Push to Require Clergy to Report Child Rape Stalls in Mormon Utah

A push to mandate members of religious clergy report child sexual abuse when it's brought to their attention is facing pushback from churches throughout the United States

By Associated Press

March 1, 2023, at 1:01 a.m.

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Lindsey Lundholm looked out over hundreds of people at the Utah State Capitol last year and felt a deep sense of healing. Abuse survivors, religious leaders and major party politicians were all gathered to rally for an end to a legal loophole that exempts religious clergy from being required to report child sexual abuse once it comes to their attention.

Lundholm, one of the rally's organizers, recalled telling the crowd how, growing up as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Idaho, she told her bishop about her painful abuse only to see it go unreported.

Unearthing the trauma wasn't easy, but back in August she hoped reforms could be forthcoming so others would not face what she did.

“There was really a lot of momentum," said Lundholm, now a teacher in northern Utah. “Everyone we were talking to was like, ‘This is a no brainer. This is something that needs to be changed.’”

It hasn't.

Proposals to reform laws that exempt clergy from child sex abuse reporting requirements went nowhere in Utah’s statehouse this year, failing to receive even a hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn for the year. Efforts were stymied by a coalition of powerful religious groups, continuing a yearslong pattern in which Catholics, Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses have defended the exemptions as survivors like Lundholm fight for reform.

In Utah, where the majority of lawmakers are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, state law requires most professionals — therapists, doctors and teachers among them — report abuse, yet clergy are exempt from alerting authorities about abuse they learn of through confessions.

Republicans and Democrats announced plans last year to reform laws that exempt religious clergy from reporting child sexual abuse cases revealed in conversations with parishioners.

Behind-the-scenes conversations between legislative leaders in Utah and what Senate President Stuart Adams said was “a broad base of religious groups” helped thwart four separate proposals to add clergy to the list of professionals required to report child sexual abuse.

“I think they have First Amendment rights and religious protections,” Adams, a Latter-day Saint himself, said, noting fears among religious leaders that clergy could be punished for breaking vows of confidentiality.

Each proposal was introduced or announced after an Associated Press investigation found that the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' sexual abuse reporting hotline can be misused by its leaders to divert abuse accusations away from law enforcement and instead to church attorneys who may bury the problem, leaving victims in harm’s way.

In lawsuits detailed in the investigation, attorneys from the faith widely known as the Mormon church have argued clergy-penitent privilege allows them to refuse to answer questions and turn over documents about alleged sexual abuse.

Church officials declined to comment about the stalled legislative efforts. The Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City did not respond to requests for comment but campaigned against them, saying in January that priests and clergy were different from other professionals mandated to report sexual abuse.

“Legislation that would require a priest to (report sexual abuse) violates our right to practice our religion,” Bishop Oscar Solis, of the Salt Lake City Diocese, wrote in a Jan. 25 letter to parishioners.

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox last month said he “had no problem with the bills moving forward” and receiving consideration in the statehouse.

“I think it’s an important conversation to have. We’ve encouraged the Legislature to look at this and make sure that our model is the right model,” he told reporters.

Marci Hamilton, chief executive of the abuse prevention nonprofit Child USA, said churches have maintained the same playbook for decades in opposing more disclosure.

Routinely it involves a two-pronged approach, defending clergy-penitent privilege in statehouses and using it to avoid damaging disclosures in court cases, said Hamilton, also a University of Pennsylvania law professor.

"They have not veered from it. Both institutions are hoping that time will simply let everybody start trusting them again," Hamilton said, referring to Catholics and Latter-day Saints.

But, she added, "by preventing the public — and especially the sincere believers — from getting the full story you don’t create the accountability that these organizations should be held to and the secrets continue.”

“The problem in the United States — and this is particularly acute in state like Utah — is that the lobbying power of these religious organizations is so extraordinary,” Hamilton said.

