r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

[thegooddoctor]

Why is it always a tranny?

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Lmao his lisp, clearly the fine strong head of a powerful labor reform organisation, he’s the perfect frontman for our society!!

 

[feedtheoctopus]

These kids actually hate the workers of the world, whether they be Mid-Western truckers, or staunchly Catholic Mexican fruit pickers. They just have no exposure to them. I don't know if they think the majority of the workforce are dysgenic "queers" and "allies" like them, or if they think that every worker below the professional tier is economically leftist and a radical feminists/anti-racist. I'm guessing some are delusional enough to think that, others secretly think the enlightened tranny-tankie priest class will have to emerge from their coom-caves to educate the simple-minded masses and lead them to utopia.

They think brown people are all liberal saints lacking in bigotry and hatred. Meanwhile here in the real world black people attend churches in higher numbers than any other demographic, and anybody who's spent any amount of time in a hispanic or black neighborhood can tell you these people are the least politically correct in America. Some of the shit that comes out of your average black dude's mouth would make these reddit types heads explode. They're right about one thing, not caring about racial inequality is a privilege whitey gets. But what they miss is that black people live in this shit to such a degree that they flat out don't give a fuck. White people get uncomfortable talking about race. They get really scared and insecure and they're terrified of saying something mean. Black people do not have this problem. And it isn't love and rainbows coming out of their mouths. Hell you know Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks? That wasn't some character they just thought up, they were making fun of a very real guy that exists in every black community in America. He's often sighted on the subway screaming at teenagers about their pants.

I've worked plenty of blue collar jobs. I wouldn't call working class people bigoted, but they absolutely don't give a fuck. This isn't a life where you can afford to get offended easily or waste time obsessing about the life styles of others. People say crazy shit constantly, never mind do crazy shit. If you don't have a backbone you don't survive in something like construction work. The funny thing is these people are in their own way more accepting then liberals are. One boss I had was a racist lunatic who couldn't go 10 minutes without complaining about minorities, but he also hired people fresh out of prison constantly and most of his workforce was people of color. He objectively had more progressive street cred then any number of these reddit idiots.

 

[Ruin]

I think they actually got more angry and radical post interview.

 

[z0mb0]

There's also graphic design, other types of freelancing, etc. Community college unlocks so much more opportunities than people think. A lot of decent jobs out there say "bachelor's required" but a good number will hire an associate's degree if there's no actual certification required, out of desperation. A lot of these "bachelor's required" jobs are just trying to get an ideal candidate, but it's still good to apply. Even if you only just have experience or a two year degree.

there's fema certifications for free online that companies love to see on resumes you can bang out 4 in a day and suddenly your an administrative or HR wet dream

 

[Beard_Chan]

There's also graphic design, other types of freelancing, etc. Community college unlocks so much more opportunities than people think. A lot of decent jobs out there say "bachelor's required" but a good number will hire an associate's degree if there's no actual certification required, out of desperation. A lot of these "bachelor's required" jobs are just trying to get an ideal candidate, but it's still good to apply. Even if you only just have experience or a two year degree.


I think another huge problem is people just aren't educated on their options because we kept funneling people into expensive universities, and then telling them "either you go to a four year or work at Mcdonald's you fucking loser" So people then become lazy because they develop a sort of learned helplessness of "Oh I didn't get into a university/I picked a useless degree so I might as well just work at Mcdonald's since I don't amount to anything". It's a lot of disgruntled millenials I see in the subreddit. Recently a lot of gen Z people, have started looking into college alternatives, so I think it's changing already.

Another big mistake was telling people "You can be whatever you want when you grow up" and giving unrealistic expectations, when it should really be "You should be whatever is going strong in the free market"

Sperg rant alert:

Yeah I'm in the self-taught programming camp myself and always count my blessings when I hear colleagues complaining about their student loans they are still paying off almost 10 years later.

