Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Noice Chungus]

I got bored and made these of our friend, Joe.


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"Joe calm down, I just want to have a talk"

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"In prison, there's only room for one Kingpin"

He looks high as fuck lmao

 

[Frost]

You also have the fact that when the right wing was in control in South America, they were literal military dictatorships. For all the Pinochet helicopter memes, he did round up a bunch of left wingers and mass executed them at a football stadium. Or Argentina "disappearing" left wingers and then giving their children to people in the military. So they were fucked up on a moral level.

Economically, they ran up their national debt for numerous projects that caused a hyperinflation crisis in the 80s when the U.S. raised their interest rates.

When one side of politics was responsible for that shit, it makes sense for why Latin America had a pink tide, as it is known as.

it has had a less degenerate pink tide, so you have gay or lesbians but not really troons and degenerates

 

[Pointless Pedant]

wonder why argentina is the south american country that is fucking dying

You think that only applies to one South American country? Venezuela is the worst and Brazil will also be in a terrible state if they log the Amazon and turn their country into a desert. Plenty of failed or failing states down there, Argentina is one of the less bad ones really.

Well, at least in Brazil, the population is very conservative outside of major cities in the Southeast and Northeast, where liberalism is very strong. The left-wing parties in Brazil have won for the last few decades through a more "populist" socialist approach, instead of a neoliberal progressive campaign seen in the USA for example.

Brazilian elections usually go down a north/south divide with the north being left wing and the south being right wing (roughly). The PT is definitely more populist than people like Biden but they're also definitely the side that leans more towards racial affirmative action quotas.

it has had a less degenerate pink tide, so you have gay or lesbians but not really troons and degenerates

Troons/travesti are pretty common in cities across South America.

 

[Übertroon]

You also have the fact that when the right wing was in control in South America, they were literal military dictatorships. For all the Pinochet helicopter memes, he did round up a bunch of left wingers and mass executed them at a football stadium. Or Argentina "disappearing" left wingers and then giving their children to people in the military. So they were fucked up on a moral level.

Economically, they ran up their national debt for numerous projects that caused a hyperinflation crisis in the 80s when the U.S. raised their interest rates.

When one side of politics was responsible for that shit, it makes sense for why Latin America had a pink tide, as it is known as.

Plenty of left wing dictators who racked up enormous body counts as well. One common theme one sees though is that the right wing dictators have a tendency to relinquish power peacefully, while the left wing ones try to remain in power until the bitter end.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Plenty of left wing dictators who racked up enormous body counts as well. One common theme one sees though is that the right wing dictators have a tendency to relinquish power peacefully, while the left wing ones try to remain in power until the bitter end.

That's too varied to make a sweeping statement. Portugal's right wing dictatorship was overthrown by the army in 1974 after going bankrupt in the colonial war and the Axis powers were only overthrown after being utterly defeated. The South American right wing dictatorships were mostly a product of the cold war, so as Soviet power faded in the 1980s the anti-communist dictatorships propped up to oppose it fell. Suharto lasted a bit longer in Indonesia before falling in 1998 due to the Asian financial crisis. Argentina in particular collapsed because of losing the battle of the Falklands which destroyed their "hard" image gained by slaughtering all their domestic enemies.

 

[Übertroon]

That's too varied to make a sweeping statement. Portugal's right wing dictatorship was overthrown by the army in 1974 after going bankrupt in the colonial war and the Axis powers were only overthrown after being utterly defeated. The South American right wing dictatorships were mostly a product of the cold war, so as Soviet power faded in the 1980s the anti-communist dictatorships propped up to oppose it fell. Suharto lasted a bit longer in Indonesia before falling in 1998 due to the Asian financial crisis. Argentina in particular collapsed because of losing the battle of the Falklands which destroyed their "hard" image gained by slaughtering all their domestic enemies.

