Culture Pulse Shooting May not have been about homophobia - Shooter not only an ISIS supporter but also an idiot

New evidence shows the Pulse nightclub shooting wasn’t about anti-LGBTQ hate
The trial of the Pulse nightclub shooter’s wife dramatically changed the narrative about the deadly attack.
By Jane Coastonjane.coaston@vox.com Apr 5, 2018, 2:30pm EDT

It’s been nearly two years since the mass shooting at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, that killed 49 people — widely believed to be an act of aggression against the club’s LGBTQ clientele and “undeniably a homophobic hate crime.” There’s now conclusive evidence that the shooter wasn’t intending to target LGBTQ people at all.

In fact, he allegedly had no idea Pulse was a gay club, and simply Googled “Orlando nightclubs” after finding that security at his original target, a major shopping and entertainment complex, was too high, as reported by ClickOrlando.com.

This evidence dramatically changes the mass shooting’s narrative; politicians and individuals across the political spectrum had positioned it as an anti-LGBTQ hate crime. Instead, the new evidence suggests, the Pulse nightclub shooting was intended as revenge for US anti-terror policies abroad.

The evidence emerged during the trial of the shooter’s wife, Noor Salman, whom the federal government charged with aiding and abetting and obstruction of justice. Federal prosecutors argued that Salman had helped her husband plan and orchestrate the attack. She was acquitted by a jury last Friday, a rare occurrence when most defendants accused of terror charges accept plea deals and the average conviction rate in such cases is above 90 percent.

The shooter’s motive was apparently revenge for United States bombing campaigns on ISIS targets in the Middle East. He had pledged allegiance to ISIS’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and during the Pulse shooting posted to Facebook, “You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes. ... Now taste the Islamic state vengeance.” In his final post, he wrote, “In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa.”

Salman’s attorneys introduced evidence showing that, far from assisting the shooter, she was a victim of her husband’s abuse, including frequent beatings and sexual assault.

The Pulse nightclub shooting was the deadliest attack on LGBTQ people in American history, and liberals and conservatives — including then-presidential candidate Donald Trump — assumed the shooting was based on the victims’ sexual orientation and gender identity. Trump and other Republicans attempted to use their response to the shooting to argue that they were true pro-LGBTQ advocates because of their support for immigration restrictions aimed at Muslims.

In a speech on June 13, the day after the shooting, Trump said, “This is a very dark moment in America’s history. A radical Islamic terrorist targeted the nightclub, not only because he wanted to kill Americans, but in order to execute gay and lesbian citizens, because of their sexual orientation.” The following day at a North Carolina rally Trump said, “We want to live in a country where gay and lesbian Americans and all Americans are safe from radical Islam, which, by the way, wants to murder and has murdered gays and they enslave women.”

During Trump’s speech at the Republican National Convention where he accepted his party’s presidential nomination, he said, “Only weeks ago, in Orlando, Florida, 49 wonderful Americans were savagely murdered by an Islamic terrorist. This time, the terrorist targeted the LGBTQ community. No good. And we’re going to stop it. As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology.”

But the evidence shows otherwise. The shooter didn’t target LGBTQ people — he didn’t even realize Pulse was a gay-oriented nightclub, asking a security guard at the club where all the women were just before he started shooting.

After a mass shooting, observers, including journalists, often search for a motive, sometimes even before the first victims have been identified. But the Pulse shooting proves that initial narratives about mass shooters’ motivations are often wrong — and those narratives can be far more powerful than the truth.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/5/17202026/pulse-shooting-lgbtq-trump-terror-hate
 
His poor wife, she has pretty severe learning disabilities in addition to her husband beating her up iirc. Making her go through this trial, leaving her alone to raise their kid in infamy...he's fucking up her life from beyond the grave.
 
He was obviously crazy but nobody believed he was fucking Goofy.
I see what you did there :tomgirl:

Also fucking VOX making it about Trump at the halfway point in the article is pretty shitty. When a dude goes full Allahu Ackbar on a gay night club it's really hard not to believe that gay extermination wasn't his motivation. Asking where the women are doesn't mean he didn't know what he was shooting up, it could just mean he was bummed he wouldn't be gunning down lesbians at the same time. On top on that ISIS loves gay extermination.
 
