Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[EpicGamerMoment]

Yo turk, do you really think it's worth my time to edit the 1d4chan site whatever the hell that is? It's not me, and that's not my IP

What the fuck is a “1d4chan”

 

[Noice Chungus]

On the interview recording Cass is claiming to be illegal/in violation of PA wiretapping law:
US federal law on this is one-party consent; however, some states, notably Pennsylvania, where Cass lives, and California, where Discord is headquartered, have two-party consent laws. From my research, even if the recording was made in a one-party consent state, the wiretapping laws of both it and PA would most likely apply.
I'm no expert, so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems like the recording unfortunately might be illegal, although the ruling I found might only apply to CA.

Grooming is illegal either. (but yeah, rip)

 

[Large]

how about you bitch to a mod like the snotty little faggot you are?

 

[the shoebill]

"Your Honour. I wasn't having sexual relations with a minor, I was merely trolling them."

 

[DJ Grelle]

The big irony is that Atlantropa was a retarded globalist idea and I can see the Soviets (in a Soviets-win-Cold-War scenario) doing it way more than I can see the Nazis doing it, given the long Soviet history of self-destructive environmental/industrial disasters and the progressive associations of the project.

And we have at least one (1) positive proof of the Germans testing the feasibility of their mega engineering projects.
Regarding the 3rd reich economy: It would not be a centrally lead collectivist economy. It would most probably be dirigism, a free market economy with the government as an independent player in strategic industries. It worked very well in post war France. Collectivisation and a central-plan economy would be unrealistic.
Regarding colonisation of the east: there was little consensus on this, and things like generalplan ost, heim ins reich and string-of-pearls are all quite contradictory.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

And we have at least one (1) positive proof of the Germans testing the feasibility of their mega engineering projects.
Regarding the 3rd reich economy: It would not be a centrally lead collectivist economy. It would most probably be dirigism, a free market economy with the government as an independent player in strategic industries. It worked very well in post war France. Collectivisation and a central-plan economy would be unrealistic.
Regarding colonisation of the east: there was little consensus on this, and things like generalplan ost, heim ins reich and string-of-pearls are all quite contradictory.

The feasibility study on Atlantropa would be amusing reading.

 

[Übertroon]

And we have at least one (1) positive proof of the Germans testing the feasibility of their mega engineering projects.
Regarding the 3rd reich economy: It would not be a centrally lead collectivist economy. It would most probably be dirigism, a free market economy with the government as an independent player in strategic industries. It worked very well in post war France. Collectivisation and a central-plan economy would be unrealistic.
Regarding colonisation of the east: there was little consensus on this, and things like generalplan ost, heim ins reich and string-of-pearls are all quite contradictory.

When the party demands loyalty from private business owners you're already past the state being a independent player. I agree that it wouldn't be full collectivisation, but private businesses would exist by the mercy of the state, kind of like dengist china. It would also not be a market tied with the western market. The Third Reich had no intention to retie themselves to Wall Street.
Agree on Generalplan Ost though. Presented examples vary wildly, and the most ambitious proposals clashed with actual policy by the state and army. If the intention was to actually kill all the slavs it seems weird for both the Wehrmacht and the SS to put a rifle in any hand willing to fight the Soviets.

 

[Radola Gajda]

The Cold War is one of the two most fascinating periods of history, the other being the Victorian Era. But you cannot make a good Cold War game as a HOI4 mod. A Cold War game has to be like Victoria but with HOI4-style warfare. It has to have robust economics, politics, and diplomacy, because you'll be spending 90% of your time negotiating with other countries, spreading influence, and developing, not fighting. Most of the fighting is counterinsurgency, not something you can actively participate in much.


The big irony is that Atlantropa was a retarded globalist idea and I can see the Soviets (in a Soviets-win-Cold-War scenario) doing it way more than I can see the Nazis doing it, given the long Soviet history of self-destructive environmental/industrial disasters and the progressive associations of the project.

