Culture R. Kelly and XXXTentacion Pulled From Spotify Playlists for ‘Hateful Conduct’ - The musical clensing begins | Update 1: Apple Music and Pandora follow suit | Update 2: LOL JK

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By Joe Coscarelli
May 10, 2018

R. Kelly’s music will no longer be promoted by Spotify and has been removed from all official playlists and recommendation features on the streaming service, the company announced Thursday, adding its voice to the growing chorus attempting to hold the singer responsible after decades of accusations of sexual misconduct.

“We don’t censor content because of an artist’s or creator’s behavior, but we want our editorial decisions — what we choose to program — to reflect our values,” Spotify said in a statement. “When an artist or creator does something that is especially harmful or hateful, it may affect the ways we work with or support that artist or creator.”

Last week, the Time’s Up organization, which formed around the #MeToo movement to support victims of sexual abuse, joined a grass-roots #MuteRKelly campaign that has called on his record label and concert promoter, as well as local venues, radio stations and streaming services to cease its support of the platinum-selling R&B singer.

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R. Kelly, who for years has faced lawsuits and news reports alleging sexual coercion and abuse of young girls and women, has denied the accusations. He is not currently facing any criminal charges and was acquitted in 2008 in a child pornography case that took six years to bring to trial. His management team has called the recent Time’s Up campaign an “attempted public lynching of a black man.”

Spotify’s announcement regarding R. Kelly’s music came as the company debuted a new policy regarding “hate content and hateful conduct.” It defines such content as any that “expressly and principally promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence against a group or individual based on characteristics, including, race, religion, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, veteran status, or disability.”

The streaming service also noted that it has “thought long and hard about how to handle content that is not hate content itself, but is principally made by artists or other creators who have demonstrated hateful conduct personally.”

A representative for Spotify said that in addition to R. Kelly, the chart-topping rapper and singer XXXTentacion, who is facing charges in Florida that include aggravated battery of a pregnant woman and witness tampering, was also removed from playlists as of Thursday. As recently as Wednesday, XXXTentacion was featured on the popular Rap Caviar playlist.

Universal Music, which oversees XXXTentacion’s distributor, Caroline, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. R. Kelly’s label, RCA Records, a division of Sony Music, did not immediately comment either.

R. Kelly currently has one publicly scheduled tour date, on Friday in Greensboro, N.C. A representative for the venue, the Greensboro Coliseum Complex, said on Thursday that the show had not been affected by the protest effort, and tickets are still available via Ticketmaster.

Though Spotify has previously removed songs from white supremacist acts, its new policy represents a more hands-on approach to editorial decisions such as the content of playlists and the algorithmic recommendations of features like Discover Weekly. Asked last August about its policy regarding artists charged with violent crimes, Spotify said: “As a general matter, Spotify does not alter its content library based on the actions of the individuals behind the content. We hope that Spotify’s users will use their own discretion to determine exactly what music they listen to.”

Now, Spotify said the decision to no longer promote an artist would be made on a case-by-case basis by an internal committee led by Jonathan Prince, the company’s vice president of content and marketplace policy. The company said it had also partnered with advocacy groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, Glaad and the Anti-Defamation League to help identify hateful content.

“When we look at promotion, we look at issues around hateful conduct, where you have an artist or another creator who has done something off-platform that is so particularly out of line with our values, egregious, in a way that it becomes something that we don’t want to associate ourselves with,” Mr. Prince told Billboard.

However, Spotify noted in its announcement, “It’s important to remember that cultural standards and sensitivities vary widely. That means there will always be content that is acceptable in some circumstances, but is offensive in others, and we will always look at the entire context.”

While I agree with not promoting people like R. Kelly, where does this end? Will Spotify stop promoting artists for having different political views than the curation team, the staff, or the shareholders?

UPDATE:

Apple Music and Pandora have also joined the list of people removing the music of Mr. Robert Kelly from their curated playlists etc.

https://archive.is/LaR5O
 
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I have no idea who the hell Xtentions is or whatever. But anyone who removes R Kelly from anything is ok with me.

Soundcloud rapper who's been arrested multiple times, including once for kidnapping and beating up a pregnant girl. A couple of months after that story broke, his album came out and debuted at #1 on Billboard. You'd think feminists would riot over that but nope.
 