Oh there's surely exceptions, but that doesn't disprove the observation. You've got a dozen left wing dictators who die in office or have to be dragged out of office to be executed, while the military dictators allowed a transition towards free elections. I'm sure it's as you said because the military dictatorships had no plans to remain in power forever, but that shows where the fundamental difference lies. A dictator who sees his reign as a emergency measure to lead the nation through a time of crisis will be far more willing to give up power peacefully than a dictator who thinks he's in power to usher in a utopia that can never come.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Oh there's surely exceptions, but that doesn't disprove the observation. You've got a dozen left wing dictators who die in office or have to be dragged out of office to be executed, while the military dictators allowed a transition towards free elections. I'm sure it's as you said because the military dictatorships had no plans to remain in power forever, but that shows where the fundamental difference lies. A dictator who sees his reign as a emergency measure to lead the nation through a time of crisis will be far more willing to give up power peacefully than a dictator who thinks he's in power to usher in a utopia that can never come.

That's more of a specifically South American cold war thing. Francisco Solano Lopez led his country to utter destruction with half the population dead until he got killed himself in a last stand. His moronic ambition was to fight Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay all at the same time, which is actually even stupider than communism.

I'd also put Putin into the "will probably die in office or will only retire when he's too old to go on" category. He extended his term a few years before it was originally set to run out and is set to possibly still be in office after 2024, at which point he'd be well over 70.

 

[Übertroon]

That's more of a specifically South American cold war thing. Francisco Solano Lopez led his country to utter destruction with half the population dead until he got killed himself in a last stand. His moronic ambition was to fight Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay all at the same time, which is actually even stupider than communism.

I'd also put Putin into the "will probably die in office or will only retire when he's too old to go on" category. He extended his term a few years before it was originally set to run out and is set to possibly still be in office after 2024, at which point he'd be well over 70.

Francisco Solano Lopez also lived before you had socialism as a political concept. His internal policies were actually fairly populist and can be personally described as a more caesarian populist rather than a traditional patrician.
There are some gray areas though, like Francisco Franco who actually didn't plan for a democratization after his death, but whose successor almost immediately relinquished power. It could be debated how much Franco knew of the king's plans once he was made head of state.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Francisco Solano Lopez also lived before you had socialism as a political concept. His internal policies were actually fairly populist and can be personally described as a more caesarian populist rather than a traditional patrician.
There are some gray areas though, like Francisco Franco who actually didn't plan for a democratization after his death, but whose successor almost immediately relinquished power. It could be debated how much Franco knew of the king's plans once he was made head of state.

He died in 1870 so I wouldn't agree with that. The concept of the "left wing" started around the French revolution and the communist manifesto was already written by then. 1848 is well before Solano Lopez took office.

 

[Übertroon]

He died in 1870 so I wouldn't agree with that. The concept of the "left wing" started around the French revolution and the communist manifesto was already written by then. 1848 is well before Solano Lopez took office.

Communist manifesto remained in relatively obscurity though until 1870. And using definition of left wing and right wing of the french revolution, would you describe Lopez as more of a Maximilien Robespierre or a François-Régis de La Bourdonnaye

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Communist manifesto remained in relatively obscurity though until 1870. And using definition of left wing and right wing of the french revolution, would you describe Lopez as more of a Maximilien Robespierre or a François-Régis de La Bourdonnaye

Given the Paris Commune was 1871 I would say it was somewhat known, but mainly only in Europe. In South America socialism didn't get big until the 20th century.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

>is latin american
>complains about Brazilians

Okay, Argie.

But seriously, Latin American servers are pretty based from experience, unless you're playing those colorful games like LoL and Overwatch. It's very common to see people joking around with controversial topics (race, gender, orientation, etc), while that would be considered taboo in other servers. I assume it's because Brazilians and Latin Americans in general are already mostly mixed-race or live along side people with different ethnic backgrounds, so dark humour has become a part of our culture, and also because progressivism is not that big as it is in Europe or North America.

