Push to Require Clergy to Report Child Rape Stalls in Mormon Utah

A push to mandate members of religious clergy report child sexual abuse when it's brought to their attention is facing pushback from churches throughout the United States

By Associated Press

March 1, 2023, at 1:01 a.m.

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Lindsey Lundholm looked out over hundreds of people at the Utah State Capitol last year and felt a deep sense of healing. Abuse survivors, religious leaders and major party politicians were all gathered to rally for an end to a legal loophole that exempts religious clergy from being required to report child sexual abuse once it comes to their attention.

Lundholm, one of the rally's organizers, recalled telling the crowd how, growing up as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Idaho, she told her bishop about her painful abuse only to see it go unreported.

Unearthing the trauma wasn't easy, but back in August she hoped reforms could be forthcoming so others would not face what she did.

“There was really a lot of momentum," said Lundholm, now a teacher in northern Utah. “Everyone we were talking to was like, ‘This is a no brainer. This is something that needs to be changed.’”

It hasn't.

Proposals to reform laws that exempt clergy from child sex abuse reporting requirements went nowhere in Utah’s statehouse this year, failing to receive even a hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn for the year. Efforts were stymied by a coalition of powerful religious groups, continuing a yearslong pattern in which Catholics, Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses have defended the exemptions as survivors like Lundholm fight for reform.

In Utah, where the majority of lawmakers are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, state law requires most professionals — therapists, doctors and teachers among them — report abuse, yet clergy are exempt from alerting authorities about abuse they learn of through confessions.

Republicans and Democrats announced plans last year to reform laws that exempt religious clergy from reporting child sexual abuse cases revealed in conversations with parishioners.

Behind-the-scenes conversations between legislative leaders in Utah and what Senate President Stuart Adams said was “a broad base of religious groups” helped thwart four separate proposals to add clergy to the list of professionals required to report child sexual abuse.

“I think they have First Amendment rights and religious protections,” Adams, a Latter-day Saint himself, said, noting fears among religious leaders that clergy could be punished for breaking vows of confidentiality.

Each proposal was introduced or announced after an Associated Press investigation found that the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' sexual abuse reporting hotline can be misused by its leaders to divert abuse accusations away from law enforcement and instead to church attorneys who may bury the problem, leaving victims in harm’s way.

In lawsuits detailed in the investigation, attorneys from the faith widely known as the Mormon church have argued clergy-penitent privilege allows them to refuse to answer questions and turn over documents about alleged sexual abuse.

Church officials declined to comment about the stalled legislative efforts. The Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City did not respond to requests for comment but campaigned against them, saying in January that priests and clergy were different from other professionals mandated to report sexual abuse.

“Legislation that would require a priest to (report sexual abuse) violates our right to practice our religion,” Bishop Oscar Solis, of the Salt Lake City Diocese, wrote in a Jan. 25 letter to parishioners.

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox last month said he “had no problem with the bills moving forward” and receiving consideration in the statehouse.

“I think it’s an important conversation to have. We’ve encouraged the Legislature to look at this and make sure that our model is the right model,” he told reporters.

Marci Hamilton, chief executive of the abuse prevention nonprofit Child USA, said churches have maintained the same playbook for decades in opposing more disclosure.

Routinely it involves a two-pronged approach, defending clergy-penitent privilege in statehouses and using it to avoid damaging disclosures in court cases, said Hamilton, also a University of Pennsylvania law professor.

"They have not veered from it. Both institutions are hoping that time will simply let everybody start trusting them again," Hamilton said, referring to Catholics and Latter-day Saints.

But, she added, "by preventing the public — and especially the sincere believers — from getting the full story you don’t create the accountability that these organizations should be held to and the secrets continue.”

“The problem in the United States — and this is particularly acute in state like Utah — is that the lobbying power of these religious organizations is so extraordinary,” Hamilton said.

Laws in 33 states exempt clergy — regardless of religion — from laws requiring people report child sexual abuse allegations to authorities. Religious leaders have systematically fought efforts to expand the list of states. They currently oppose efforts from Vermont to Washington, where a proposal advanced through the state Senate Tuesday.