Soviets Irl are responsible for closest thing to Atlantropa . Aral sea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

 

[Pointless Pedant]

When the party demands loyalty from private business owners you're already past the state being a independent player. I agree that it wouldn't be full collectivisation, but private businesses would exist by the mercy of the state, kind of like dengist china. It would also not be a market tied with the western market. The Third Reich had no intention to retie themselves to Wall Street.
Agree on Generalplan Ost though. Presented examples vary wildly, and the most ambitious proposals clashed with actual policy by the state and army. If the intention was to actually kill all the slavs it seems weird for both the Wehrmacht and the SS to put a rifle in any hand willing to fight the Soviets.

Generalplan Ost wouldn't have killed the entire Slavic population since most would have been kept for slave labour. Local paramilitary units would have been recruited to keep order. The Congo Free State is a likely outcome for what would be realistically possible, though massive partisan activity would require a major military presence.

 

[Jaromar]

The feasibility study on Atlantropa would be amusing reading.

It would not work, there isn't enough concrete in the world to build it and all you would get is salt flats and ruined sea ports, fishing industry etc.

 

[Übertroon]

A lot of TNO lore is based on modern revisionism of WW2. During the cold war there was a form of idolization among historians regarding Germany, and the pendulum as for the last few decades been swinging too far in the other direction.

As an example. Post war Albert Speer gained a cult following and recieved admiration for those who credited him with the "armament miracle" of late war Germany. Current historians have labelled the "miracle" a myth. In actuality the truth is somehwere in between. It certainly wasn't a miracle, a lot of the increased production was just natural escalation as nation increased mobilisation. But Speer also displayed remarkable competence, and ensured that production wouldn't collapse even as the noose thightened around Germany.

There are claims such as the Type XXI submarine being a failure because only 2 out of 267 Uboats being built ever saw active service. Which firstly, ignores that the submarine class was not denied service because of poor quality like some historians claim, but because the Germans lacked the fuel and manpower to comission all of them. If they were of poor quality you wouldn't have them remain in service up until 1982. Secondly finishing 118 submarines from 1943 to 1945 is impressive considering the situation . In any case it makes the Type XXI submarine class one of the most numerous ones out of all the produced submarine classes. It just came out too late to make any difference.

Martin Kitchen writes that Speer had nothing to do with the increase in Luftwaffe material as he only got control over Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine production in late 1943, yet in the very same book admits that in 1944 the Luftwaffe doubled its production, but tries to excuse it with the fact that the produced planes were nearing obsolescence. As if Speer would be able to personally do anything with the fact that German airplane technology was beginning to lag behind the allies by the end of the war.

 

[Bloudwulf]

Once you become aware of TNO, you can't escape it.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

A lot of TNO lore is based on modern revisionism of WW2. During the cold war there was a form of idolization among historians regarding Germany, and the pendulum as for the last few decades been swinging too far in the other direction.

As an example. Post war Albert Speer gained a cult following and recieved admiration for those who credited him with the "armament miracle" of late war Germany. Current historians have labelled the "miracle" a myth. In actuality the truth is somehwere in between. It certainly wasn't a miracle, a lot of the increased production was just natural escalation as nation increased mobilisation. But Speer also displayed remarkable competence, and ensured that production wouldn't collapse even as the noose thightened around Germany.

There are claims such as the Type XXI submarine being a failure because only 2 out of 267 Uboats being built ever saw active service. Which firstly, ignores that the submarine class was not denied service because of poor quality like some historians claim, but because the Germans lacked the fuel and manpower to comission all of them. If they were of poor quality you wouldn't have them remain in service up until 1982. Secondly finishing 118 submarines from 1943 to 1945 is impressive considering the situation . In any case it makes the Type XXI submarine class one of the most numerous ones out of all the produced submarine classes. It just came out too late to make any difference.

Martin Kitchen writes that Speer had nothing to do with the increase in Luftwaffe material as he only got control over Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine production in late 1943, yet in the very same book admits that in 1944 the Luftwaffe doubled its production, but tries to excuse it with the fact that the produced planes were nearing obsolescence. As if Speer would be able to personally do anything with the fact that German airplane technology was beginning to lag behind the allies by the end of the war.