Meh, you can still listen to R. Kelly if you search for him on spotify. I think they are just removing him from their pre-curated playlists on the front page, which tbh those are worthless anyways because they only usually feature the most popular of popular (and don't have metal).

However, if they mean they will make it so their algorithm won't recommend it to you, even if it would match what music you listen to, then yeah that's censorship. Anyways, I'll wait to throw a shit fit when they start removing the music entirely and not just from their shitty playlists. Plus I don't listen to R. Kelly, so....
 
The day they drop Dying Fetus is the day they go too far.
 
Soundcloud rapper who's been arrested multiple times, including once for kidnapping and beating up a pregnant girl. A couple of months after that story broke, his album came out and debuted at #1 on Billboard. You'd think feminists would riot over that but nope.

That rings a bell. I guess his fans liked his music more than they cared about him being a kidnapping woman beater. Things like this are why R Kelly still roams free.
 
That rings a bell. I guess his fans liked his music more than they cared about him being a kidnapping woman beater. Things like this are why R Kelly still roams free.

Don't forget the Chris Brown Rhianna thing, where the fans were like "bitch don't complain, I WISH I could be beaten by Chris Brown every day"

peak feminism.
 
Apple Music and Pandora have also joined the list of people removing the music of Mr. Robert Kelly from their curated playlists etc.

https://archive.is/LaR5O

Apple Music and Pandora No Longer Promoting R. Kelly

They join Spotify in growing list of companies cutting ties with the singer following recent abuse allegations

Yesterday, Spotify announced that it had dropped R. Kelly from its editorial and algorithmically-generated playlists under the streaming company’s new Hate Content & Hateful Conduct policy. “His music will still be available on the service, but Spotify will not actively promote it,” the company said in a statement. “We don’t censor content because of an artist’s or creator’s behavior, but we want our editorial decisions—what we choose to program—to reflect our values.”

Now, a source close to the matter tells Pitchfork that Apple Music also begun to stop promoting R. Kelly in featured playlists over the past several weeks. The decision was made quietly, and it pre-dates Spotify's announcement. Kelly's music has been pulled from Apple Music-curated playlists such as “Best Slow Jams of the 90s, Vol. 1” and Vol. 2. (Kelly is prominently featured in the artwork for the playlists, but his music is no longer in them.) Seven R. Kelly-centric playlists (including “R. Kelly Essentials,” “R. Kelly: Influences,” and “Inspired by R. Kelly”) are still on the streaming service.

XXXTentacion, who was also pulled from Spotify playlists under the new policy, is still being promoted by Apple. His song “changes” is the first song on the “Tearjerkers” playlist and “SAD!” appears on the #OnRepeat playlist (“the newest R&B and hip-hop tracks we're obsessed with.”)

Pandora has also ceased promotion of R. Kelly on their service, according to a report by the Blast. When reached for comment, a representative for Pandora provided the following statement to Pitchfork:

Pandora’s policy is to not actively promote artists with certain demonstrable behavioral, ethical or criminal issues. We approach each of these scenarios on a case–by–case basis to ensure we address components true to Pandora’s principles while not overreaching and avoiding censorship.

Two weeks ago, Women of Color of Time’s Up joined the #MuteRKelly campaign and issued an open letter in which they called upon multiple companies—including RCA Records, Ticketmaster, Spotify, and Apple Music—to cut ties with Kelly in the wake of recent allegations of physical and sexual abuse levied against him.

Yesterday, R. Kelly tweeted that he would be giving away free t-shirts bearing the slogan “Turn R. Kelly Up!” to fans at his show in Greensboro, North Carolina tonight.
 
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under the streaming company’s new Hate Content & Hateful Conduct policy
Interestingly enough, there’s nothing about political affiliation or job in there. Looks like they’re leaving just enough wiggle room to keep, well, pretty much anything by NWA.
 
Spotify to Move Back on XXXTentacion Policy After Outcry

Spotify might be moving back on its decision to remove artists from its playlists. After instituting a new policy for handling “hate content” and “hateful conduct” earlier this month, the company removed artists like R. Kelly and XXXTentacion from its editorial and algorithmically-determined playlists, leading to public outcry from the music industry.