Kansas lawmakers introduced multiple proposals on penalties for not reporting suspected child sexual abuse, including one in the state Senate that would have added clergy to a list of mandatory reporters. It faced especially fierce public rebukes from Catholic leaders because it didn’t exempt confessions. No proposal received even a hearing before an initial deadline this year.

In the wake of the AP's investigation last year, Republican state Rep. Phil Lyman and Democratic Rep. Angela Romero announced plans to reform Utah's clergy-penitent privilege loophole. Lyman, who served six years as a Latter-day Saints' bishop, said at the time lawmakers should want to reexamine the loophole “regardless of religious or political affiliation.”

“People should be able to go and confess their sins to their bishop without fear of being prosecuted up until when they are confessing something that has affected someone’s else life significantly,” he told the AP in August.

Lyman ultimately released a proposal that broadly affirmed clergy's exemption from mandatory reporting. It didn't advance or receive any hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn Friday. He did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Proposals from Democratic Reps. Romero and Brian King, and Sen. Stephanie Pitcher to close or narrow the loophole have also not moved forward amid opposition from religious groups.

Both Pitcher and Romero, who is Catholic, said they planned to reintroduce their proposals next year.

“With AP uncovering what they uncovered, you'd think this would be a matter of urgency for this Legislature and for Legislatures across the country. But again we are allowing these institutions to dictate what we mandate,” Romero said, referring to the Catholic Church.

Several Utah lawmakers told AP that opponents of limiting clergy-penitent privilege regarding child sexual abuse had circulated research that they claimed suggests mandatory reporting reform doesn't result in more confirmed reports of sexual abuse and may deter perpetrators from speaking to clergy.

“What most of the research shows is that if people aren’t able to come to them for fear of being reported on, they’re not able to provide the help and support they need,” Sen. Ann Milner said.

However, conclusions drawn from the study, which the Catholic Diocese also circulated in opposition to a similar bill from Romero in three years ago, have been challenged by its authors.

University of Michigan law professor Frank Vandervort and his co-author, Vincent Palusci, a pediatrics professor at New York University, told the AP last year the study was limited, partly because churches often wouldn’t give them access to relevant data.
“A single article should not be the basis for making policy decisions,” Vandervort said. “It may be entirely the case that there’s no connection between the changing of the laws and the number of reports.”

Lundholm said Utah lawmakers adjourning without having a “true public discussion” on any clergy-penitent privilege reform proposal provoked eerily familiar feelings for survivors. Though she never expected political change to happen overnight, she said survivors like her who had abuse go unreported — once again — feel unheard.

“Maybe the worst part is that this is something that survivors experience often, and unfortunately, it’s rare when their stories are heard,” she said.
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The story has been updated to correct the spelling of the first name of Lindsey Lundholm.
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Associated Press writers Joey Cappelletti in Lansing, Michigan, and John Hanna in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.
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Mormons are a religious and cultural group related to Mormonism, the principal branch of the Latter Day Saint movement

The Latter Day Saint movement (also called the LDS movement, LDS restorationist movement, or Smith–Rigdon movement)[1] is the collection of independent church groups that trace their origins to a Christian Restorationist movement founded by Joseph Smith in the late 1820s.
Mormons are not Christians. Chrsitians don't recognize Joseph Smith as a prophet or his autsitic fanfiction as scripture. It's the same with Muslims and Muhammad and the Quran, which would be a more logical comparison.

How can I be mad at someone too dumb to reason with?
Okay, for what other reason could you be telling people not to report and investigate accuations of child rape? Gee I wonder. lol
 
Mormons are not Christians. Chrsitians don't recognize Joseph Smith as a prophet or his autsitic fanfiction as scripture. It's the same with Muslims and Muhammad and the Quran, which would be a more logical comparison.
Protestants don’t recognize the Pope as the head of their church. With Islam, other sects won’t recognize each other as real Muslims based on how they view the succession to Muhammad (hence the Shia and Sunni split). I take it you have yet to learn basics of other religions.
Okay, for what other reason could you be telling people not to report and investigate accuations of child rape? Gee I wonder. lol
Never said that, I only said that false reports and the fakers not getting penalized poison the well. I don’t like abuse, but I also don’t like innocent people having their lives ruined over false abuse accusations.
 
