UN Questions emerge over strict rules about police self-defense - A look into how cucked S. Korea is regarding self-defense

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Experts say fatal shooting against knife-wielding man appears justifiable

By Jung Min-ho

A man holding a 36-centimeter knife ignored a police warning to drop it and lunged toward a police officer. After being attacked in the face, the officer took out his handgun and pulled the trigger three times in the scuffle. Two bullets hit his upper body, which resulted in death.

Now, the police officer is under scrutiny over a possible violation of the “standards for police use of force based on the principle of proportionality,” which says police officers should aim their guns at “the least injurious area, preferably the thigh areas or lower.”

The incident that occurred in Gwangju in the wee hours of Wednesday raised questions over police use of force in Korea, where officers are bound by a set of rigorous rules that make it almost impossible to use firearms without worrying about legal troubles even in the face of urgent danger.

In response to a woman’s call for help about a “suspicious man” following her at 3:10 a.m., two police officers rushed to the scene.
After being told to “stop there,” the man took out a knife and ignored the warning to drop it. A stun gun used by a junior officer missed him. Angered by the attempt, the man ran toward the other officer, who kicked him before firing a blank cartridge in the air and then three live bullets at the assailant.

In that process, the senior officer sustained injuries in his face and neck areas, for which he received emergency surgery.

The attacker was transported to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
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Speaking to The Korea Times, experts said the decision to use a firearm against the attacker appears to be justifiable.

“The officer did not use live bullets immediately. He warned and shot a blank cartridge. And yet, the man kept trying to attack the officer while wielding a knife … There seemed to be no other way to stop him,” said Kwack Dae-gyung, a professor at the College of Police and Criminal Justice at Dongguk University. “If the officer ends up being penalized for this, I think it would significantly affect the morale of all police officers.”

The rules on police use of force require police officers to consider various factors before and during the use of their firearms, including the resistance level of the attacker, whether other means, such as a baton, can be used instead of a gun and whether the aim was targeting “the least injurious areas.” In short, it has to be reasonable, necessary and proportional.

However, police officers are often forced to make “split-second decisions” in circumstances that are tense, highly uncertain and rapidly evolving, said Kwack.

“Thus, I think there should be discussions over whether it would be more reasonable to give them more discretion to use force against criminals violently resisting,” he said.
In a similar case that occurred in the southern city of Jinju, South Gyeongsang Province, in 2001, a police officer shot at a man who died as a result of a bullet wound in the upper body.

The assailant, a former "ssireum," or Korean wrestling, athlete, repeatedly ignored warnings and attacked a police officer who was trying to detain him. The officer was later indicted on charges of using “excessive force.” Eventually, he was acquitted. But in a lawsuit filed by the man’s family, the government ordered by the court in 2008 to give them more than 100 million won ($68,000) in compensation.

Legally, the government can exercise its right to indemnity and make police officers like him burden the cost.

To help reduce such legal risks, the National Police Agency pushed to distribute “less lethal” handguns to police officers by the end of 2026. However, the project has been stalled after many technical problems were found.
 
I've seen a lot of articles about America (and many other countries) here that follow the near identical model of "lunatic attacks police, gets shot. Officer charged and acquitted, family sues and are paid ludicrous amount by the city, state, taxpayer."
I don't know the details (maybe they asked for more, maybe there were circumstance justifying it) but $68'000 is not a ridiculous sum. Obviously it's better to have robust laws that prevent even this waste, but it's firmly in "pay them to go away" territory, cheaper than a lolsuit. No bashing cops, no admitting guilt, just "aw too bad, so sad, here's some cash to cheer you up IF YOU GO AWAY RIGHT NOW". (One possible drawback is, because this is Worst Korea, decent people start getting cop-killed for payouts.)
 
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I don't know the details (maybe they asked for more, maybe there were circumstance justifying it) but $68'000 is not a ridiculous sum. Obviously it's better to have robust laws that prevent even this waste, but it's firmly in "pay them to go away" territory, cheaper than a lolsuit.
True, weirdly in this case it was court ordered. So they seem to have been through the lawsuit and gotten this rather than being settled with.

I don't know if the government didn't want to settle because they believed they were in the right or if there's laws capping the compensation families can receive but it seems to have gone to conclusion rather than received money to buzz off.
 
I can't believe they fell for the "just shoot them in the leg" meme.

There's a reason why no one who has actually touched a gun says to shoot them in the leg. The leg is a smaller target with a wider range of motion than the torso, making it significantly harder to hit. Combined that with the fact that most police don't train enough with their gun plus the adrenaline that's pumping through you during a high stakes encounter, and that just guarantee you'll miss if you aim for the leg.
Is it even safer for the person being shot at? Center of mass can be survived as long as as you don't hit something vital, leg has places where you'll bleed out if you're shot at.
 
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Is it even safer for the person being shot at? Center of mass can be survived as long as as you don't hit something vital, leg has places where you'll bleed out if you're shot at.
The outer thigh is the safest place you can be shot since its nothing but thick muscle there, but once you move inwards to the bone it goes from the safest to one of the most dangerous thanks to the presence of the femoral artery.

Coincidentally, in that recent RoboCop video game where shooting dudes in the dick counts as a critical hit akin to a headshot, that's entirely in line with human anatomy given that you have both the pelvic bone to act as potential shrapnel as well as both of your femoral arteries in that area. There's a reason so many modern body armors come with groin protectors of some kind and it isn't because the people in charge give a shit about keeping the dicks and balls of their soldiers safe.
 
It's like the south korean police are the police from Demolition man where they simply are not equipped to deal with violent people who resist. they are so used to everyone being docile sheep, they don't really know what to do when 'firmly tell the suspect to drop the weapon and lie down' fails
 
Korea is a land of extremes, everything is an over correction to the previous extreme. The police of the old days were the violent thugs of the dictators and the laws were meant to curtail their excesses, but it also made them effectively powerless when facing actual threats.

In effect the country has been designed by assholes to protect asshole behavior.
The fact that they allowed a child rapist to go free (under house arrest) on the technicality that he was drunk has significantly tarnished my perception of the Kamsamida people.
 
The fact that they allowed a child rapist to go free (under house arrest) on the technicality that he was drunk has significantly tarnished my perception of the Kamsamida people.

It seems like the "it was the alcohol ..." excuse is finally running out. Koreans have really turned on drunk driving recently (in public sentiment) and last year's incident in Busan with an American hagwon teacher molesting a 5 year old and tried to lessen the punishment with the " I was drunk!", and the people (anecdotally ) seemed sick of hearing that bullshit line. Unfortunately I haven't seen any updates about the case since August which makes me worried that some settlement was agreed to and the piece of shit avoided prison.
 
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I can't believe they fell for the "just shoot them in the leg" meme.

If you are in fear for your life, shoot to kill. If you aren't in fear for your life, don't fucking shoot them.

I still remember the lecture that an ex-cop gave at high school: In addition to being an impossibly small target, there's the issue of and that even if you do hit him straight in the thigh, there's an very real chance that you'll either sever an very specific artery or you'll wind up crippling him for life.


Well, it could have been worse, though. The next step is "shoot to disarm" instead of "shoot to maim." But killing him would have been arguably cheaper than paying for his hospital bills.

On top of these points, there are a few other issues. If you get into a self defense situation with a firearm, firing a blank or a "warning shot" makes it harder to defend you in court under the reasoning that if you had time to do such, you weren't in imminent danger. Depending on where you live, you could get off easily or you could have some slime fuck lawyer coming after you on the behalf of the surviving "victim".
 
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