r/Antinatalism - "Fertility...le BAD!" AKA Redditors having a rare moment of not lusting after children, and somehow still being fucking awful in the process.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Thankfully he was too incompetent to kill anyone other than himself.

He didn't even ice a single embryo since he couldn't figure out how blast energy works. I think he barely inconvenienced the fertility clinic and the wealthy gays will probably donate to the reconstruction of its facade.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

He didn't even ice a single embryo since he couldn't figure out how blast energy works. I think he barely inconvenienced the fertility clinic and the wealthy gays will probably donate to the reconstruction of its facade.

Just like how Elliot Rodger didn't kill a single blonde sorority girl or Chad during his rampage. He really is the spiritual successor to le Supreme Gentleman.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Just like how Elliot Rodger didn't kill a single blonde sorority girl or Chad during his rampage. He really is the spiritual successor to le Supreme Gentleman.

Elliot did manage to kill two vagina-havers who were sorority girls (he probably killed a Chinese incel or two, RIP). The only thing Guy Edward Bartkus did to advance the cause of antinatalism was barbecue his own useless dick and balls.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

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Lack of spiritual development is oozing from this post.

Depression is a result of exhaustion, mental or physical, but it's important to remember that you can cause yourself to be in a depressive state as well; I won't even use my religious position to argue against this, let's think logically - if you are sad about a certain problem\group of problems - will those problems go away? This person's (And the movement's as a whole) notion that we all suffer from the world being "unfair" is a projection, they feel miserable, and percieving themselves as "Smart", regard their stance as the most logical.

It's obvious that one can enjoy life, and even be successful even with desparaties in mind - it's a matter of perception. It's reasonable to think "I could live better", while enjoying what you have, and working towards better conditions. But immediately writing off this as impossible because "Diseases, parasites and the rich" exist is delusional. I assume this person is from a 1st world country, so they do not have much grounds to complain in the first place!

"Didn't ask to be born" is not an argument either, as it is a natural function of all living organisms; This also philosophically implies that we must decide for the unborn, whether they should live or not, which is inhumane - and immediately makes the movement of Antinatalism less credible (If it's premise did not strike you as insane right away).

Well, besides that, whining like this also looks gay as hell.

 

[sixuglymidgets]

Lack of spiritual development is oozing from this post.

Depression is a result of exhaustion, mental or physical, but it's important to remember that you can cause yourself to be in a depressive state as well; I won't even use my religious position to argue against this, let's think logically - if you are sad about a certain problem\group of problems - will those problems go away? This person's (And the movement's as a whole) notion that we all suffer from the world being "unfair" is a projection, they feel miserable, and percieving themselves as "Smart", regard their stance as the most logical.

It's obvious that one can enjoy life, and even be successful even with desparaties in mind - it's a matter of perception. It's reasonable to think "I could live better", while enjoying what you have, and working towards better conditions. But immediately writing off this as impossible because "Diseases, parasites and the rich" exist is delusional. I assume this person is from a 1st world country, so they do not have much grounds to complain in the first place!

"Didn't ask to be born" is not an argument either, as it is a natural function of all living organisms; This also philosophically implies that we must decide for the unborn, whether they should live or not, which is inhumane - and immediately makes the movement of Antinatalism less credible (If it's premise did not strike you as insane right away).

Well, besides that, whining like this also looks gay as hell.

Exactly. They have turned a typical tantrum into a philosophy.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

They have turned a typical tantrum into a philosophy

Good summary. The more you listen to their arguments, the less substancial they become. It's all just negative emotions (People die from disease and can't live comfortably they're entire life, I can't live!)

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

This also philosophically implies that we must decide for the unborn, whether they should live or not, which is inhumane

It's not just inhumane, it's illogical. You can't be forced into existence if there was no you to be forced. You don't exist, until you do. Your parents reproduced, and you were the result. They had no way of knowing you'd grow up to be a massive crybaby who gets ass-mad that they performed a function all living species are biologically programmed for. It's not as if they could have asked you for your permission but failed to do so.