Now, Spotify is telling industry executives that it will eventually restore songs by XXXTentacion to playlists, as Bloomberg reports and as confirmed by Billboard. Spotify executives are currently speaking with both the music industry and civil-rights activists to determine the best course of action in the circumstances. According to Bloomberg, the policy changes are still being determined and final decisions have yet to be made. There are also no plans to further promote R. Kelly on the platform.

The issue has also sparked an internal backlash at Spotify, with the company’s head of artist relations Troy Carter announcing plans to potentially leave the company. “It is virtually impossible to police millions of songs, lyrics, contributors and artists,” said Vickie Nauman, an industry consultant who has worked with Spotify in the past.

“Where and how do you draw the line?,” Nauman continued. “I support taking a stand and not willingly sponsoring a known violent artist, but it’s quite unclear to me how you can consistently monitor and apply any sort of similar editorial/social/cultural standards across art on any scale.”

Read Bloomberg’s full report here.

Update: Following the publication of this article, Billboard independently confirmed that XXXTentacion's music would be returning to Spotify playlists.

This article originally appeared on SPIN.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8457868/spotify-xxxtentacion-policy-outcry

What a woke company.
 
Meh, you can still listen to R. Kelly if you search for him on spotify. I think they are just removing him from their pre-curated playlists on the front page, which tbh those are worthless anyways because they only usually feature the most popular of popular (and don't have metal).

Spotify's curated playlists have come to wield a significant amount of power and influence, particularly in the hip-hop and R&B genres. Being blacklisted from Spotify playlists would be the equivalent of being banned from radio play a couple of decades ago. Here's a good article on the role streaming services play in the modern music industry.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/spotify-rapcaviar-most-influential-playlist-in-music.html
 
The financial institutions at play have nothing to do with the fact that art - not even obscene art - is being made less accessible and it's because people are mad at what the artists do in their private life.
I think you might have missed what this thread is about. He's not removed from spotify. Just from a spotify PLAYLIST. You can still search for his music, listen to it as long as you want, and nothing's changed in that regard. It's not less accessible. Not even a little bit. The only difference is he doesn't appear in playlists created by spotify, and you can't honestly be saying that you believe spotify should be forced to add musicians to their custom playlists. If they don't want to promote someone's music through adding them to their own curated playlists, that is 100% up to them. It's not censorship. It doesn't approach censorship, and in spite of what all the alarmists in this thread are saying, what with them constantly invoking the slippery slope fallacy, this does not indicate that there's any sort of censorship coming. Spotify is allowed to curate their playlists in whatever way they see fit. It has no bearing on what's available on the service, and you're free to make playlists featuring R-kelly as much as you want.

I'm sure they are crushed. Going without those $5 royalty checks is going to starve them. Spotify rips off artists worse than record labels or Apple ever did.
Actually the fact that artists don't get huge amounts of money from spotify is entirely on the record labels. Spotify keeps 20% of the gross revenue, while the record labels take about 50% of it. So really this is just an extension of the record labels fucking over the artists, as per usual.
 
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The financial institutions at play have nothing to do with the fact that art - not even obscene art - is being made less accessible and it's because people are mad at what the artists do in their private life.
You say that like he was a cross dresser or something. Like raping a child or kidnapping a pregnant woman don't really fall under the private life umbrella.
 
I do believe supporting violent people is just enabling them to commit more violence. XXXtentacion wouldn't make bail if he didn't have a bunch of retards giving him money. You can't pay hush money if you're broke either. Instead, even after these stories of abuse go public, retards make him into a millionaire giving him the ability to bounce out of prison.

Millions of people make music. If someone is a noted shithead who beats up pregnant women, you should be done with them.
 
.... or kidnapping a pregnant woman don't really fall under the private life umbrella.

This really deserves its own thread, but Geneva was confirmed to have been lying about being pregnant. Her bruises were also confirmed to be makeup and she has withdrawn her court statement, which is why the case has been postponed to hell and back and will likely be dropped.

He hit his girl who cheated on him with 5+ men, including another rapper (SpaceGhostPurrp). Not morally flawless, but I understand how and why it happened. He's already paid for it, he's not on the same level as R. Kelly, more like on the level of Famous Dex (who also hit his cheating girl). Dex hasn't gotten punished like XXX has, the media is super choosy with this shit for some stupid reason.
 
