r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

It’s hard to draw conclusions about their “movements” because due to their nature they’re less than consistent or even coherent, but this is true for a lot of them.

they can't simply have a basic "i hate my shitty job" sub where they whine about not liking work and wishing they didn't have said job That would have been fine, even including the usual cringy neets.

The problem is Reddit being reddit they try to extrapolate it as an ideology, something thats all encompassing and larp as if they are a force for societal change, like they know whats better for everyone and thats when things get really lulzy. It goes from understandable to completely dellusional

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

There's a grain of truth to what they complain about, though they are rather dumb and inarticulate.

they can't simply have a basic "i hate my shitty job" sub where they whine about not liking work and wishing they didn't have said job That would have been fine, even including the usual cringy neets.

The problem is Reddit being reddit they try to extrapolate it as an ideology, something thats all encompassing and larp as if they are a force for societal change, like they know whats better for everyone and thats when things get really lulzy. It goes from understandable to completely dellusional

These are spot on. I think most people can relate to working a shitty job, how they don’t want to hustle and grind every waking moment of their lives just to not live in a shitbox apartment, and how life should be for living and not debt payments. But Reddit can’t articulate why socialism actually fixes any of that or demanding free shit from the government. Most of them will think it’s perfectly fine to still demand that the government gives them enough money to get all their food from restaurants versus cooking at home.

I do think there are serious issues but most of them are perfectly happy with neoliberalism, they just think it’s the job of everyone else to serve them.

 

[Nigger Respecter]

Most of the modern left that congregates in various internet circles full of trannies and furries etc have basically incoherent, poorly defined politics. They're "Marxists" but haven't read a goddamn word of Marx; they're "revolutionaries" but never do anything besides posting; they're "dismantling capitalism" but have a thousand self-diagnosed mental illnesses that keeps them from leaving the house; they "trust the science" but fully embrace gender bullshit plus have really kicked up their interest in astrology, crystals, etc (because those are "femme coded" therefore embracing them is "fighting the patriarchy").

They can't even be "anti-work" in a coherent way. They could easily have some sort of mission statement of "we do not want to be defined by work or want our value in society to be strictly based on working" but no they spin off in wild directions on everything, firing from one bizarre lefty corner to another. Like is there a popular "Fuck the 4th of July" post on the front page there?

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Like is there a popular "Fuck the 4th of July" post on the front page there?

Great news that they would rather be in their wagiecage than spending time at a BBQ

 

[eternal dog mongler]

These are spot on. I think most people can relate to working a shitty job, how they don’t want to hustle and grind every waking moment of their lives just to not live in a shitbox apartment, and how life should be for living and not debt payments. But Reddit can’t articulate why socialism actually fixes any of that or demanding free shit from the government. Most of them will think it’s perfectly fine to still demand that the government gives them enough money to get all their food from restaurants versus cooking at home.

/r/antiwork has single-handedly put me off UBI.

What do these people want to do

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

They're worthless parasites. Their ideas aren't inherently bad, but they all fall victim to Tragedy of the Commons, and redditors are exactly the kind of parasites who will overburden any kind of social security system and lead to its destruction.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

These are spot on. I think most people can relate to working a shitty job, how they don’t want to hustle and grind every waking moment of their lives just to not live in a shitbox apartment, and how life should be for living and not debt payments. But Reddit can’t articulate why socialism actually fixes any of that or demanding free shit from the government. Most of them will think it’s perfectly fine to still demand that the government gives them enough money to get all their food from restaurants versus cooking at home.

I do think there are serious issues but most of them are perfectly happy with neoliberalism, they just think it’s the job of everyone else to serve them.

Larping as soviets but wanting to be the people from Wall-e.

Article 12. In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

Article 209. Engaging in vagrancy or begging or another parasitic lifestyle

Vagrancy or begging or engaging in another parasitic way of life is punished by imprisonment for a period of one year to two years or correctional labor for the same term.

The same actions committed by a person previously convicted according to the first part of this article is punished by deprivation of liberty for a term of one year to three years.”

 

[El Gato Grande]

What do these people want to do

Wake up at 11:00 AM

Eat Chinese food filled with soyboy sauce

Play PUBG/LoL/WoW/minecraft

Binge watch shows they don’t like

Watch YT vids about music/pop history/cats without taking the time to learn anything seriously

Being on subreddits with room temperature IQ communities. 1/8 ratio between people who actually post and lurkers who never participate in discussion

For those that go outside: city bars, chipotle, fucking around at Wal-Mart at 2 AM.

Spending hours a day reading about and getting angry over politics which has a .01% chance of effecting then IRL without doing anything to fix it.

Cooming

More vidya

Eating pizza and Doritos at 11:00 PM.