Speer is actually competent in TNO, though, and is one of the few characters actually close to his real personality. He was a committed Nazi and supporter of slavery but also very pragmatic and tried to maximise production as much as possible. As fascist Speer he can actually make Germany into a superpower, which is one of the better endings. The unrealism in TNO is more exaggerating the ineptitude of other Nazi figures with Atlantropa and the Burgundian System, neither of which would have happened because Himmler was seen as a lolcow even in his time and people like Heydrich would certainly not have followed him to their doom.

 

[Übertroon]

Speer is actually competent in TNO, though, and is one of the few characters actually close to his real personality. He was a committed Nazi and supporter of slavery but also very pragmatic and tried to maximise production as much as possible. As fascist Speer he can actually make Germany into a superpower, which is one of the better endings. The unrealism in TNO is more exaggerating the ineptitude of other Nazi figures with Atlantropa and the Burgundian System, neither of which would have happened because Himmler was seen as a lolcow even in his time and people like Heydrich would certainly not have followed him to their doom.

Even for his supposed lolcow behavior and wackiness in TNO, Himmler was very pragmatic, having to repeatedly convince the older party leaders that to win the war they had to recruit foreign auxiliaries

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Even for his supposed lolcow behavior and wackiness in TNO, Himmler was very pragmatic, having to repeatedly convince the older party leaders that to win the war they had to recruit foreign auxiliaries

He was more grounded than TNO Himmler who has absolutely lost the plot, but he was definitely one of the odder people in the Nazi leadership and wasn't popular enough to assume leadership of a country.

 

[Noice Chungus]

Even for his supposed lolcow behavior and wackiness in TNO, Himmler was very pragmatic, having to repeatedly convince the older party leaders that to win the war they had to recruit foreign auxiliaries

Kinda ironic for someone like him, ngl.

 

[ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ Pander]

He was more grounded than TNO Himmler who has absolutely lost the plot, but he was definitely one of the odder people in the Nazi leadership and wasn't popular enough to assume leadership of a country.

If Himmler was a channer he'd definitely be browsing /x/. His Pagan beliefs were only barley tolerated and even Hitler had to intervene against Himmler when the Church started complaining about Himmler forcing his Ersatz religion on everyone. Basically told Himmler to "cut out the cultic nonsense". Hell Himmler himself was uncertain about his own religious beliefs and made it so vague and "esoteric" that only Himmler's inner circle were "true believers" (quoted since not even his inner circle were really that. Most likely they had a position to keep and just went along with it).

 

[Pointless Pedant]

If Himmler was a channer he'd definitely be browsing /x/. His Pagan beliefs were only barley tolerated and even Hitler had to intervene against Himmler when the Church started complaining about Himmler forcing his Ersatz religion on everyone. Basically told Himmler to "cut out the cultic nonsense". Hell Himmler himself was uncertain about his own religious beliefs and made it so vague and "esoteric" that only Himmler's inner circle were "true believers" (quoted since not even his inner circle were really that. Most likely they had a position to keep and just went along with it).

He was basically Varg Vikernes except somehow in charge of major government operations.

 

[gangweedfan]

do I look like I care? Stop screeching like Chris-Chan on crack, also the event you posted about TWR was 21, not 5.

It takes a special fuckwit to not know the mod you certainly are working on. IF you are a TWR mod, that is , not that it matters even. You amuse me with free mods. You are my (ass) clown pro bono.

and stop anonymously undoing 1d4chan like a little dweeb in your basement.

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fucking cringe faggot. Bullied. What are you, 12?

IMAO dude did you miss EVERYTHING that happend these past weeks. That post caused the jannies and developers to get doxed

What the fuck is a “1d4chan”

a wiki thats supposed to be for board games but in reality is just obnoxious 40k fags and the stupid memes associated with them. since HOI4fags are 40kfags they natrually have a 1d4chan page: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hearts_of_Iron

 

[Pointless Pedant]

IMAO dude did you miss EVERYTHING that happend these past weeks. That post caused the jannies and developers to get doxed

a wiki thats supposed to be for board games but in reality is just obnoxious 40k fags and the stupid memes associated with them. since HOI4fags are 40kfags they natrually have a 1d4chan page: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hearts_of_Iron

A lot of their criticism of HOI4 is actually fairly on point. It's not a well designed game.