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I mean they can pay more and earn less if they really wanted to, but typically stakeholders are not the type who like to leave money on the table and will want to do _Something_ to recoup their projected earnings.
I make decisions at a public company. We give revenue guidance to the street and if we miss those numbers, we'd better have a better reason than "we wanted to be nice to our customers". The easiest way to do that is to raise prices and right now, inflation gives a perfect reason/excuse to do so. People are expecting to pay more for things, so we indulge them. Our job is to maximize profits, sometimes this quarter, sometimes 5 years from now, but don't ever think it isn't about the money. If we don't bring the money, we don't keep our jobs and neither does the board. I'm totally fine with this, by the way--if you want to start a cereal charity, you can. Buy the no name cereal if it's that big a deal. We don't owe you anything and the sooner you realize that, the happier you'll be--I wish more corporations would be honest about that instead of pantomiming "social responsibility", but hey, that's in service of profit too.
Yep there is a required rate of return to compensate them for risk otherwise they would just invest in low risk government bonds which are a guaranteed investment
People hold stock for the speculative value as much as the dividend. Plenty of stocks have no implicit rate of return. Even if a company like Kellog's posts a loss this Q, it's not like everyone's just going to cash out and they'll be worthless. 10 year t-bills are at like 1.4%, so it's really not hard to do better than that. Besides, Treasuries are much more than just investments... they're what the Fed uses to control the economy. They're at historic lows because the government thinks you need to put your money at risk in the market (despite the hot, hot stock market), so it wants to discourage you from buying them.
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I do think the labor market squeeze may mean they should just take a loss, like ethically, for the good of society.
Lol, no.
It's self short term beneficial, long term market harmful to raise prices in reaction to the labor squeeze, cause it creates a cycle of devaluing the money they just recouped by raising prices, and can lead to hyper inflation rather quick.
What the fuck are you talking about? Raising cereal prices is not going to lead to "hyperinflation". Inflation is a macroeconomic concept; not a microeconomic one.

Inflation is like 8%; if you aren't raising prices in this economy, you basically deserve to be fired. If their analytics department determines they overtuned it, they'll quietly walk it back a few months from now.
Pro-tip, those restaurants that feature jousting are not historically accurate.
1) serfs got kicked from the land all the fucking time. While a serf was not allowed to choose to leave, his lord could punt him and the family into the wilderness for any fucking reason.
2) the serf and their families didn't get to eat until their taxes were effectively paid. Failing to pay the Lord meant your shit at the very least was confiscated and your family starved.
3) lol it didn't matter what color people were as serfs were all covered in shit.
4) the Lord of the manor could literally rape your kids and butcher you in the street and it was his right to do so.
5) it was also a wonderful excuse to butcher and cleanse entire countries of Protestants and Catholics, depending on which country we are talking about.
You gotta wonder what hole this guy crawled out of to be able to claim that scraping by with your no-fertilizer potato harvest, giving half your crop to your Lord, and then starving to death in the dead of winter as he prima noctas your new peasant wife in his keep is better than the degenerate cozy life he now leads from his basement. People used to literally starve to death if they were poor, and now the poor are some of our fattest people. Half his shit was about how "they had more meaning in their lives", apparently failing to realize that he can seek out those exact same forms of meaning if he wants. Nothing stops him from going to church and finding meaning in religion, and I'm sure there are plenty of farms looking for help with the harvest, if that's the kind of life he wants to live.
 
Kellogg's wanted to cut wages and benefits for workers, but I bet you managers never faced the same threat. Shoulda trimmed the fat from the C levels to make up the shortfall.
Lol yes because no manager has ever been fired ever.

All them shutdown factories in Detroit still have their floor managers just wandering around in the dark.
 
Pro-tip, those restaurants that feature jousting are not historically accurate.

1) serfs got kicked from the land all the fucking time. While a serf was not allowed to choose to leave, his lord could punt him and the family into the wilderness for any fucking reason.

2) the serf and their families didn't get to eat until their taxes were effectively paid. Failing to pay the Lord meant your shit at the very least was confiscated and your family starved.