I would like to ask Why does your take or any take on his motivation have any impact on what he did?

I mean seriously, there becomes a point where society ends and personal responsibility begins, I mean in the last 10 - 20 years things have changed, being Gay is pretty much accepted at this point in any western country it's only in more conservative cultures (can be read as Traditional or underdeveloped) but he was living in a society that at the moment is positively Gay positive.

Rather than making a difficult decision to be who he was and damn what his family thinks or decides to toe his family's line and has at best an OK life and maybe not a fulfilling one (possibly with lots of questionable friendships) this is something unpleasant that closeted people do all the time. Out of this global population less than 0.0000000000000000001 of that number in the millions decides that "lol no I'm not the problem they are" then kills a bunch of people.

This is the sort of thinking that starts in a good place but falls not just wide of the mark but misses it entirely, for a lot of SJW thinkers (that took an effort to write) or people pushing that agenda of other means, I can't think of one Western Country where homosexual people are persecuted (they have difficulties sure but in urban areas it's mostly OK even if you don't have a pride paraid), but off the top of my head I can think of dozens of near western and non-western ones where they are and maybe the problems begins there.

I mean there is a Polish family about 3 doors down from me that I have known on and off for the last 12 years, Couple met in Poland moved to the UK settled here and have assimilated the only outlier in this is their children are Bi-Lingual, Lena and Kris spoke Polish as home and English as well and well just fit in and their eldest daughter has the most impressive Scouse accent (spiced with polish swearing from time to time) they fit in there kids go to school and other than the odd spelling of there names on Christmas cards and intresting Beer and Saussage etc they are just part of our community.

On the other side of that coin, there is an Indian family down the street who send their kids to the local school but don't let them play out, who actively don't mix (even on waving to there neighbours level) I mean I walk past this house at the weekend and see those kids looking out the window wanting to play but are not allowed to, I mean they don't even do neighbourly pleasantries such as Oh it's bin day we have a shared bin area I'll pull yours out for collection as well.

It is little things like that such as not letting your kids play together, or engaging in common pleasantries that screaming a resistance to integration and what allows problems to fester, and this happens in all communities that are too foreign to exist side by side that have no common grounding. What is sad is it gets glossed over that this happens and is ignored until a backwards social construct has an effect on the wider population just doing their thing that we all accept as normal or at least understandable.

You cant have your feet in both rivers and expect them to be nice, you need to pick one and go with that and try and hope you can bring what you like of your old river with you that might not always be possible but neither is living two lives.
 
His poor wife, she has pretty severe learning disabilities in addition to her husband beating her up iirc. Making her go through this trial, leaving her alone to raise their kid in infamy...he's fucking up her life from beyond the grave.
Yea they seem like a time bomb that America will pay for both when Jr does the same thing and as they live on welfare.

At best he probably felt lucky he happened to kill lgbt people. I'm not 100% I'd listen to a battered Muslim women pulse just got a short straw of who to attack.
 
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Yea they seem like a time bomb that America will pay for both when Jr does the same thing and as they live on welfare.

At best he probably felt lucky he happened to kill lgbt people. I'm not 100% I'd listen to a battered Muslim women pulse just got a short straw of who to attack.
On the plus side, part of his legacy is everyone debating if he was a closet fag which would have enraged him to no end. He picked the only target that caused the public to question his sexuality. Do they revoke your virgins for that in the afterlife?
 
I wonder if all the people shouting about how this shooting was caused by America's hateful homophobic culture will admit they were wrong


I thought the discussion at the time was about race for some reason.

Guess it's definitely about "race" now but in a different way.
 
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This is perhaps the most dumbest spin on any article yet. That's like saying, "9/11 wasn't the result of Islamic terrorism, but because they were angry at the world and George Bush is dumb btw".
 
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