Laws in 33 states exempt clergy — regardless of religion — from laws requiring people report child sexual abuse allegations to authorities. Religious leaders have systematically fought efforts to expand the list of states. They currently oppose efforts from Vermont to Washington, where a proposal advanced through the state Senate Tuesday.

Kansas lawmakers introduced multiple proposals on penalties for not reporting suspected child sexual abuse, including one in the state Senate that would have added clergy to a list of mandatory reporters. It faced especially fierce public rebukes from Catholic leaders because it didn’t exempt confessions. No proposal received even a hearing before an initial deadline this year.

In the wake of the AP's investigation last year, Republican state Rep. Phil Lyman and Democratic Rep. Angela Romero announced plans to reform Utah's clergy-penitent privilege loophole. Lyman, who served six years as a Latter-day Saints' bishop, said at the time lawmakers should want to reexamine the loophole “regardless of religious or political affiliation.”

“People should be able to go and confess their sins to their bishop without fear of being prosecuted up until when they are confessing something that has affected someone’s else life significantly,” he told the AP in August.

Lyman ultimately released a proposal that broadly affirmed clergy's exemption from mandatory reporting. It didn't advance or receive any hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn Friday. He did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Proposals from Democratic Reps. Romero and Brian King, and Sen. Stephanie Pitcher to close or narrow the loophole have also not moved forward amid opposition from religious groups.

Both Pitcher and Romero, who is Catholic, said they planned to reintroduce their proposals next year.

“With AP uncovering what they uncovered, you'd think this would be a matter of urgency for this Legislature and for Legislatures across the country. But again we are allowing these institutions to dictate what we mandate,” Romero said, referring to the Catholic Church.

Several Utah lawmakers told AP that opponents of limiting clergy-penitent privilege regarding child sexual abuse had circulated research that they claimed suggests mandatory reporting reform doesn't result in more confirmed reports of sexual abuse and may deter perpetrators from speaking to clergy.

“What most of the research shows is that if people aren’t able to come to them for fear of being reported on, they’re not able to provide the help and support they need,” Sen. Ann Milner said.

However, conclusions drawn from the study, which the Catholic Diocese also circulated in opposition to a similar bill from Romero in three years ago, have been challenged by its authors.

University of Michigan law professor Frank Vandervort and his co-author, Vincent Palusci, a pediatrics professor at New York University, told the AP last year the study was limited, partly because churches often wouldn’t give them access to relevant data.
“A single article should not be the basis for making policy decisions,” Vandervort said. “It may be entirely the case that there’s no connection between the changing of the laws and the number of reports.”

Lundholm said Utah lawmakers adjourning without having a “true public discussion” on any clergy-penitent privilege reform proposal provoked eerily familiar feelings for survivors. Though she never expected political change to happen overnight, she said survivors like her who had abuse go unreported — once again — feel unheard.

“Maybe the worst part is that this is something that survivors experience often, and unfortunately, it’s rare when their stories are heard,” she said.
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The story has been updated to correct the spelling of the first name of Lindsey Lundholm.
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Associated Press writers Joey Cappelletti in Lansing, Michigan, and John Hanna in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.
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The police are an extension of the state, you goof. You are literally arguing the police shouldn't be called if there's a crime.



The priest should have enough moral fortitude to act to protect a child from sex abuse. The fact you don't want them to is disgusting. I would never go to a church with a clergyman like that. Sounds like a church ran by Satan.



This is closing a loophole exception in another law which has not been overturned by the courts in most states. Other states currently have this loophole closed and it's not been overturned either. If you want to have this autistic fight for priests to shield child predators to go to the supreme court, you're going to have to convince someone like your Mormon buddies to take a case that far with all the negative PR that will entail. Either way, it's currently legal and that's not likely to change anytime soon no matter your views on the constitutional issues. You also claim to be a Christian. Again, Paul told you in Romans to conform to the government's laws.