If someone believes every human has an immortal soul, and therefore thinks their spiritual existence predates their mortal existence, then they should be mad at God for creating them, not their parents. Which, I suspect, is really what's going on in a lot of these cases.

 

[dongykung]

If someone believes every human has an immortal soul, and therefore thinks their spiritual existence predates their mortal existence, then they should be mad at God for creating them, not their parents. Which, I suspect, is really what's going on in a lot of these cases.

their mad at god thats obvious and probably alot of the fox and the grapes at play

 

[Dasjas Watanid Tabas]

If someone believes every human has an immortal soul, and therefore thinks their spiritual existence predates their mortal existence, then they should be mad at God for creating them, not their parents. Which, I suspect, is really what's going on in a lot of these cases.

A lot of people previously into tipping fedoras and owning DA CHRISTCOOOOOOOKZ moved onto commepedotroonism, New Urbanism, militant veganism/environmentalism or this shit, the reasoning they have is one and the same.

 

[agent_donkey]

These people are a gold mine.

Spoiler: Nietzsche quote I find relevant:

There are preachers of death: and the earth is full of those to whom desistance from life must be preached. [...]
They meet an invalid, or an old man, or a corpse and im mediately they say: "Life is refuted!"
But they only are refuted, and their eye, which seeth only one aspect of existence. [...]
"Life is only suffering": so say others, and lie not. Then see to it that ye cease!
See to it that the life ceaseth which is only suffering!
And let this be the teaching of your virtue: "Thou shalt slay thyself! Thou shalt steal away from thyself!"
"Lust is so say some who preach death sin," apart and beget no children!" birth is troublesome,"
"Giving say others "let "why us go still give birth? One beareth only the unfortunate!"
And they also are preachers of death. "Pity is necessary," so saith a third party.
"Take what I have! Take what I am! So much less doth life bind me!"
Were they consistently pitiful, then would they make their neighbours sick of life. To be wicked that would be their true goodness.
- Nietzsche, Thus spoke Zarathustra, The preachers of Death

Their ideology seems simple, yet they can't seem to agree on the whys or the implications.

It centers around avoiding suffering like hell fire, sure, but for some;
including the mods it concludes with radical wokism somehow, but also literally nothing regarding the subject is allowed:



Basically, its the ultimate soyjackism:

I am so afraid of offending something that I wish for a world where people to offend do not exist.

I love the idea of someone opposing gassing the jews,
because it would be Zionism.

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Spoiler: Screenshot dump:

Anti-natalism in a nutshell:

The contrafibularity is anaspeptic. Your argument is already over, breeder.

Note: this is the only type of thing this guy posts except for an occasional r/atheism comment.

This one is my favourite by far:

I have watched their recommended documentary too; this is my favourite frame:

And, I started to understand their claims of unquantifiable suffering when I learned that Doug Stanhope's mother was euthanized watching Bad Santa.

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I skipped around in Better Never To Have Been by David Benatar too.
It is by fair the most coherent thing I have seen regarding the subject,
and I don't think anyone posting in that subreddit has read it.

Spoiler: Here are some notes:

This is how the book starts:

Introduction

Life is so terrible, it would have been better not to have been born.
Who is so lucky? Not one in a hundred thousand!

Jewish saying

Come on now...

The whole thing reads extremely autistic (duh).

There are a few tid-bits that makes their position less clownish:

I shall not claim that the never-existent literally are better off.
Instead, I shall argue that coming into existence is always bad
for those who come into existence.

For instance, while most people think that living life without a limb
does not make life so bad that it is worth ending, most (of the same) people also think
that it is better not to bring into existence somebody who will lack a limb.
We require stronger justification for ending a life than for not starting one.

Then finally it dominos from "lack of pain is (actively) good".