These people don't want to put effort into anything practical, even trades or self-taught opportunities that is the real problem and why so much of them are in retail or fast food. There are so many opportunities outside of a 4 year degree you can get into with self-training, certs, online courses - Programming, IT, DevOps, QA, electrician, HVAC repair, plumber, welder, mechanic, truck driver, garbage man (surprisingly can make a lot of money in the right places, mostly cities pay the big bucks), many unionized labor jobs, construction, and so much more.

The sub does have some points about poor treatment here and there but the majority of it seems to just not want to work at all, or work less than 20 hours but get paid like its 40+ which isn't realistic in the world we live in. I mean come on, laziness is a virtue? So you expect to live off the work of others then and think everyone's just going to accept that?

Also what the fuck else do they think is so exalted and amazing they can do with their freed up time? Hang out on reddit all day jerking to furry porn and musing about philosophy? There is virtue in a hard days work. Your free time feels earned and is appreciated more, outside of the fact that most work has a practical purpose for someone or something too. There is so much entitlement and lack of gratitude here. Remember when humans mostly cared about surviving for the day just 100 years ago? 40 hours a week isn't really that bad with all that you gain from it. Id be fucking bored without a job. I like what I do and the people I work with.

Maybe in 300 years when we have food replicators, robot servants, and cheap housing they can live in the world they want but right now its a deluded fantasy, like their trans bullshit and idealized commie values.

 

[flower tree]

Sperg rant alert:

Yeah I'm in the self-taught programming camp myself and always count my blessings when I hear colleagues complaining about their student loans they are still paying off almost 10 years later.

These people don't want to put effort into anything practical, even trades or self-taught opportunities that is the real problem and why so much of them are in retail or fast food. There are so many opportunities outside of a 4 year degree you can get into with self-training, certs, online courses - Programming, IT, DevOps, QA, electrician, HVAC repair, plumber, welder, mechanic, truck driver, garbage man (surprisingly can make a lot of money in the right places, mostly cities pay the big bucks), many unionized labor jobs, construction, and so much more.

The sub does have some points about poor treatment here and there but the majority of it seems to just not want to work at all, or work less than 20 hours but get paid like its 40+ which isn't realistic in the world we live in. I mean come on, laziness is a virtue? So you expect to live off the work of others then and think everyone's just going to accept that?

Also what the fuck else do they think is so exalted and amazing they can do with their freed up time? Hang out on reddit all day jerking to furry porn and musing about philosophy? There is virtue in a hard days work. Your free time feels earned and is appreciated more, outside of the fact that most work has a practical purpose for someone or something too. There is so much entitlement and lack of gratitude here. Remember when humans mostly cared about surviving for the day just 100 years ago? 40 hours a week isn't really that bad with all that you gain from it. Id be fucking bored without a job. I like what I do and the people I work with.

Maybe in 300 years when we have food replicators, robot servants, and cheap housing they can live in the world they want but right now its a deluded fantasy, like their trans bullshit and idealized commie values.

This is what the free market in itself is for. People can leave jobs that don't pay enough for them to live, and get another one. Or get degrees/training that are more practical for the real world. I know people who wasted 200k on art school but had a shit portfolio and couldn't accomplish anything post college. Also you are completely correct about free time. When you're not working and just sitting at home all day it gets really uninspiring and boring. When you actually earn that free time you have more ideas, enjoy it more, and actually feel like you're contributing to the world with your job as well.

 

[Drama Fan]

Thoughts on Doreen Ford, Anti-Work, and the Whole Thing

There's been some misinformation going around, so I thought I would set the record straight. There's a lot of groundless/baseless rumors. Since...

old.reddit.com

Doreen's former roommate and fellow antiwork janny has issued a statement. It's of course unapolagetic and insufferable janny nonsense

There's been some misinformation going around, so I thought I would set the record straight. There's a lot of groundless/baseless rumors. Since this is my page and I do what I want, I'm going to clarify my actions/thought process.