3) lol it didn't matter what color people were as serfs were all covered in shit.

4) the Lord of the manor could literally rape your kids and butcher you in the street and it was his right to do so.

5) it was also a wonderful excuse to butcher and cleanse entire countries of Protestants and Catholics, depending on which country we are talking about.

Lol Americans and their education.
1) Yeah, thank god we know longer take away peoples property in the modern system. 2) Yes, the lord was also expected to protect and help the serfs if needed. 4) [citation needed] 5) Literally happened in every form of government in every century. Your points apply to 99.9% of human history.
 
1) Yeah, thank god we know longer take away peoples property in the modern system. 2) Yes, the lord was also expected to protect and help the serfs if needed. 4) [citation needed] 5) Literally happened in every form of government in every century. Your points apply to 99.9% of human history.
Honest question. If you think that the middle ages were superior than modern society, why do we not see any society following those principles today?

The fucking Amish do not even go back to serfdom.

I get that from reading Harry Potter, you imagine it's pretty cool but that is young adult fiction and it's not historically accurate.

I'm not sure why you are even bitching about modern work conditions. You can't get fired from living in your parents' basement.
 
Honest question. If you think that the middle ages were superior than modern society, why do we not see any society following those principles today?

The fucking Amish do not even go back to serfdom.

I get that from reading Harry Potter, you imagine it's pretty cool but that is young adult fiction and it's not historically accurate.

I'm not sure why you are even bitching about modern work conditions. You can't get fired from living in your parents' basement.
Every country is forced to adopt the capitalist economic system because of it's efficiency, if they didn't they would be surpassed quickly. Notice I didn't make any points about it being an efficient economic system. It doesn't make sense to have a modern state any other way than the way it already is, which is why every country is exactly the same as the US model. I never said that serfdom was the bestest system ever, I just compared it to the modern one. I have a well paying job and don't have to wagecuck like you, doesn't mean I can't complain on the internet.
 
Every country is forced to adopt the capitalist economic system because of it's efficiency, if they didn't they would be surpassed quickly. Notice I didn't make any points about it being an efficient economic system. It doesn't make sense to have a modern state any other way than the way it already is, which is why every country is exactly the same as the US model. I never said that serfdom was the bestest system ever, I just compared it to the modern one. I have a well paying job and don't have to wagecuck like you, doesn't mean I can't complain on the internet.
You could set up your own community of weirdos and live out your fantasy of being a serf.

It would totally work I'm sure. If not that, than set up any one of a number of political/economic systems you think are more fair than the brutal capitalism that triggers you so.

But instead of you doing it yourself, you are going to have countless excuses as why you can't be bothered and it's just easier for the entire world to confirm to your fantasy.

Also, your notion that all countries are carbon copies of the US is beyond moronic. Stop just watching bread tube and experience the world.
 
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I hate to say it but as simplified as the sentiment is this is a real thing. With sharecropping for example slave owners realized that with slavery banned they could sometimes get more value from their now-freed slaves for less expenditure by making them buy seed, rent land, and work to pay off a debt that couldn't be discharged. The same thing also happened with company stores in mining towns up into the early-mid 1900s, where pay was in scrip or miners had to pay by weight to have ore refined and only got refunded for the content that was useful. These led to outstanding usurious debts that would keep people running on a treadmill with relief just out of reach.

tl;dr: Systems in the past have been intentionally designed to extract value from workers while making them accrue debt to keep them beholden to the company, and if you read some of the World Economic Forum guidebooks there are plans to do that in the modern economy as well (The infamous "You will own nothing and you will be happy.").
 