Yes it is! It's one of the basic functions of government. Why do you think Lori Lightfoot got tossed out in Chicago by her own liberal voter base, because she didn't stop crime and keep people safe. What is hard to understand about this? This is the exact kind of brainwashed mindset I would expect from a cultist. Imagine distrust of the government extending to the idea that you don't think child rape should be prosecuted.
You're trying to win so hard that your argument is tearing itself apart. And suddenly you care what Paul says, lesbian? Mock not the apostles. And clearly you don't understand the separation between the layers of government. Lightfoot was mayor of Chicago, a city. You want the entire STATE of Utah to bear down on a lowly priest. You just wanna rape catholics, clearly. Call your mom, I bet she prays for you every night.
 
Autistic rambling for four paragraphs
So what you're saying is you're a pedophile.

Good job figuring out you can edit quotes btw. If only aping what I do would make daddy look at you during.
This thread needs a poll of
Did you think that headline meant that if clergy found out about a "mormon child rape stall" they would have to report it
Y/N
Come in because of the shittily named thread, stay because you're a pedophile.
 
You're trying to win so hard that your argument is tearing itself apart. And suddenly you care what Paul says, lesbian? Mock not the apostles. And clearly you don't understand the separation between the layers of government. Lightfoot was mayor of Chicago, a city. You want the entire STATE of Utah to bear down on a lowly priest. You just wanna rape catholics, clearly. Call your mom, I bet she prays for you every night.

I'll just use her strawman argument style: She just wants to execute all Catholic Priests.
 
I'll just use her strawman argument style: She just wants to execute all Catholic Priests.
She's then going to say yes.
Be surprised everyone is shocked at her noncery.

And then expects to be taken seriously afterwards.
Including the part where she labels everyone a pedophile and pearl clutches about some stupid shit she pretended to read and comprehend.
 
I'll just use her strawman argument style: She just wants to execute all Catholic Priests.
Execute, murder, rape, diddle, she just wants them fucking cleansed, glassed.
She's then going to say yes.
Be surprised everyone is shocked at her noncery.

And then expects to be taken seriously afterwards.
Including the part where she labels everyone a pedophile and pearl clutches about some stupid shit she pretended to read and comprehend.
Holy shit she top hatted you faster than a nonce at a playground
 
Holy shit she top hatted you faster than a nonce at a playground
pretended to read and comprehend.
Remember how she was bitching about negrates? lmao.

She finally figured out I was doing it to piss her off.
Meaning she was negrating not to piss me off.
MEANING she's buttmad. And projecting. Wonder what else this femcel pedarast is projecting.
 
Lightfoot was mayor of Chicago, a city. You want the entire STATE of Utah to bear down on a lowly priest. You just wanna rape catholics, clearly. Call your mom, I bet she prays for you every night.

Are you so autistic and uneducated you don't understand "the state"doesn't always literally refer to states? lol Is this even for real? You keep surprising me by how fucking stupid you are. And even still, this statement is stupid. Do the police in a city enforce state laws or not, genius?

And clearly you don't understand the separation between the layers of government.

And you need to go back and retake high school. Again, do local police in a city enforce state laws or not?

And suddenly you care what Paul says, lesbian? Mock not the apostles.

You 100 percent don't. Joseph Smith is false prophet. Mormons are not Christians.

you want the entire STATE of Utah to bear down on a lowly priest.

If a priest rapes children or allows them to be raped, yes, that's a great outcome. Fuck that scumbag.

Call your mom, I bet she prays for you every night.

Talk to her all the time. How about you call your 10 moms married to your dad, Mormon? lol
 
Are you so autistic and uneducated you don't understand "the state"doesn't always literally refer to states? lol Is this even for real? You keep surprising me by how fucking stupid you are. And even still, this statement is stupid. Do the police in a city enforce state laws or not, genius?



And you need to go back and retake high school. Again, do local police in a city enforce state laws or not?