I think it has more to do with the fact that most of us live in varying degrees of shit countries, the average latin-american most likely doesn't even know or care about things like the 4 trillion genders or about transphobia or all of that, we have more important things to worry about, like drug traffickers, corruption in the highest positions of govermnent and FUCKING MOTOCHORROS.
Also the fact that a lot of people here tend to be socially-conservative catholics, especially in the countries outside the Southern Cone.

Sidenote: I made a post talking about Latin-american TF2 servers, I didn't expect that that post would indirectly cause a discussion about South American Society and Politics.

 

[Jaromar]

The biggest crime of TNO is that interface. My soul bleeds every time I look at it.
And this drama. We got
>troons
>cultural marxists fetishizing 20th century political figures
>putting these figures on hoodies
>eating themselves again

G A T E K E E P

Epic hackerman UI

 

[Raoul_Duke]

I think it has more to do with the fact that most of us live in varying degrees of shit countries, the average latin-american most likely doesn't even know or care about things like the 4 trillion genders or about transphobia or all of that, we have more important things to worry about, like drug traffickers, corruption in the highest positions of govermnent and FUCKING MOTOCHORROS.
Also the fact that a lot of people here tend to be socially-conservative catholics, especially in the countries outside the Southern Cone.

Sidenote: I made a post talking about Latin-american TF2 servers, I didn't expect that that post would indirectly cause a discussion about South American Society and Politics.

Hey man, I don't mind. Always fascinating to know more about such (relatively) obscure topics.

 

[Bajtars]

Given the Paris Commune was 1871 I would say it was somewhat known, but mainly only in Europe. In South America socialism didn't get big until the 20th century.

Depends what you mean obscure mate. The average frenchman certainly didn't know what the fuck it was. He was tilling fields and shit. Hell he could barely read and write likely. It had some level of political fame. More so in France than anywhere else. Where you had genuine socialist and proto-socialist politicians running about. Queue Louis Blanc , Alexandre Ledru-Rollin etc.

And it certainly made waves to be noticed in the intellectual sphere and academics by that point.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Depends what you mean obscure mate. The average frenchman certainly didn't know what the fuck it was. He was tilling fields and shit. Hell he could barely read and write likely. It had some level of political fame. More so in France than anywhere else. Where you had genuine socialist and proto-socialist politicians running about. Queue Louis Blanc , Alexandre Ledru-Rollin etc.

And it certainly made waves to be noticed in the intellectual sphere and academics by that point.

If it's mainstream enough to seize control of the capital for a bit that's definitely politically relevant. Yes, people in rural France didn't know about it, but that's not where the government was located. Of course this was facilitated by the war with Prussia and the capture of the emperor that ended monarchy in France forever.

 

[Gone Ham]

Joe loves Kiwi

 

[Bajtars]

If it's mainstream enough to seize control of the capital for a bit that's definitely politically relevant. Yes, people in rural France didn't know about it, but that's not where the government was located. Of course this was facilitated by the war with Prussia and the capture of the emperor that ended monarchy in France forever.

As i said it was politically relevant in france. But one has to remember that it wasn't quite societally as relevant as it would be in the coming decades as the socialists really establish themselves as a leading republican force in the 3rd republic in the dreyfusard/republican/anti-clerical camp. Most of france was rural and rural france largely didn't know of socialism. So as i said, it depends on to whom and in what context when you examine the importance of socialism in the time period.

 

[NynchLiggers]

The reason trannies began recently to flock to libertarian socialism it's probably because there was no siginficant country that followed it so they think it will be harder for people to call it out.
that and the fact they don't want to go to a gulag for being trannies.

 

[Shovelbird]

The reason trannies began recently to flock to libertarian socialism it's probably because there was no siginficant country that followed it so they think it will be harder for people to call it out.
that and the fact they don't want to go to a gulag for being trannies.

USSR IRL would routinely torture and abuse trannies and wannabe trans. Once upon a time I was horrified by their treatment. Over time, I began understanding why "trimming the shit that rises to the surface" works.