Mormons are not Christians. Chrsitians don't recognize Joseph Smith as a prophet or his autsitic fanfiction as scripture. It's the same with Muslims and Muhammad and the Quran, which would be a more logical comparison.

Mormons have a scriptural canon consisting of the Bible (both Old and New Testaments), the Book of Mormon, and a collection of revelations and writings by Joseph Smith known as the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price.


That's more than Muslims.
 
Protestants don’t recognize the Pope as the head of their church. With Islam, other sects won’t recognize each other as real Muslims based on how they view the succession to Muhammad (hence the Shia and Sunni split). I take it you have yet to learn basics of other religions.
Mormons have a scriptural canon consisting of the Bible (both Old and New Testaments), the Book of Mormon, and a collection of revelations and writings by Joseph Smith known as the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price.


That's more than Muslims.

Mormons are not Christians. While there is differences between branches of Christianity, none of them are as insanely deep and cavernous as those between Mormon dogma and any Christian church.

 
Mormons are not Christians. While there is differences between branches of Christianity, none of them are as insanely deep and cavernous as those between Mormon dogma and any Christian church.

The Apocrypha is only recognized in Catholicism as actual doctrine. It isn’t recognized in Protestant sects. If we’re going to be talking about what a true Christian is, certain sects will recognize things as doctrine while others won’t.
 
The Apocrypha is only recognized in Catholicism as actual doctrine. It isn’t recognized in Protestant sects. If we’re going to be talking about what a true Christian is, certain sects will recognize things as doctrine while others won’t.
The Catholic apocrypha doesn't directly contradict the rest of the Bible like the Mormon books do. Seriously, watch that video and tell me that stuff about space harems, Native American Jew battles, and people becoming "gods" is in line with the Bible and Christian teaching in any church.

Hell, the Quran probably has less contradictions than the Book of Mormon, Book of Moses, etc. Furhter more, these texts were written in the 19th century by a known bullshitter. The Biblical canon just doesn't transform like that in a real church. I think other apocrypha have value, but those are ancient texts, not something a conman wrote in the 1800's.
 
The Catholic apocrypha doesn't directly contradict the rest of the Bible like the Mormon books do. Seriously, watch that video and tell me that stuff about space harems, Native American Jew battles, and people becoming "gods" is in line with the Bible and Christian teaching in any church.

Hell, the Quran probably has less contradictions than the Book of Mormon, Book of Moses, etc. Furhter more, these texts were written in the 19th century by a known bullshitter. The Biblical canon just doesn't transform like that in a real church. I think other apocrypha have value, but those are ancient texts, not something a conman wrote in the 1800's.

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Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and will come back to Earth, does that make them Christians?

Here's the video again in case you didn't watch it:


Explain how all that narrative information correlates with the teachings of Christianity please. Just plastering a screenshot is not going to work here. I don't know why you two are choosing this hill to die on. Literally no one is going to agree with you. The only ones other than Mormons that think that are atheists who don't know what they're talking about.
 
Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and will come back to Earth, does that make them Christians?

Here's the video again in case you didn't watch it:


Explain how all that narrative information correlates with the teachings of Christianity please. Just plastering a screenshot is not going to work here. I don't know why you two are choosing this hill to die on. Literally no one is going to agree with you. The only ones other than Mormons that think that are atheists who don't know what they're talking about.

You are getting too in the Weeds. Mormonism is derived from Christianity. Mormons consider themselves Christian. And I'm pretty sure the FBI/DOJ, not up on inter-Christian politics, will put them under the umbrella of Christian.
 
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You are getting too in the Weeds. Mormonism is derived from Christianity. Mormons consider themselves Christian. And I'm pretty sure the FBI/DOJ, not up on inter-Christian politics, will put them under the umbrella of Christian.
Who cares what they consider themselves? Trannies consider themselves women.
 
Who cares what they consider themselves? Trannies consider themselves women.

I don't know why you have gotten your hackles up over this particular point. Men and Women are a biological reality. Revisions and contradictions and interpretations of old books have always existed.
 