Doreen Ford and I were roommates from roughly fall of 2016 to March of 2019. We stopped speaking to one another around September of 2019 until I did an interview with them for a local publication called Manchester Ink Link regarding the Antiwork subreddit. Whether they consulted other moderators or users of the sub at the time, I don't know. There's too much content to parse through except for the most exhaustive researcher.

The interview went well. The piece ended up in the top 10 trending stories on the website for several days in a row. Subsequently, I have continued to write for this publication while my work has also appeared in another local newspaper, the Concord Monitor. The interview was by no means a show of favoritism or nepotism since, as I said, we weren't in regular contact for some time. I am uncertain whether we could still be called friends but, at the very least, we remained on friendly terms.

There are rape and sexual assault allegations going around about this person. I would like to preface my remarks by saying I find rape, sexual assault, and sexual harrassment unacceptable. I knew there was something in their past they were ashamed of, which weighed heavily on them. However, I chose not to inquire but to instead respect their privacy. I also chose not to go to the police because I did not know the victim and was not certain if this person would be comfortable with such.

I was a moderator for a while in Antiwork, dating from perhaps 2017 to 2019. Various circumstances forced me to commit my time elsewhere, and I was removed for a lack of activity. I was not aware of any Fox News interview or the reaction thereupon until I logged in to the Antiwork sub a few days and saw what a mess users had made of it.

Whether Doreen deserved to be removed or not, whether charges should be pressed against them or not, whether they should face consequences for their behavior or not, I could not tell you. There was a facebook message they wrote; I have not read it, nor do I intend to. As I have been unable to contact them, possibly because their discord account was deleted, the matter is closed as far as I'm concerned. I have nothing more to do with it.

I volunteered to be a moderator in for Antiwork Friday evening. I do not have any alternate accounts, and have only used this one. Frankly, I don't feel always logging in and out of different things. One is enough. This period lasted for about four hours, during which time I banned people and deleted threads, left, right, and center. There was concern trolling going on, which I believe was intended not to raise questions or begin discussions, but simply to de-legitimize the sub itself. Since then, more people have been banned. Regularly, the main reddit site mods respond to one of my reports saying they have taken disciplinary action or given a warning against an individual found to be in non-compliance with the site's behavioral expectations and rules.

I do not regret banning so many people. I regret having to resign as early as I did so I couldn't ban more. I resigned because the other moderators felt uncomfortable having a connection to Doreen in authority, a point I find reasonable enough to agree with. Some will say I have been banned; I have not. Others will say I've had my access restricted; as far as I know, this is not the case.

There's a cancer at the heart of the Antiwork subreddit at the moment. It's a cancer that should be excised immediately, as soon as is practically possible. There are a group of users, regular people or sock puppet accounts I cannot tell, who have come en masse simply to troll, disrupt, inflame, and distract everyone as much as possible from the usual goings-on in the sub.

Their goal is not to seek a resolution of a conflict, but simply to express concern over wrongs, real or imagined, whether such issues have already been taken care of or not. It is called concern trolling. At times, this has taken the form of emotional abuse towards moderators, many of whom have since quit due to the stress of being raked over the coals for a volunteer position. Many of them were simply trying their best during a difficult situation.

One positive I've seen come out of this has been an assertion of transgender rights on the sub, something that perhaps wasn't prevalent before. Or, at least, it wasn't quite so noticeable. Bigots and trolls will continue to out themselves for who they are, no matter how unsafe or unwelcome they may make others feel.

There are several flaws in reddit's design as a website that have allowed this to occur. The first and foremost is the inability to make the sub an invite-only page subject to moderator approval. Doing so would allow moderators to search through a user's history to find anything which may or may not be objectionable. Though, at 1.7 million users and rising, it's unclear whether this would be logistically feasible.

There is not an option, naturally built in, to select moderators of any sub by election. With the inability to screen out new users during a time of voting, it's possible to have new people flood in en masse to disrupt the voting process. This would elect moderators who may not be representative of what the sub stands for. In other words, it's a recipe to torpedo a subreddit entirely- if handled incorrectly.