You 100 percent don't. Joseph Smith is false prophet. Mormons are not Christians.



If a priest rapes children or allows them to be raped, yes, that's a great outcome. Fuck that scumbag.



Talk to her all the time. How about you call your 10 moms married to your dad, Mormon? lol
Aw what's the matter? You finally figured out being a pearl-clutching faggot doesn't work when you've cried wolf for so many times people think you're a furry, so NOW you want to go back to your hatefuck relationship with the other guy you dedicated 5 threads to just to piss off senpai?

Too bad. You made me watch your faggotry now I get to constantly shit on it.
Good job thinking I was catholic btw.
I totally didn't bait you to bitch about catholics in a subthread full of them. Dumb retard.

Speaking of. Is this why you have a boner for john smith? Reminds you of your parental figures in your lives so much? Femcel Pedophile.
 
Remember how she was bitching about negrates? lmao.

She finally figured out I was doing it to piss her off.
Meaning she was negrating not to piss me off.
MEANING she's buttmad. And projecting. Wonder what else this femcel pedarast is projecting.
Hee parents loved her I tell ya, got real sad when she entered her goth phase, got rejected by a catholic AUTISTIC boy, and forever more spurned all men.
Are you so autistic and uneducated you don't understand "the state"doesn't always literally refer to states? lol Is this even for real? You keep surprising me by how fucking stupid you are. And even still, this statement is stupid. Do the police in a city enforce state laws or not, genius?



And you need to go back and retake high school. Again, do local police in a city enforce state laws or not?



You 100 percent don't. Joseph Smith is false prophet. Mormons are not Christians.



If a priest rapes children or allows them to be raped, yes, that's a great outcome. Fuck that scumbag.



Talk to her all the time. How about you call your 10 moms married to your dad, Mormon? lol
First I have 19 million moms, get it right. Second... your argument is bullshit about laws. Seek help. You've lost. I'm not repeating myself.
Aw what's the matter? You finally figured out being a pearl-clutching faggot doesn't work when you've cried wolf for so many times people think you're a furry, so NOW you want to go back to your hatefuck relationship with the other guy you dedicated 5 threads to just to piss off senpai?

Too bad. You made me watch your faggotry now I get to constantly shit on it.
Good job thinking I was catholic btw.
I totally didn't bait you to bitch about catholics in a subthread full of them. Dumb retard.

Speaking of. Is this why you have a boner for john smith? Reminds you of your parental figures in your lives so much? Femcel Pedophile.
I tell ya man, she wants the D, why else would we have 10 pages of this? Joseph Smith is really hot, I guess, he's been dead for a very long time, ain't much left, but she thirsty.
 
I tell ya man, she wants the D, why else would we have 10 pages of this? Joseph Smith is really hot, I guess, he's been dead for a very long time, ain't much left, but she thirsty.

Is it just the modern version of this?

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Aw what's the matter? You finally figured out being a pearl-clutching faggot doesn't work when you've cried wolf for so many times people think you're a furry, so NOW you want to go back to your hatefuck relationship with the other guy you dedicated 5 threads to just to piss off senpai?

Too bad. You made me watch your faggotry now I get to constantly shit on it.
Good job thinking I was catholic btw.
I totally didn't bait you to bitch about catholics in a subthread full of them. Dumb retard.
>Why won't you reply to my angry autistic offtopic ranting anymore, why? *sniff* *sniff* I'm so MATI, don't you care anymore? *wahhhhh*

Speaking of. Is this why you have a boner for john smith?

Because of this:

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Again, we got some real brainlets here.

First I have 19 million moms, get it right. Second... your argument is bullshit about laws. Seek help. You've lost. I'm not repeating myself.

>too fucking stupid to retort a single point again
>declares self winner after embarrassing himself and not knowing what "the state"meant
>gives up and goes back to back-rubbing other people MATI at me for confidence points

Shocker. But really not surprising given Mormon inbreeding.
 