Going to bed at 2:AM

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Wake up at 11:00 AM

Eat Chinese food filled with soyboy sauce

Play PUBG/LoL/WoW/minecraft

Binge watch shows they don’t like

Watch YT vids about music/pop history/cats without taking the time to learn anything seriously

Being on subreddits with room temperature IQ communities. 1/8 ratio between people who actually post and lurkers who never participate in discussion

For those that go outside: city bars, chipotle, fucking around at Wal-Mart at 2 AM.

Spending hours a day reading about and getting angry over politics which has a .01% chance of effecting then IRL without doing anything to fix it.

Cooming

More vidya

Eating pizza and Doritos at 11:00 PM.

Going to bed at 2:AM

So in other words, follow The Mentally Stunted Manchild Commandments?

 

[Sepulchre]

These are spot on. I think most people can relate to working a shitty job, how they don’t want to hustle and grind every waking moment of their lives just to not live in a shitbox apartment, and how life should be for living and not debt payments. But Reddit can’t articulate why socialism actually fixes any of that or demanding free shit from the government. Most of them will think it’s perfectly fine to still demand that the government gives them enough money to get all their food from restaurants versus cooking at home.

I do think there are serious issues but most of them are perfectly happy with neoliberalism, they just think it’s the job of everyone else to serve them.

Man I remember when I first hit rock bottom and was explicitly eating as little as possible to not be a burden on my parent. Eating rice and eggs, baked potatos, ramen noodles, mac and cheese, spaghetti with no meatballs, drinking flavor water. When I went on food stamps and got $250 a month I didn't even know what to do with the extra $150 so I just splurged a bit on frozen pizza and tater tots from the freezer, handed out free food and traded food for things.

I'm totally fine with a measly $300 or $400 a month UBI, that's genuinely enough for a reasonable man to live like a king. You can buy tools, you can relax, you can visit a theme park once in a while. If you need more than that, you only have to work for like a week. If you gave that much to 400 million people, including giving it to babies (their parents to take care of them I guess), that costs 160 billion a month. Fast food can just get shut down unless rich people want to prop it up with their own dollars to pay the workers $20/hr. I can make better chicken nuggies than Wendy's for nothing anyway.

Kind of the only reason some of my friends were vicariously doing the equivalent of hosuework on survival-crafting games is because it costs too much money in real life and work makes them too tired, having no future and not seeing anybody makes them depressed, and most of them don't even have a lawn to mow. I don't really care about appeasing urbanites but giving the actual common man breathing room to enjoy life enough that he just starts wiring up his own house for fun is honestly what I'd like to see. I think the reasonable man wants to live like a tradie where he is useful to the world and likes being around others, but operates on a schedule that revolves around his own biology as he knows it. Sadly it costs like $15,000 to become a tradie, you get paid like shit for the first quarter of your "career", you're required by law to be someone's bitch for 5 years to earn your own freedom to start a business, and the trade market is oversaturated where there's a guy for each utility per square mile.

Either way there's gotta be a solution some time soon because in the next few years another couple thousand people around here are going to lose their jobs to a robot factory. A huge power plant opened up here and the company said they'd give the jobs to locals, then imported people from across the country instead. There's going to be even less places to turn to as time goes on and the only input I see from boomers, liberal Shlomo Goldstein, Xirsten the software developer, and /pol/tard who made money on Crypto is "Lol serves the retards right. They can either figure something out or die."

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

They're "Marxists" but haven't read a goddamn word of Marx

They all seem to conveniently be ignorant of this one little Marx paragraph:

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

 

[El Gato Grande]

So in other words, follow The Mentally Stunted Manchild Commandments?

Why am I depressed? Time to take Prozac

Man I remember when I first hit rock bottom and was explicitly eating as little as possible to not be a burden on my parent. Eating rice and eggs, baked potatos, ramen noodles, mac and cheese, spaghetti with no meatballs, drinking flavor water. When I went on food stamps and got $250 a month I didn't even know what to do with the extra $150 so I just splurged a bit on frozen pizza and tater tots from the freezer, handed out free food and traded food for things.

I'm totally fine with a measly $300 or $400 a month UBI, that's genuinely enough for a reasonable man to live like a king. You can buy tools, you can relax, you can visit a theme park once in a while. If you need more than that, you only have to work for like a week. If you gave that much to 400 million people, including giving it to babies (their parents to take care of them I guess), that costs 160 billion a month. Fast food can just get shut down unless rich people want to prop it up with their own dollars to pay the workers $20/hr. I can make better chicken nuggies than Wendy's for nothing anyway.

Kind of the only reason some of my friends were vicariously doing the equivalent of hosuework on survival-crafting games is because it costs too much money in real life and work makes them too tired, having no future and not seeing anybody makes them depressed, and most of them don't even have a lawn to mow. I don't really care about appeasing urbanites but giving the actual common man breathing room to enjoy life enough that he just starts wiring up his own house for fun is honestly what I'd like to see. I think the reasonable man wants to live like a tradie where he is useful to the world and likes being around others, but operates on a schedule that revolves around his own biology as he knows it. Sadly it costs like $15,000 to become a tradie, you get paid like shit for the first quarter of your "career", you're required by law to be someone's bitch for 5 years to earn your own freedom to start a business, and the trade market is oversaturated where there's a guy for each utility per square mile.