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I don't know why you have gotten your hackles up over this particular point. Men and Women are a biological reality. Revisions and contradictions and interpretations of old books have always existed.
Point is you don't need to be a theologian to know Mormonism isn't Christianity any more than you need to be a biologist to know men in dresses aren't women.
 
You are getting too in the Weeds. Mormonism is derived from Christianity. Mormons consider themselves Christian. And I'm pretty sure the FBI/DOJ, not up on inter-Christian politics, will put them under the umbrella of Christian.
LOL you're citing the FBI and DOJ as a source? What is this autism?

Something being "derived" from something else does not make it that thing. Islam is also derived from Judaism (and Christianity), but Muslims are not Jews.

At most Mormonism is an 1800's mystery cult imo. If it was a true church, it would at least stick to the Bible (with or without apocrypha). It's not the only cult like that that is still existent either. The others are just not as famous or well funded as Mormonism or Scientology.
 
"Dude the adults shouldn't have to report the children being raped, because the kids could do it later." What if the child is too afraid to do anything else about it? What if the child ends up dead? In that case, the priest has some culpability much like a spouse that just looks the other way when her husband is doing the abuse. Good god, you're placing legalistic nonsense over stopping a child from being harmed. I'd say justice in that case would be putting a bullet in both the abuser and the priest's heads. They're both going to hell anyways.
The confessional isn't quite as broad as it once was. If a child tells a Priest that he or she had been raped the Priest is not without some options. The Privilege of the Confessional extends only to the Child in that case. If the child names the abuser, he isn't protected. The problem is the Priest cannot bring the victims name or details to the police. he can (and they do these days. The Catholic Church was burned badly by the Pedo Priests) raise a red flag regarding the abuser, as long as it does not directly point at the victim. The other things he can do is encourage the child to tell their story. even offer to go with them to report it. Also remember not every conversation with a Priest is a confession or is under the privileges of the confessional. Most Catholic Churches are also schools. And for anything said or notice in that context Priests and Staff are Mandatory reporters in most states. And Confession doesn't start until the kid hits a certain age. Generally somewhere between 11 and 14. Prior to that no privilege exists. If the kid tells you Fat Uncle Joe fucked them in the ass, the good father drops the dime.

The real problem for the Priest is if the abuser comes in and confesses.
 
The confessional isn't quite as broad as it once was. If a child tells a Priest that he or she had been raped the Priest is not without some options. The Privilege of the Confessional extends only to the Child in that case. If the child names the abuser, he isn't protected. The problem is the Priest cannot bring the victims name or details to the police. he can (and they do these days. The Catholic Church was burned badly by the Pedo Priests) raise a red flag regarding the abuser, as long as it does not directly point at the victim. The other things he can do is encourage the child to tell their story. even offer to go with them to report it. Also remember not every conversation with a Priest is a confession or is under the privileges of the confessional. Most Catholic Churches are also schools. And for anything said or notice in that context Priests and Staff are Mandatory reporters in most states. And Confession doesn't start until the kid hits a certain age. Generally somewhere between 11 and 14. Prior to that no privilege exists. If the kid tells you Fat Uncle Joe fucked them in the ass, the good father drops the dime.

The real problem for the Priest is if the abuser comes in and confesses.
I think my opinion of Catholics has dropped into the basement over this thread. You were negrating me for saying that the priest should report the child abuse, and here you are backing up that argument with legalistic nonsense from your ridiculous hierarchy that has lead to so many child victims it's probably impossible to count.

Here's what the rule should be (you can throw all that nonsense you just typed in the trash), if you hear about a child being abused from the perpetrator, the child or anyone else, you immediately pick up the phone and call the polcie and tell them everything you know. If not, you're a piece of shit no matter who you are (and so are the people who would defend that action).
 
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your ridiculous hierarchy that has lead to so many child victims it's probably impossible to count.

So what you're saying the average Catholic Priest doesn't possess a conscience and wouldn't urge a child to report such an act, or offer any advice on who to report it to? That's a bit of an assumption.

I know shit about Catholics though maybe they have no souls as you've implied.
 
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