Pseudocontrarianism - Taking a stand in favor of the dominant cultural regime while acting as if you're the minority view

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I'll go ahead and use a very prominent example: "Trans rights are human rights!" It's not contrarian because we're forced to accept transgendered people or else. We're not allowed to disagree with the whole premise of transgendered people. If you do, then consider your life ruined. Despite all that, the establishment insists that somehow transgenderism is contrarian. Never mind that transgendered people are disproportionally favored by the establishment.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here. That was also low-hanging fruit. All in all, I know what you're talking about and I agree wholeheartedly.
 
Angry Alt Right Nerd said:
Yes, but you're kind of asking for this whenever you go "lol who cares if everyone who matters is against me, they only make up 0.0001% of the population, the vast majority of nobodies agree with me"
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I agree. Just saying that being pro-trans is presented as a contrarian position these days even though it's clearly backed by the establishment. Like you said, if you're openly anti-trans then the establishment will waste no time punishing you for your dissent.
 
There are three types here. NPCs parrot what the media tells them. They don't have time to think about the big picture so when the man in the suit on TV acts concerned about something, they act concerned too. After all, it might effect their life as a hair stylist or something, and their NPC friends all say it is important. Then there is the propagandist. Someone who knows it is in their best interest to manipulate the NPC, either because they get paid to and that is their job, or because they need public policy to go in a way that no sane person would ever agree to. Then there is the self interested activist. Someone told them that because they are * that people would be unfair to them, and when they find that life is unfair, they think about that and agree with that being the reason. I mean, an explanation was given, so why analyze it any deeper. It must be * thing.
 
It's been talked here to death, the interesting new phenomenon is of people going against "the current thing" (and I mean completely opposite rather than a nuanced stance) despite it going completely against their supposed worldview (ie, Russia dindu nuffin).

Though in the end it's all pointless bickering while the elites take away our freedoms and property.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Though in the end it's all pointless bickering while the elites take away our freedoms and property.
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That'd be insightful if we actually even know accurately who the Elites are. According to the right wing, my trailer trash ass is among the "Elite".
 
MT Foxtrot said:
Alex Jones and Elon Musk look pretty loaded....do they count?
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I'll be surprised Alex Jones is loaded. But Elon Musk is 100% either an idiot and/or a tool. Beeing Reddit funnyman doesn't remove the fact his EVs are built to destroy freedom of movement. Also Bitcoin and NFTs seem to be better for government tracking and market manipulation by corporations than an alternative form of currency.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'll be surprised Alex Jones is loaded.
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Maybe he doesn't. His net worth is "only" 10 million.

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Still, that Rolex he wears, the pool in that man's house. He ain't working class fo sho.
 
There's a natural desire to rebel in most people. However, rebellion and safety are often in contradiction of each other. To rebel is to upset something that could have consequences for your actions. It's why many Kiwis look at pre-2000s gays and gays in oppressive countries with actual respect and call any millenial-zoomers fat and gay whiners.


Therefore, people form small social circle tribes where they all "rebel" against something in the gentlest way possible as to not actually upset their way of life. Roch socialite kids will talk big shit but won't do something that they know daddy will cut them out of their allowance for, and the same for poor middle aged men and women who scream in their parent's basement while leeching off their paren's resources.


It's nice to have a little "us vs them" in your life. That's why sports are fun and help get excess stress & aggression out, as well as bond us closer to our team. It's another to go to actual battle with your beliefs and have things that are true and honestly on the line.
 
Something I notice is how many leftists claim to be fomer "alt right" or "anti-sjw."

The only thing I can gather from that is that such people were never secure in their beliefs in the first place. They shat on SJWs and political correctness when it was popular, and then joined in with that same woke shit when they perceived it as popular.
 
I have nothing to contribute about the current day, but I'd like to point out that this was SOP in the Warsaw Pact. Any time the regime was threatened, it would organise a "spontaneous" mass demonstration of the workers' support for the regime against "bourgeois interests" or "concern capitalism" or what have you. They were bussed in from factories under threat of being fired, given well-printed "hand-made" signs and banners and pictures of the leaders. It was at one of these "spontaneous" demonstrations that Ceausescu gave his famous speech in 1989, which led to him being boo-ed and then shot.
 
I always kind of think of this as the "Reddit mentality". Like how the people who frequent the main subreddits have this habit of latching on to some group of fringe weirdos (anti-vaxers, flat earthers, people who shill MLM schemes, etc.), acting as if everyone agrees with them and they pose some kind of great threat to society, and then acting like they’re doing something revolutionary by publicly disagreeing with them.

Meanwhile, in reality, nobody likes those fringe weirdos. It's just that the rest of us don't get off on feeling self-righteous over it.
 
I think you're overthinking this to an extent. It's simply a matter of narrative convenience both on the collective and individual level. It's hard to rationalize violence and general extremism when you acknowledge yourself as the one in power. It goes from a necessary evil to malicious cruelty. Very very very few people can rationalize doing something they acknowledge is evil, so they just tweak a couple of the parameters in their brain to make their evil acts not seem so evil, teehee :^).
 
Its because its plain as day that the establishment is corrupt to the core, now everyone loves to larp as being an anti establishment free thinker.

Keep in mind these same people:

* Support politicians (Trump, AOC, etc)

* Want to oppress and humiliate their disliked groups(Blacks, whites, ETC)

* Have fears over ridiculous non issues pushed by the establishment

* Pretend they hate the rich, until it comes to their preffered billionaires

This is the issue with modern politics, nobody is honest with the practical reality of their beliefs.
 
It's because a large chunk of people are sheep, to put it bluntly. They don't have any strong opinions of their own, and instead go with whatever the popular herd opinion is to ensure that they can keep their place in the social ladder intact, and stick with it until it's no longer the popular thing to be - where they then immediately abandon it. It's not exclusive to any political ideology, as there are people that actually have strong opinions of almost every ideology, and would stick to their guns even if their ideology was demonized by almost everyone.

I'd suggest waiting to see if we get a sudden shift in what the "acceptable" opinion is on something major in society to tell if someone is like this - if their opinion suddenly flips to continue being the trendy opinion, then they're 100% guaranteed to be one. I guarantee that if you took a bunch of the supporters of "The Current Thing" and dumped them in 1930's Germany, most (but not all) of them would be boot-licking fascists by the end of the year.
SwanSwanson said:
Its because its plain as day that the establishment is corrupt to the core, now everyone loves to larp as being an anti establishment free thinker.

Keep in mind these same people:

* Support politicians (Trump, AOC, etc)

* Want to oppress and humiliate their disliked groups(Blacks, whites, ETC)

* Have fears over ridiculous non issues pushed by the establishment

* Pretend they hate the rich, until it comes to their preffered billionaires

This is the issue with modern politics, nobody is honest with the practical reality of their beliefs.
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The thing is, most of these people claim to be anti-establishment and pro-democracy, but deep down they're 100% pro-authoritarian and pro-establishment, on the condition that the establishment agrees with them.
 
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