Either way there's gotta be a solution some time soon because in the next few years another couple thousand people around here are going to lose their jobs to a robot factory. A huge power plant opened up here and the company said they'd give the jobs to locals, then imported people from across the country instead. There's going to be even less places to turn to as time goes on and the only input I see from boomers, liberal Shlomo Goldstein, Xirsten the software developer, and /pol/tard who made money on Crypto is "Lol serves the retards right. They can either figure something out or die."

I think UBI could be successful if done right. Enough to buy some basic food and healthcare, and rent for a 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom dorm-sized apartment. Enough so unfortunates and miserable people aren’t pushed below sustenance levels. Morally I don’t care much about NEETs being losers if it means people aren’t dying on the streets.

It is a lot of money, but (for Americans) we’re getting to the point where a massive deficit is a fact of life. I’d rather see the tens of billions Biden signs away each month going to UBI instead of foreign “allies”, shady green energy funds, or fucking corporate bailouts. In the future the financial system and manufacturing technology will likely get even more capable than they are today, making the support of UBI even easier.

Everything fucking falls apart in execution.

Any government effort at aid distribution will be a feeding frenzy for companies who have corrupt relationships with the government. If the government guarantees dorm-sizes apartments like I described, the real estate company will probably get away with charging the government rents of +$2,000 a month because the owners are friends with people in the executive branch. Case in point many people charged with financial oversight in the government today have a background getting rich on Wall Street (hmm, I wonder why they would accept a gov position which supposedly pays less than what they made before?)

Inflation is another concern. If the government gives everyone an extra $500 a month, McDicks and your local apartment campus will calculate higher prices accordingly. The answer commies have to this is “well, then you have price ceilings, DUH”, which is another layer of complexity and opportunities for corruption and failure.

Lastly, even if you gave people enough to live on, many would still fuck it up. America is full of people who live paycheck to paycheck and have shit finances but aren’t actually poor because they refuse to accept less luxurious lifestyles to save money. If you offered a modest UBI providing just enough to live on, a lot of average Joe’s would either thumb their noses at it “not being enough” or put themselves back at square 1 by trying to buy an even bigger house/apartment they can’t afford.

Antiworkers refuse to consider any of these issues even if you approach them in the best faith possible.

 

[NerdShamer]

They all seem to conveniently be ignorant of this one little Marx paragraph:

To be fair, even the USSR resorted to selectively quoting Marx.

But anyways, they don't understand what operating costs are in regards with paying your entire workforce well above minimum wage.

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

To be fair, even the USSR resorted to selectively quoting Marx.

But anyways, they don't understand what operating costs are in regards with paying your entire workforce well above minimum wage.

These people don't even understand things like logistics, cost of opportunity or diminishing returns, so don't expect them to understand something as basic as operating costs.

I know it's probably already said, but historically lefties haven't been able to grasp most of economic concepts or understand that doing X would cause Y

 

[Schatzi Katze]

Oh no a general strike that will put women back in the kitchens. Totally not what tons of right wing people want. Wages where they can provide for a large family and moral children where both parents have important jobs related to the wellbeing of successive generations.

Cancelled, cancelled! It is verbotten to talk about women's rights, you bigot. Thats not inclusive enough to the tranny LARPer bloc.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

So in other words, follow The Mentally Stunted Manchild Commandments?

This is a good point. It is legitimately what all of them do.

 

[Notgonnalie]

A 4 day work week is a good idea. Technology means we should have already been given it. Think of all the jobs lost due to Microsoft excel and other work processing.

But the idea of not working is stupid. Bare minimum we need someone to produce our food.

Also these anti work types are not necessarily "minimalist" who don't buy a lots of things. They want their TV's and electronic devices, but don't see the connection between all the labor and time it took to make it.

 

[Catboi]

A 4 day work week is a good idea. Technology means we should have already been given it. Think of all the jobs lost due to Microsoft excel and other work processing.

But the idea of not working is stupid. Bare minimum we need someone to produce our food.

Also these anti work types are not necessarily "minimalist" who don't buy a lots of things. They want their TV's and electronic devices, but don't see the connection between all the labor and time it took to make it.

It really makes me wonder how sheltered urbanites really are

 

[Notgonnalie]

It really makes me wonder how sheltered urbanites really are

Growing up kids went to farms as field trips. Being from PA we visited the Amish. I think this needs to be done more. We also need to send kids to factories to learn how things are made.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Growing up kids went to farms as field trips. Being from PA we visited the Amish. I think this needs to be done more. We also need to send kids to factories to learn how things are made.

I fully support your 13th year/ 8th grade being forced to work in farm starting summer then working in other places that produce and package your food. I think then people would learn how things are actually made and the kids could make some cash before high school