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Creative Username said:
Python has some amazing data visualization libraries.

You could do that with a browser extension written in JavaScript. You can also use what @Marvin posted, if you must use Python.
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Actually, It's not official thing. I was just thinking of use cases about what I could do with programs. I just used python because it seems to be the de-facto "start with this" language.
 
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Well, JavaScript is the official "start with this" language of Web browsers.
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Yeah, but that's really more of an unfortunate accident of history rather than soberly considered advice.

If he can get python and selenium installed and working together (which, to be fair, can difficult, particularly on Windows), I'd say that's the better option.
 
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The best way to do it would be to send GET and POST requests to the website you're automating with payloads reverse-engineered from network tab of the Inspect Element window, using libcurl or any other random HTTP library. This would allow you to make your tool extremely portable and highly efficient.
 
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Creative Username said:
The best way to do it would be to send GET and POST requests to the website you're automating with payloads reverse-engineered from network tab of the Inspect Element window, using libcurl or any other random HTTP library. This would allow you to make your tool extremely portable and highly efficient.
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Brave (and probably any chromium based browsers) have a fantastic feature where you can copy a request "as curl" and just copy and paste the full request as a cli curl request to a terminal to fuck with.

I'm guessing you already know this but just saying it aloud.
 
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So in theory it can be feasible. That's cool. I'm still suck at computers, but at least I have some direction now.

It will take a while, but I want to kinda try some new things and stay a little ahead of the curve.
 
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Marvin said:
Brave (and probably any chromium based browsers) have a fantastic feature where you can copy a request "as curl" and just copy and paste the full request as a cli curl request to a terminal to fuck with.

I'm guessing you already know this but just saying it aloud.
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Firefox has this too. It's one of my favourite features in the dev tools.
 
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y a t s said:
Firefox has this too. It's one of my favourite features in the dev tools.
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This reminds me: I suspect that my (foreign) work colleagues probably don't know how to use curl for typical webdev stuff.

They're a foreign consultant group that my company is working with. I've been working with them for almost a year, and this whole time, every time I was trying to debug something they were doing on the backend, I'd always provide curl examples. And they were always kinda quiet and vague about helping me debug it.

And then a few months ago, we did a livestreaming pair programming thing, and I saw they were using Postman's GUI (I think? I've never used it) and then it all clicked: they have no clue how to use curl aside from curl url. Huh. In fact, they all use OS X and probably are heavily into GUI stuff.

Which is fine to a point. Far be from it for me to want to impose a monoculture, tools-wise, as long as we can all get our jobs done.

But still, it would've been nice if they at least told me that. The language barrier also doesn't help.
 
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davids877 said:
So they should have no trouble provided they can click the proper buttons.
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Rapidly becoming an increasingly lost art, like most of the early fun stuff in computer science. People could never be fucked to follow basic directions or actually use their heads, but technological advancement has catalyzed this and AI especially will completely fuck everything up there too.

Everything is so heavily abstracted now, kids these days don't know the basics of how filesystems and their hierarchies work.
 
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y a t s said:
Rapidly becoming an increasingly lost art, like most of the early fun stuff in computer science. People could never be fucked to follow basic directions or actually use their heads, but technological advancement has catalyzed this and AI especially will completely fuck everything up there too.
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>be every end user ever
>try to do thing
>receive error
>immediately close error without reading it
>call IT/geek squad/grandson
>end up taking two hours of someone's time
>turns out the error was an empty field or something equally retarded
>learn nothing
>do it again tomorrow
 
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Any .NET frontend devs here?
I've been learning Xamarin / MAUI for the past few months and it's pretty painful coming from web development.
I'm also wondering if there's even a point in learning it anymore. MS seems to be pushing Blazor more and more. There now is also a Blazor-MAUI Hybrid project setup with lets you run Blazor as native desktop or mobile apps (kinda like Electron or React Native for web apps).
Corporate IT is also moving to web / cloud apps everywhere.

What do you guys think?
Is it still worth learning any XAML-based framework? Or am I just wasting my time?
 
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Azarzaza said:
Is it still worth learning any XAML-based framework? Or am I just wasting my time?
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You'll be wasting your time.
Lazy webapps are becoming standard, and the only usecase I see for dedicated Desktop or mobile apps is if you are directly making use of the capabilities of the operating system itself.
MAUI targets multiple OSs, so obviously can't make use of any special features.
 
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Megaton Punch said:
>be every end user ever
>try to do thing
>receive error
>immediately close error without reading it
>call IT/geek squad/grandson
>end up taking two hours of someone's time
>turns out the error was an empty field or something equally retarded
>learn nothing
>do it again tomorrow
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Reading this is giving me war flashbacks. At least I was able to get my Grandma to install Teamviewer on her laptop back in the early 2010s. If this sort of thing doesn't stem from a person's laziness, it's usually a sort of learned helplessness that is extremely prevalent in society today. It's much easier to say "Durr... computers lol amirite?" instead of putting in effort and possibly failing at something when you have some (often unpaid) helper monkey to do it all for you. That recent South Park special where no one knows how to do shit anymore, despite the iffy content over the past few years, was spot on.

Azarzaza said:
Any .NET frontend devs here?
I've been learning Xamarin / MAUI for the past few months and it's pretty painful coming from web development.
I'm also wondering if there's even a point in learning it anymore. MS seems to be pushing Blazor more and more. There now is also a Blazor-MAUI Hybrid project setup with lets you run Blazor as native desktop or mobile apps (kinda like Electron or React Native for web apps).
Corporate IT is also moving to web / cloud apps everywhere.

What do you guys think?
Is it still worth learning any XAML-based framework? Or am I just wasting my time?
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I used Xamarin a fair bit a few years ago, back before Swift was a thing; I'd sooner shit in my own hand and clap than have to do anything in Objective-C. Overall, I liked what I saw.

I had no idea Blazor-MAUI was a thing until now, but it looks really cool (linked for others also living under a rock). As MS is slowly moving away from Mono and the like, I think it's worth looking into. That said, I would still get myself reasonably familiar with Xamarin since it's still of significant use. Like it or not, making everything an embedded web app is the future :(.
 
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