>Why won't you reply to my angry autistic offtopic ranting anymore, why? *sniff* *sniff* I'm so MATI, don't you care anymore? *wahhhhh*
Good job proving you're trying to ignore me on purpose.
And failing.
Fucking loser lmao.
Because of this:
Good job going to make three threads about how disney is full of pedophiles cuz I totally love pocanhontas next? That'll be hillarious tbh.
Hee parents loved her I tell ya, got real sad when she entered her goth phase, got rejected by a catholic AUTISTIC boy, and forever more spurned all men.

First I have 19 million moms, get it right. Second... your argument is bullshit about laws. Seek help. You've lost. I'm not repeating myself.

I tell ya man, she wants the D, why else would we have 10 pages of this? Joseph Smith is really hot, I guess, he's been dead for a very long time, ain't much left, but she thirsty.
No offense but out of all religion figures to fanfic over why the literal human being? I'dve gotten a boner for zeus with how debauched her pokemon fantasies are.

It really is funky how much she deflected her own lack of knowledge in both basic law, or religion. Kind of like she's pretending to be the leading authority on matters. Is she still bitching about how something that is already a law - and proven to not work, should be a law?

By citing articles from ten years ago.
And then refusing to elaborate when asked simplistic questions while crybullying about how hard such esoteric concepts as "criminals will lie about their crime" and "criminals in power will lie about their crime" and "criminals will lie about crime in general" and "no one's going to take a histrionic bitch who refuses to calm down seriously, even if they had a point - especially if they never had a point in the first place and is just sperging out because she wants to get laid."
 
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Is it just the modern version of this?

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Throw some blue hair dye in there, a plushie of Vaporeon, and it's perfect.
>Why won't you reply to my angry autistic offtopic ranting anymore, why? *sniff* *sniff* I'm so MATI, don't you care anymore? *wahhhhh*



Because of this:

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Again, we got some real brainlets here.



>too fucking stupid to retort a single point again
>declares self winner after embarrassing himself and not knowing what "the state"meant
>gives up and goes back to back-rubbing other people MATI at me for confidence points

Shocker. But really not surprising given Mormon inbreeding.
So you're a Indian and you wanna be colonized...?? (Wtf)??
Good job proving you're trying to ignore me on purpose.
And failing.
Fucking loser lmao.

Good job going to make three threads about how disney is full of pedophiles cuz I totally love pocanhontas next? That'll be hillarious tbh.

No offense but out of all religion figures to fanfic over why the literal human being? I'dve gotten a boner for zeus with how debauched her pokemon fantasies are.

It really is funky how much she deflected her own lack of knowledge in both basic law, or religion. Kind of like she's pretending to be the leading authority on matters. Is she still bitching about how something that is already a law - and proven to not work, should be a law?

By citing articles from ten years ago.
And then refusing to elaborate when asked simplistic questions while crybullying about how hard such esoteric concepts as "criminals will lie about their crime" and "criminals in power will lie about their crime" and "criminals will lie about crime in general" and "no one's going to take a histrionic bitch who refuses to calm down seriously, even if they had a point - especially if they never had a point in the first place and is just sperging out because she wants to get laid."
Wait... pokemon fanfiction? She shlicks to diglet?
 
Guys. Stop being retarded and stop being MATI. Calm yourselves and stay on topic or stfu please.

The jannies will most likely come in sooner or later so behave!

I also read the headline as "child rape stall" and considered that I was rather ignorant of most Mormon pratices aside from the magic underwear but even they wouldn't tolerate THAT.

Worst written headline I've seen so far in 2023, bar none.
 
Good job going to make three threads about how disney is full of pedophiles cuz I totally love pocanhontas next? That'll be hillarious tbh.

Are you so incredibly stupid, you don't get why I made that joke even after rereading your own quote and thinking about it? Holy shit. Do you think the movie Pocahontas was about Mormons, retard? LOL.
 
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