Spotify to Move Back on XXXTentacion Policy After Outcry

Spotify might be moving back on its decision to remove artists from its playlists. After instituting a new policy for handling “hate content” and “hateful conduct” earlier this month, the company removed artists like R. Kelly and XXXTentacion from its editorial and algorithmically-determined playlists, leading to public outcry from the music industry.

Now, Spotify is telling industry executives that it will eventually restore songs by XXXTentacion to playlists, as Bloomberg reports and as confirmed by Billboard. Spotify executives are currently speaking with both the music industry and civil-rights activists to determine the best course of action in the circumstances. According to Bloomberg, the policy changes are still being determined and final decisions have yet to be made. There are also no plans to further promote R. Kelly on the platform.

The issue has also sparked an internal backlash at Spotify, with the company’s head of artist relations Troy Carter announcing plans to potentially leave the company. “It is virtually impossible to police millions of songs, lyrics, contributors and artists,” said Vickie Nauman, an industry consultant who has worked with Spotify in the past.

“Where and how do you draw the line?,” Nauman continued. “I support taking a stand and not willingly sponsoring a known violent artist, but it’s quite unclear to me how you can consistently monitor and apply any sort of similar editorial/social/cultural standards across art on any scale.”

Read Bloomberg’s full report here.

Update: Following the publication of this article, Billboard independently confirmed that XXXTentacion's music would be returning to Spotify playlists.

This article originally appeared on SPIN.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8457868/spotify-xxxtentacion-policy-outcry

What a woke company.

I guess woke don't pay the bills.

Roger Daltrey recently criticized #metoo and ruffled some feathers.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/roger-daltrey-criticizes-metoo-movement/

Surprised no one's demanded that The Who and Roger Daltrey be removed from everything yet.

The Who frontman Roger Daltrey strongly criticized the idea of the #MeToo movement extending into the rock world, arguing that rock stars aren’t sexual predators because they don’t need to be. His comments came when he was asked about the backlash against sexual misconduct in Hollywood, which resulted in many people using the hashtag #MeToo to indicate they’d been victims.

“Why would any rock star need to push themselves on women?" Daltrey said in a new interview with the Daily Mail. “Usually, it’s the other way around. I’d like to have £1 for every woman that screws my ass. Mick Jagger would be a billionaire out of it." He added: “If it was going to be in the rock business, it would’ve been out by now. It would’ve been out a long time ago. I find this whole thing so obnoxious. It’s always allegations and it’s just salacious crap. Like the allegations against Pete [Townshend] when he got arrested.”

Daltrey’s bandmate Townshend was cautioned by police in 2003 for using his credit card four years previously to access a website that carried child pornography. He was later cleared of all charges following a four-month investigation. “He didn’t have anything on his computer at all,” Daltrey said in the new interview. “He was accused of downloading, accused of this and accused of that. They never found one fucking thing on 35 computers. It’s a joke.”

In the same interview, Daltrey said he was continuing work on a movie about late Who drummer Keith Moon. The band were recently reported to be in negotiations for a residency in Las Vegas, replacing Elton John. The report suggested that the run could last two years and net the Who $46 million.

He's crazy if he thinks nothing has ever happened. A lot of women push themselves on rock stars. That's totally true. But to say nothing bad ever went on and no one was ever raped is ridiculous. If R Kelly can get away with it for so long in the R&B world then there's some rock version of R Kelly out there too.

That said it's bad business to try to prevent people from listening to music that makes your streaming service money. Especially in cases where the artist isn't sitting in jail for sex crimes. If people want to listen to R Kelly they should be able to do so. And in 2018 it's no longer as appealing or realistic to tell people to just buy the CD if they want the music that badly.
 
This really deserves its own thread, but Geneva was confirmed to have been lying about being pregnant. Her bruises were also confirmed to be makeup and she has withdrawn her court statement, which is why the case has been postponed to hell and back and will likely be dropped.

He hit his girl who cheated on him with 5+ men, including another rapper (SpaceGhostPurrp). Not morally flawless, but I understand how and why it happened. He's already paid for it, he's not on the same level as R. Kelly, more like on the level of Famous Dex (who also hit his cheating girl). Dex hasn't gotten punished like XXX has, the media is super choosy with this shit for some stupid reason.
Proof?
 
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