ProjectMoon Megathread - Lobotomy Corporation, Library of Ruina, Limbus Company, etc.

New IDs announced. Edgar Linton Gregor and butler Faust. This season's theme appears to be Castlevania or Bloodborne esque.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
Kinda wish I wasn't lazy and read the book.
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I have been reading the books and having a blast looking at how PM interpreted or changed the source material. I can't wait for Meursault's Canto and see what they do with it. I still hope that they elaborate later on Gregor and Rodya since those are by far the weakest Cantos.
 
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Loving the freakishly depressed Gregor look. Feels a little like how he may be if the thin layer of humor and cynicism keeping him "chill" was boiled away.
 
Great update, they're doing really good with the source material for the story. Last two story nodes seem like they will filter quite a few people.
 
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Great update, they're doing really good with the source material for the story. Last two story nodes seem like they will filter quite a few people.
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Yeah my stock only run has hit quite a few snags. I don’t know if I’m hallucinating but I swear, I’m starting to see the base kits are very well crafted for what they do
 
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Great update, they're doing really good with the source material for the story. Last two story nodes seem like they will filter quite a few people.
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The last (I guess) fight is brutal. If the enemy gets to 45 then you are completely fucked. Not sure if to continue with the Blade lineage team and just hope I'll get a lucky run, or go with a Sinking team.
 
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The last (I guess) fight is brutal. If the enemy gets to 45 then you are completely fucked. Not sure if to continue with the Blade lineage team and just hope I'll get a lucky run, or go with a Sinking team.
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In my experience Sinking team worked better. My other tips are to have some kind of Healing & Sanity generation (Fluid Sac, Representation Emitter kinda, the Buddhist EGOs), because sometimes the boss will just dogpile a low sanity target but you NEED to have that person survive and clash out a mass attack for example.

Other than that, EVADE. If a target has shit fuckloads of clash power (or offense level up) and coins, evades roll high off the rip and nullify entire attacks. In the choice made between a Sinking ID with Evade, versus one without- unless there's some really good EGO on one but not the other, pick the evade user.

Gl chief.
 
Mr. Loland said:
In my experience Sinking team worked better. My other tips are to have some kind of Healing & Sanity generation (Fluid Sac, Representation Emitter kinda, the Buddhist EGOs), because sometimes the boss will just dogpile a low sanity target but you NEED to have that person survive and clash out a mass attack for example.

Other than that, EVADE. If a target has shit fuckloads of clash power (or offense level up) and coins, evades roll high off the rip and nullify entire attacks. In the choice made between a Sinking ID with Evade, versus one without- unless there's some really good EGO on one but not the other, pick the evade user.

Gl chief.
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Yeah just beat both with sinking team. That was the best fight in the game so far with actual team composition being a huge part. Though I hated that if you don't have two first good turns you might as well restart.

While evade is good, Nun Rodion is tanky as shit and can eat any attack with no issues. I tried at first using Umbrella Heath but it's better to take Pequod Heath for the extra tankiness and high rolls. I should put more focus on ego generation but usually the focus battles don't really allow leeway to generate resources. You just want to hope to get lucky to have an ego attack when necessary. I used Nun Rodion and Hong (really good), Castlevania Greg (absolutely amazing though shit Skill 1), Sunshower and Diver Ahab. The last two are probably worse than the two maids, but couldn't roll for Outis.
 
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Fuck me, this chapter hits way harder if you have read the book. There are a lot of references and parallels scattered throughout this chapter.
For those who haven't read the book, the Heathcliff from a mirror world seems to have experienced it almost to the letter. He grew up both close to Catherine and apart due to their social standing. Both loved each other, yet Catherine could not imagine marrying Heathcliff. Instead, she married Linton because she believed that she could raise her and Heathcliff's social status by doing so. Where Limbus differs is in Cathy's death and Heathcliff's response to it. In the book, Heath returns rich after some years away, and he immediately begins his revenge. He gains control of the Heights by taking advantage of Hindley and his addictions. He then begins his revenge against Linton by marrying his younger sister to inherit their manor too. But in a tumultuous argument between Catherine, Heathcliff, and Linton, Catherine dies, lamenting how both Linton and Heathcliff have broken her heart. In the book, Heathcliff, completely heartbroken and driven mad by her death, focuses on punishing the Linton and Earnshaw bloodlines for the suffering that they have caused him and taking Catherine away from him.. But in Limbus, he not only blames others; he also blames himself (and the other versions of himself in the mirror worlds) for her death, bowing to hunt down and slaughter each and every version of himself. I really like how Heathcliff's revenge has been adapted here. A total self-destructive endeavor that leads only to more suffering.
Don't know how this one will end but so far it's my favourite canto by far. I do recommend reading the books before the cantos if you can.
Edit: It just hit me that it would be really funny if the next ID was Heathcliff : Heathcliff? but considering how he bit the dust at the end of the chapter it's highly unlikely.
 
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Edit: It just hit me that it would be really funny if the next ID was Heathcliff : Heathcliff? but considering how he bit the dust at the end of the chapter it's highly unlikely.
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It would be cool if Heath base ID got an upgrade with his moves.

Edit: Alternatively, have Heath season ID be the narrator from the book though I wonder how that will work. I can see a Cathy ID for Ahab that will function the same as NFaust, though that will contradict "in every universe Cathy dies".
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
It would be cool if Heath base ID got an upgrade with his moves.

