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Babe, wake up, Vercel is doing some stupid shit again.

Zero: The programming language for agents

It's basically Java with some modern niceties like not having to end lines with semicolons or define lists of imports at the top of the file, and what seems to be a pretty broad standard library. Looking through some of the code samples, my biggest objection is that functions aren't labeled with "function" or "func" or "fn," but "fun." Puke.

I really don't see the point, though. Other programming languages already exist that have a lot more examples and documentation out there on the web and whatever training stacks a given LLM model will already be using, so in the end, at least for now, they've made Yet Another Programming Language that they're billing as being "for agents" but which no agent is actually going to know how to use unless you point it at the GitHub repo and tell it to study it first, and even then I doubt it will be able to write as well as other languages that have decades of documentation and source code available.

Nonetheless I'm sure it'll become a big hit among the vibe coder contingent.
 
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Least Concern said:
Babe, wake up, Vercel is doing some stupid shit again.

Zero: The programming language for agents

It's basically Java with some modern niceties like lines not having to end lines with semicolons or define lists of imports at the top of the file, and what seems to be a pretty broad standard library. Looking through some of the code samples, my biggest objection is that functions aren't labeled with "function" or "func" or "fn," but "fun." Puke.

I really don't see the point, though. Other programming languages already exist that have a lot more examples and documentation out there on the web and whatever training stacks a given LLM model will already be using, so in the end, at least for now, they've made Yet Another Programming Language that they're billing as being "for agents" but which no agent is actually going to know how to use unless you point it at the GitHub repo and tell it to study it first, and even then I doubt it will be able to write as well as other languages that have decades of documentation and source code available.

Nonetheless I'm sure it'll become a big hit among the vibe coder contingent.
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i also think that being so verbose will polute the context with a shit ton of tokens, making not that good for LLMs in the first place

also the compiler itself implements dynamic array functions ten billion times
 
Least Concern said:
Babe, wake up, Vercel is doing some stupid shit again.

Zero: The programming language for agents

It's basically Java with some modern niceties like not having to end lines with semicolons or define lists of imports at the top of the file, and what seems to be a pretty broad standard library. Looking through some of the code samples, my biggest objection is that functions aren't labeled with "function" or "func" or "fn," but "fun." Puke.

I really don't see the point, though. Other programming languages already exist that have a lot more examples and documentation out there on the web and whatever training stacks a given LLM model will already be using, so in the end, at least for now, they've made Yet Another Programming Language that they're billing as being "for agents" but which no agent is actually going to know how to use unless you point it at the GitHub repo and tell it to study it first, and even then I doubt it will be able to write as well as other languages that have decades of documentation and source code available.

Nonetheless I'm sure it'll become a big hit among the vibe coder contingent.
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Zero is the perfect name, because that’s gonna be the max number of users.
 
I'm currently working in a Rust-first AI generated niggerhell. Whenever I ask basic questions like "why is this diagram wrong?" or "why is this PR 1 million lines?" I get looks like I stepped on a baby. Nobody I'm working with has any software development experience, they're all "AI engineers." Gonna have another Therac incident sooner rather than later.
The only power you have left is to not be the one named in the commit logs rubber-stamping merges during "code reviews."
 
Least Concern said:
Babe, wake up, Vercel is doing some stupid shit again.

Zero: The programming language for agents

It's basically Java with some modern niceties like not having to end lines with semicolons or define lists of imports at the top of the file, and what seems to be a pretty broad standard library. Looking through some of the code samples, my biggest objection is that functions aren't labeled with "function" or "func" or "fn," but "fun." Puke.

I really don't see the point, though. Other programming languages already exist that have a lot more examples and documentation out there on the web and whatever training stacks a given LLM model will already be using, so in the end, at least for now, they've made Yet Another Programming Language that they're billing as being "for agents" but which no agent is actually going to know how to use unless you point it at the GitHub repo and tell it to study it first, and even then I doubt it will be able to write as well as other languages that have decades of documentation and source code available.

Nonetheless I'm sure it'll become a big hit among the vibe coder contingent.
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This looks like Rust / Typescript and feels like some rewum-boosting Jeet project.

Also, what could possibly go wrong with using zero as a file extension? Nothing, surely. 😅

I'll stick to Go, thanks.
 
Least Concern said:
I really don't see the point, though. Other programming languages already exist that have a lot more examples and documentation out there on the web and whatever training stacks a given LLM model will already be using
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Sounds like you understand how these models work more than the people making said language. Genuinely, the only reason they do so well at certain coding tasks is that a lot of it existed in their training set (that's why they're good at typeshit.)

A new programming language will mean that the models will be essentially guessing based on other programming languages. Unless of course they train a specialised model on it and make you use that. Even still, it'll be hallucinating functions left right and center until there's enough training data.
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I'm currently working in a Rust-first AI generated niggerhell. Whenever I ask basic questions like "why is this diagram wrong?" or "why is this PR 1 million lines?" I get looks like I stepped on a baby. Nobody I'm working with has any software development experience, they're all "AI engineers." Gonna have another Therac incident sooner rather than later.
The only power you have left is to not be the one named in the commit logs rubber-stamping merges during "code reviews."
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This is the hell I am trying to avoid. I don't think AI is inherently bad or even useless. But I have enough problems with people not understanding best practices and how to write good code already without it.

A good example is that I repeatedly have to mention memory management, and that the solution isn't to just increase the memory of our kubernetes pods when dealing with large amounts of data. E.g. that we should actually not be loading whole datasets into memory, and configuring things to stream. It's even in the damn readmes for the projects.

I suppose a positive is that I can call an AI agent a retard if it does these things without HR getting up my ass. That and it "reads" the documentation.
 
Grim replies. I've recently had to endure the dystopian hell that are "AI driven interviews" where you sit and talk to this fuckass fake HR lady egregore for 45 minutes at a time. Isn't it just more work in the end to watch these videos than just reviewing documents and conducting human interviews? Not like HR shitters do anything anyway lol you're essentially creating more busywork by using this trash.
 
Ferryman said:
Grim replies. I've recently had to endure the dystopian hell that are "AI driven interviews" where you sit and talk to this fuckass fake HR lady egregore for 45 minutes at a time. Isn't it just more work in the end to watch these videos than just reviewing documents and conducting human interviews? Not like HR shitters do anything anyway lol you're essentially creating more busywork by using this trash.
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I told a company to get fucked (I used those exact words) when they wanted an AI interview. Those companies wont be around long anyway.
 
Ferryman said:
Grim replies. I've recently had to endure the dystopian hell that are "AI driven interviews" where you sit and talk to this fuckass fake HR lady egregore for 45 minutes at a time. Isn't it just more work in the end to watch these videos than just reviewing documents and conducting human interviews? Not like HR shitters do anything anyway lol you're essentially creating more busywork by using this trash.
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They won't watch it. They'll just have AI summarize it.
 
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