Those who insist on moderator elections do so in bad faith. Their goal is simply to cast aspersions on the current team of volunteers in the hopes that new ones will come along who will behave better. So far, as near as I can see, running people off who have put in years of their lives to help the sub grow and prosper has solved nothing and changed very little, fundamentally.

The message of antiwork remains roughly the same in that no one actually knows what it really is. Do we want fewer working hours? Do we want to abolish work completely? Do we simply want better conditions on the job? Each person will probably have a different answer. I think there's room for everyone to figure out what antiwork means for them- just so long as it doesn't include excoriating, harrassing, humiliating, and trolling people who were not otherwise involved in the initial controversy in the first place.

Yes, trolls, I see you reading this post. And if you made it all the way to the end, please for the love of cacti, get fucked and get out.

 

[Jack Awful]

"My only regret is I didn't ban more people"
There is a cancer at the center of the movement and it's the mod team and people like that.

 

[chiobu]

@Drama Fan can't reply but here's the archive for the poor janny's post

Thoughts on Doreen Ford, Anti-Work, and the Whole Thing : u/WinterTra…

archived 30 Jan 2022 22:24:38 UTC

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[Wormy]

People can leave jobs that don't pay enough for them to live, and get another one.

For the time being, but now we've got companies suing people for daring to leave their job....

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Another big mistake was telling people "You can be whatever you want when you grow up" and giving unrealistic expectations, when it should really be "You should be whatever is going strong in the free market"

It shouldn't be that either, because what's the point of working a job that just makes you miserable? If you can afford it, it's always worth taking a lower paying job if you enjoy it more. Just you shouldn't be complaining that your dog-walking job isn't making you as much as the guy standing around on roofs in the summer is.

It's points like this that r/antiwork could focus on, and as a movement could be working at teaching people to find that lifestyle, pressure their boss, and try and get the systemic change to lower the cost of living, get good wages, and make life easier for lower-class workers (which necessarily involves restructuring the current system of globalist capitalism, but that's another topic). But they don't, and as someone who's been reading since page 1, I know exactly why--because this subreddit was founded by absolute goddamn losers. "Laziness is a virtue", yeah no, fuck off. Like I feel bad about writing this post right now since I could be doing something more productive for myself than posting on a New Zealand agriculture forum. You don't need to be productive for your boss 24/7, but you should absolutely try and be productive for yourself.

Yeah you're delusional. Like I said, if it's not catering to dying old people or food service my hometown has fuckall for you. I lived there for over 20 years, believe me I know. Also lol at "no money to be made in cities", cities are where literally all the money in the country ends up. You think the profits from NYSE are going to fucking rural Kentucky? Get real.

Most of America is just hollow. Globalization fucked it into near apocalyptic decay. It's a sea of nothingness. All the bitching about hipsters you can muster doesn't change this.

Well, now that you bring it up, Rural Kentucky can be pretty goddamn nice, there's a decent amount of jobs and lots of cheap housing. 250K will buy you a few acres of land and a house big enough for a family. If you're willing to drive 60-90 minutes to Louisville or wherever, you still have all the benefits of a big city including even greater employment.

Most startups and entrepreneurial ventures are in cities. Nobody does this shit in the burbs and you know it. Creative, not creative, no money there. Just old dying people and junkies. Housing is more expensive in cities because, shocker, people actually want to move there. Nobody with any business sense is going to invest in a place that only exists as a bedroom community for city centers at best.

Only because cities have the densest concentration of people. In Florida, in all these towns that exist only as housing developments, you know how many random businesses there are? Plenty of them, because it turns out that just like people would like to own their own house, so do businesses.

 

[The Widow Twankey]

Is it possible to peak trans reddit or are there too many janny trannies?