I hate to say it but as simplified as the sentiment is this is a real thing. With sharecropping for example slave owners realized that with slavery banned they could sometimes get more value from their now-freed slaves for less expenditure by making them buy seed, rent land, and work to pay off a debt that couldn't be discharged. The same thing also happened with company stores in mining towns up into the early-mid 1900s, where pay was in scrip or miners had to pay by weight to have ore refined and only got refunded for the content that was useful. These led to outstanding usurious debts that would keep people running on a treadmill with relief just out of reach.

tl;dr: Systems in the past have been intentionally designed to extract value from workers while making them accrue debt to keep them beholden to the company, and if you read some of the World Economic Forum guidebooks there are plans to do that in the modern economy as well (The infamous "You will own nothing and you will be happy.").
I thought we were arguing before that serfdom and slavery were good because you got food and a house over your head but no mom to yell at you to take a shower.
 
I thought we were arguing before that serfdom and slavery were good because you got food and a house over your head but no mom to yell at you to take a shower.
No he is saying that one lord / knight can only rule over so many peasants directly and he had to treat them with some respect. Aka look at all the feast days they were responsible for furnishing.

Meanwhile Robber Barons / Titans of industry oversee tens of thousands to millions of workers. When you get that high up in scale you will naturally view the people under you as numbers rather than names
 
No he is saying that one lord / knight can only rule over so many peasants directly and he had to treat them with some respect. Aka look at all the feast days they were responsible for furnishing.

Meanwhile Robber Barons / Titans of industry oversee tens of thousands to millions of workers. When you get that high up in scale you will naturally view the people under you as numbers rather than names
It's still moronic when you explain it, but I appreciate the effort.

The idea that lords respected their serfs is retarded. It was a brutally short, cruel life.

Okay I get you folks don't like modern society, but you folks understand that if you were a serf back then, you don't have indoor plumbing or funco pops to collect?

You guys get that right? It's not just like moving to a Renaissance Fair.
 
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It's still moronic when you explain it, but I appreciate the effort.

The idea that lords respected their serfs is retarded. It was a brutally short, cruel life.
Serfdom was not always some romantic life of lords that always cared for their people, but neither is it true that lords were slobbering madmen that raped and murdered their subjects for fun, and if anything that one is even more detached from reality as it is little more than atrocity propaganda made by liberal radicals to make their violent revolutions seem to be the only option.
 
Serfdom was not always some romantic life of lords that always cared for their people, but neither is it true that lords were slobbering madmen that raped and murdered their subjects for fun, and if anything that one is even more detached from reality as it is little more than atrocity propaganda made by liberal radicals to make their violent revolutions seem to be the only option.
You have convinced me. Clearly the serfs had it so much easier than us modern wage cucks. The way we slave for money when we could just till the land.
 
It's easy to see the times before through rose colored glasses. Yeah of course there were bad times, but there had to have been good times? Where else would the culture, music and traditions come from? Life just seemed to have so much more depth to it, spiritually, while being simpler overall. Ever since we've moved into cities we've been dreaming about going back to the countryside.

@Shaka Brah I totally agree, but it's just so melodramatic to compare a first world existence to living in a 1900s company town. Railing against capitalism as a concept is kinda dumb, the problem isn't with the trade of goods on an open market. I think it just dilutes the message of workers rights.
 
You have convinced me. Clearly the serfs had it so much easier than us modern wage cucks. The way we slave for money when we could just till the land.
I did not say that by any means, I simply said that your depiction of medieval life is a ridiculous caricature that sounds like you watched too much Game of Thrones and decided that was exactly like medieval life was like. It's undeniable that the life of a peasant was harsh and composed primarily of backbreaking labor and not enough food, but the idea that nobles would torture their subjects on a whim for sick kicks is an exaggeration, and there is no proof that Prima Noctis even existed as anything other than anti-aristocratic propaganda.
 
I did not say that by any means, I simply said that your depiction of medieval life is a ridiculous caricature that sounds like you watched too much Game of Thrones and decided that was exactly like medieval life was like. It's undeniable that the life of a peasant was harsh and composed primarily of backbreaking labor and not enough food, but the idea that nobles would torture their subjects on a whim for sick kicks is an exaggeration, and there is no proof that Prima Noctis even existed as anything other than anti-aristocratic propaganda.
Even when you tell redditors they are right, it somehow triggers them.

Lol.
 
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