packagers for Windows as an example, I can understand. What the fuck is going on here?

How do you know your compiler isn't compromised?

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf

It almost certainly isn't but it's a classic thought problem.

 

[GNU Abyss]

How do you know your compiler isn't compromised?

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf

It almost certainly isn't but it's a classic thought problem.

Considering how many languages have one de-facto compiler and no alternatives, the thought experiment doesn't seem to be taken seriously by current year devs.

 

[WielkiWapiesz2137]

If non existence of alternative compilers was the only issue we would have been in better situation than we are in as most of those languages in case of being written in themselves instead of serious language are not bootstrapable fully from source.

 

[GhastlyGhost]

If non existence of alternative compilers was the only issue we would have been in better situation than we are in as most of those languages in case of being written in themselves instead of serious language are not bootstrapable fully from source.

Rust is self-hosted as a matter of self fellating pride, despite having an unstable standard.
Go has been self-hosted since 1.4, for likely the same reasons.
So are Nim and Zig.
Odin truly is king.