 

[flower tree]

It shouldn't be that either, because what's the point of working a job that just makes you miserable? If you can afford it, it's always worth taking a lower paying job if you enjoy it more. Just you shouldn't be complaining that your dog-walking job isn't making you as much as the guy standing around on roofs in the summer is.

Well that's life. You can have a job you don't like and then have hobbies outside it you enjoy. That's what I tell people who are majoring in art. It's more of a hobby, because even if you do it as a profession you're eventually gonna get sick of it and it'll feel more like work anyways. Or better yet you can find the holy grail and do something that you both enjoy and that is in demand in the current market.
It's not anyone else's job do something so someone else can work a "fun job". However I do agree that IF people can afford it they should work easier jobs.

You summed it up perfectly, people who don't make much at their relaxing fun dog walking job 20 hours a week shouldn't complain about people who worked hard to do a trade make.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Considering how many alts he has, I'm almost certain that post written by Doreen's "roommate" was written by Doreen himself.

 

[Jarolleon]

Cool. Off you go, then!


lol reddit admins are such pussies. Just like everyone else involved in that worthless pit.


What do you mean "imagine"? We don't need to. Note that Feminist Frequency is still listed there, along with the Trevor Project (tranny suicide hotline). They've got an entire sublist of "Content Governance" members. That title should give you shivers.


Spoiler (not spoiler): the shareholders win. Always. And I don't mean the handful of noisy ones who band together to buy 20% of the outstanding shares and become nuisances at the shareholders' meetings by screaming about diversity. I mean the rest, who quietly vote for policies (and staff) that will make them more money and against policies and staff who cost them money.


Even that becomes a lot less valuable the more they chase users away who don't adhere to radical leftist doctrine and companies (even the woke ones) don't generally want to chase off potential customers (or cultists in Disney's case). Disney preaches about "diversity" a lot but they aren't checking for DNC cards at the gate and they always make sure not to run their pride bullshit non-stop in all areas simultaneously either. There's always somewhere comfy and quiet for Republicans to loiter in while the preening fags skip down Main Street with the 12-foot rainbow dildos in tow.

Aren't most of the shareholders these days hedge funds that use ESG scores (which measure how woke, prudish and eco-friendly the company is) as a guide for investment? Or is it just Black Rock and they're the 20%?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Aren't most of the shareholders these days hedge funds that use ESG scores (which measure how woke, prudish and eco-friendly the company is) as a guide for investment? Or is it just Black Rock and they're the 20%?

Corporations aren't political, they just go wherever the money is. I remember during the super bowl a few years ago 84 Lumber put out an ad that was basically a minute of "immigrants are great, FUCK DRUMPF AMIRITE?". Meanwhile the owner of 84 Lumber was a major campaign donor to, you guessed it, Donald Trump. This kind of shit happens all the time. Just so happens being openly bigoted or at least apathetic is going to make you less money then pretending to care about people.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Lmfao they literally are having mod intervention on their rivalry.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Corporations aren't political, they just go wherever the money is. I remember during the super bowl a few years ago 84 Lumber put out an ad that was basically a minute of "immigrants are great, FUCK DRUMPF AMIRITE?". Meanwhile the owner of 84 Lumber was a major campaign donor to, you guessed it, Donald Trump. This kind of shit happens all the time. Just so happens being openly bigoted or at least apathetic is going to make you less money then pretending to care about people.

ESG hedge funds have lists of demands they make of people to secure greater funding. Companies DO go where the money is, but the money is political. Finance is filled with activists.

 

[Black British Nerd]

A guy who posts to Anti work like 5 times a day is now spamming promoted (meaning he is paying for the post to be shown as an advert) videos of athiests like Richard Dawkins destroying religious people or whatever in random subreddits not to do with atheism, he downvotes people when they say he is posting in the wrong place.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Is it possible to peak trans reddit or are there too many janny trannies?

I think you can peak trans anyone eventually, except the most delusional soyboys. The issue is will anyone see it when they do? The posts would just get swept up.