Edit: Alternatively, have Heath season ID be the narrator from the book though I wonder how that will work. I can see a Cathy ID for Ahab that will function the same as NFaust, though that will contradict "in every universe Cathy dies".
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His Ego breaking is a big deal, it looked a LOT like a... corruption? From Envy to Wrath, to the background, to the damage, it all screams that Heathcliff manifested some actual, genuine, star of the city level EGO for a split second.

As for changing the base IDs, probably not too much, The boss fights are actually designed around the base IDs and I'm not meming when I say that the last three are easily equally matched with some of Ruina's best. Heath is actually one of the stronger ones, and the extend that this Canto Pushes it to it's limit is genuinely impressive, down to you being forced to use bodybag instead of chain of others for once.
 
While playing the Mirror Dungeon (tried Bloody Mist for the first time, holy shit it's easy mode), you can get a good look of some CGs that appeared in the end of part 2 with some of them being very interesting. Is there a way to see all CGs in-game?

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His Ego breaking is a big deal, it looked a LOT like a... corruption? From Envy to Wrath, to the background, to the damage, it all screams that Heathcliff manifested some actual, genuine, star of the city level EGO for a split second.

As for changing the base IDs, probably not too much, The boss fights are actually designed around the base IDs and I'm not meming when I say that the last three are easily equally matched with some of Ruina's best. Heath is actually one of the stronger ones, and the extend that this Canto Pushes it to it's limit is genuinely impressive, down to you being forced to use bodybag instead of chain of others for once.
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At the very least adding more coin tosses on attacks will be nice, from how I remember a lot of them tend to have single coin toss attacks that aren't S1 only and aren't strong enough to warrant the risk.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
At the very least adding more coin tosses on attacks will be nice, from how I remember a lot of them tend to have single coin toss attacks that aren't S1 only and aren't strong enough to warrant the risk.
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That’s actually the point, I’ll use Ishmael for an example, she’s tanky, fast as fuck, with a block dice but her clashes are terrible at low SP and great at High SP. Which is, Ismael's gimmick on the LCB team. IIRC loggerhead is a 4-15, where enemy 2 coins tend to be 4-14s. Give loggerhead 2 coins and Ish is suddenly a better Outis

In a way, everyone is so shit you can’t really touch one without fucking everything up.
 
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Fields Of Rye said:
That’s actually the point, I’ll use Ishmael for an example, she’s tanky, fast as fuck, with a block dice but her clashes are terrible at low SP and great at High SP. Which is, Ismael's gimmick on the LCB team. IIRC loggerhead is a 4-15, where enemy 2 coins tend to be 4-14s. Give loggerhead 2 coins and Ish is suddenly a better Outis

In a way, everyone is so shit you can’t really touch one without fucking everything up.
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Still, I feel like it would integrate with the plot if the base IDs got better with experience, or at least get supportive abilities to make them clash better.

I don't know if others will like it, but having stuff like rooms in mirror dungeons limiting your IDs, or status effect to return to base IDs will give combat a lot more variation than 2-3 rounds of sink or swim and then very little variation.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Still, I feel like it would integrate with the plot if the base IDs got better with experience, or at least get supportive abilities to make them clash better.

I don't know if others will like it, but having stuff like rooms in mirror dungeons limiting your IDs, or status effect to return to base IDs will give combat a lot more variation than 2-3 rounds of sink or swim and then very little variation.
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I expect at some point we are going to see theme challenges, especially with the LCB crew, there are too many very, very well made fights that most people just clashed through.

As much as I shill the base experience, it would filter like, everyone.
 
Fields Of Rye said:
I expect at some point we are going to see theme challenges, especially with the LCB crew, there are too many very, very well made fights that most people just clashed through.

As much as I shill the base experience, it would filter like, everyone.
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blade lineage team go brrrrrrrrrr
 
Maid Ryoshu is real.
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I expect her to be a solo pull or be acompanied by butler Sinclair as a 00 ID.
 
Sulla said:
ok conspiracy time, you think these maid id's are an attempt to save face from that autism scandal a couple of months ago?
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Nah, el director doesn't seem like someone that cares too much about that given how he handled it. Besides, the IDs actually look like traditional butlers and maids. If he would have tried to appeal to the crowd that complained about the game not having IDs in bikinis, Ishmael having a wetsuit instead of a swimsuit and Sinclair having his shirt undone, then he would have made these IDs look sexier or reveal more skin or made all the women maids like Ryoshu instead of butlers (Unlike butler Outis and Faust).
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Though I hated that if you don't have two first good turns you might as well restart.
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>fight starts
>he rolls 5 speed
>all of your units also roll 5 speed or less
>instant restart
Bravo El Director, you got me good this time. Honestly feel like he should always get 1 speed on turn 1, so you get punished for failing the reading check, instead of being punished for clicking play.

Beat him with a burning team after a bunch of attempts because the only sinking units I have leveled and uptied are all Ishmaels. Sometimes it really felt like I'd lose one clash and he'd instantly reset to full sanity and rape me, but after setting him on fire hard enough it just worked out.

edit after playing through some of part 3: El Director, you actually got me, you fucking son of a bitch.
 
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