Programming thread

[emergenigger]

You want this to be accessible to non-programmers, but you also want features like inlines and callables?

We already have Python tbh

To elaborate on this:
Languages shouldn't cater to normies. There's another project like this led by some guy @ MIT, essentially Scratch for Javascript.
I think (not sure) I made the lead project mad by dismissing his project during the live presentation but I have a valid merit to do so.
All of those projects are done from the perspective of a nuanced programmer, NOT from an average person's point of view, let alone a K12 schooler.
Personally, as a zoomer my problem used to be that we had forced to deal with babyshit tools like Scratch, instead of real-world stuff I almost use daily as an adult (Python, TS, C#/Java, C).
The problem is twofold:

1) Most teachers outside of academia are amazingly retarded.
This is a systemwide problem and it would require some kind of a network connecting professionals, academics and kids.

2) Brain matter doesn't fucking grow on trees. Sometimes you need to omit some stuff or oversimplify in order to get your point across. It's easy enough to understand basic concepts like recursion (or mathematics), provided you are smart enough.
Kids aren't there yet, this is why they're here, not at fucking Oxford, Stanford or Priceton.
The curriculum would have to be shaped appropriately in order to compensate.

Now, how does this apply to normies?
Well, they're kind of like mentally stunned children.
I recall watching some bad (yet popular!) YT videos on stuff like Game Theory only to discuss a 10- minute lecture topic in such a bad way it was hilarious.


Speaking of Python, I have recently been doing some algorithms for my graph theory class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_coloring

I'll later post the algorithm from my GH.


Also, how the hell do you write a webserver? We only had some semblance of that in Java were we used the Socket Listener to accept requests on port XYZ. I assume the only way to do this right would he to read through the RFCs (like an engineer would) and handle the standard precisely.
Someone in the thread mentioned it's every programmers toy project, but considering that it's just insanely hard I doubt everyone wrote a web server by themselves.

Then again I kinda suck at programming. I limited my procrastination to almost minimum and I find myself sometimes just writing Test cases instead of actual code or program.
I feel like sometimes my brain wants some off time.

 

[Rango Dango]

Also, how the hell do you write a webserver?

like this i guess

 

[emergenigger]

Principles and Practice Using C++",

GOD NO.
No.

Do NOT pick this book up if you have ADHD.
This book also has very infamous exercises such as "bake the blueberry pie" to understand the importance of natural language as opposed to fucking programming C++.



It's okay if it's your first CS course book. Otherwise, I would consider something else.

idk in my college we started off first semestre with some python then we had mfing MATLAB!!!! and only then we had c/c++ and after that we had verilog and embedded c

Seems like your uni is decent.
DM me, I'd like you to ask you a personal question.

one of my college friends, total ee GOD (would pick electronics out of trash and repair them and such), had ABYSMAL coding practices

Verilog tends to do that to you.

 

[Rango Dango]

This book also has very infamous exercises such as "bake the blueberry pie" to understand the importance of natural language as opposed to fucking programming C++.

i got a "program in unity" book (really shit idea i dont recommend it) and in it there was an apple pie recipe to compare natural language instructions to machine instructions
my mom and i made the recipe (with some slight adjustments) and it turned out pretty cool - she put it in the family heirloom ass recipe book as "C++ apple pie" and im nowhere near autistic enough to correct her

 

[Byte Doctor]

Verilog tends to do that to you.

I wonder if VHDL would fix him up? Though, to be fair hardware design and software design are pretty different.

 

[Safir]

Languages shouldn't cater to normies.

Some languages should cater to normies. You communicate with normies in a language, and sometimes you have to choose or invent a domain-specific language for better communication (clean presentation, automation, and less bullshit). Chess notation, sportsball notation, timetables, math, accounting. I don't know about you, but where I am, cooking the books is traditionally a woman's job.

There's another project like this led by some guy @ MIT, essentially Scratch for Javascript.
I think (not sure) I made the lead project mad by dismissing his project during the live presentation but I have a valid merit to do so.

Scratch is not a "normie" domain-specific language for normies, it's an initiative to get illiterate children ("visual learners") started on Real Programming:

Scratch, developed by the MIT Media Lab, is a free, web-based platform that introduces programming in a fun and accessible way.

The goal of Scratch is to let children have fun with their stupid throwaway pregnant elsa games and eventually graduate to Building (always this word) Killer Apps in Real Languages. It's a failure because
(1) they're fucking illiterate and no amount of pregnant elsa is going to teach them to read, and
(2) no one is interested in pregnant elsa games, not even the parents, otherwise they'd have taught them to read and write by 5.

My goal is to have a clean readable way to write interactive stories, as the end product. There *is* a market for stories. I don't care if the authors "graduate" to Real Programming, in fact I'd rather they didn't.
(A domain-specific language for stories is different from a traditional programming language. The "code" is not supposed to be reused, nor read (as code) significantly more often than written, nor collaborated on by more than a handful of people, and it is in fact good if a lot of it is interdependent.)

I am *not* targeting "visual learners", "visual learners" can go pound sand. I'm not interested in their creative output, and I'm not interested in running a commercial or "charitable" scam that promises to teach them Real Programming.

 

[emergenigger]

My goal is to have a clean readable way to write interactive stories, as the end product. There *is* a market for stories. I don't care if the authors "graduate" to Real Programming, in fact I'd rather they didn't.

You could have just told us you're doing a VN engine.
Nothing shameful in that.

Also, the kids are pretty much literate here in Poland by five or six.
I agree with your take on visual learners.