(1) the presence of pain is bad, and that
(2) the presence of pleasure is good.
However, such a symmetrical evaluation does not seem to apply to the
absence of pain and pleasure, for it strikes me as true that
(3) the absence of pain is good, even if that good is not enjoyed by anyone, whereas
(4) the absence of pleasure is not bad unless there is
somebody for whom this absence is a deprivation.

You could also interpret it as mirrored hedonism:

I must live to enjoy myself.

VS

We must not live to not suffer.

Which, strongly resonates how they will keep bringing up the Bias Towards Life.

Anyways, they are this kind of guys, but unironically:

 

[dongykung]

I have watched their recommended documentary too; this is my favourite frame:

what do you think the odds of that person being happy are

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

@agent_donkey
>I am so afraid of offending something that I wish for a world where people to offend do not exist.
Sounds like some conclusion an AI would come to before going full Skynet on humanity.

 

[Gemerson]

The best argument for helping incels find women to marry is that it makes Antinatalists seethe (more marriages = more kids)

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

what do you think the odds of that person being happy are

If he (????) isn't happy, clearly it's because he doesn't own enough cheap plastic crap. If consoom product doesn't fix your crippling depression, then consoom food. If food doesn't help, consoom drug. You must always be consooming, never producing. Producing kids is especially to be avoided, since they will interfere with consoomption of drugs, and they cost money that is better spent on consoom product.

 

[rusty shackleford 1]

The best argument for helping incels find women to marry is that it makes Antinatalists seethe (more marriages = more kids)

Probably tons of overlap in the two communities, sour grapes and all. People with prospects don’t spend this much time seething at relationships that successfully follow the course of nature. Children are the manifestation of the love between two people, most of these retards would jump at the chance to make a family if they could snag someone stable enough.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

The best argument for helping incels find women to marry is that it makes Antinatalists seethe (more marriages = more kids)

There's this really sweet couple on YouTube that met because the guy made a video about what it feels like to be ugly, and the girl commented on the video that she sincerely thought he was cute. They're married now and have a baby.

 

[agent_donkey]

he (????)

Its true that that thing has morphed into a sexless blob of fat, but it used to be a woman.

Also, while double checking that I'm not being retarded, I found out that it, Amanda Sukenick (pronounced "suck & ick") is a founding member of Antinatalism International.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Its true that that thing has morphed into a sexless blob of fat, but it used to be a woman.

Also, while double checking that I'm not being retarded, I found out that it, Amanda Sukenick (pronounced "suck & ick") is a founding member of Antinatalism International.

Just looking at her, I'm not sure how much of a decision it was for her to not have kids. Seems like her body must have decided for her, or maybe nobody wanted to stick their dick in that. ()

 

[Dasjas Watanid Tabas]

The vast majority of antinatals (at least on Peddit) aren't even consistent with their views: pretty much all of them only think it's bad to procreate if you're white or live in the developed world, none demand that Nigeriens, Burkinabes, Malians and Chadians institute one child policies a-la China and Vietnam, none of them complain that 3 billion Chinese and Indians is too much and their governments should euthanize at least half of them, nobody rages about "filthy irresponsible breeders making Mother Gaia cry by popping out le crotch demonerinos" whenever they see news reports of wars in Sudan, Palestine, Haiti or Myanmar and pretty much all of them forget about the "ALL population growth is VERY HECKING LE EVIL because it makes exotic species of mealworms extinct" when you bring up immigration (they all are either pro-open borders or pro-abolition) and all antinatalists seems to live in the more or less developed countries, the least developed ones seem to be Russia and Ukraine.
It's just another form of contemporary leftists affected by colonial guilt.

 

[Eva Braun]

Dear Reddit antinatalists,
if having children is immoral because life means suffering why do you mostly whine about white middle class americans having planned children that are well taken care of instead or poor 3rd world niggers who get way too many children and then let them starve? And consequently would you consider it morally correct to sterilize Africans?