Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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Can confirm the Fuhrer's previous post, TNO fans already tried to cancel Red Flood. They even brought up the fact that not all of their devs are trannies/SJWs and that they use slurs all the time. Few of RF devs even work on 4chan redux, outrageous!

Also look at Red Flood TVtropes page, and how it tries to present Accelerationism and especially Futurism as literally Hitler, despite it being non-racist and even pro-homosexual sometimes. Trannies do be raging.
 
How many years it took to make a focus tree for Turkey is a sample of the Paradox devs' quality.
The fact that Brazil doesn't have a focus tree and South America lacks any flavour...
The fact that Greece didn't have a focus tree until very recently...
The fact that Finland still doesn't have a focus tree...
The fact that Italy and the USSR, despite being some of the most important countries in WWII, still have outdated focus tree while Portugal has one for some reason...
All of that shows that Paradox has no grasp of the concept of priority.

Honestly, I don't have much hope for 4chan's TNO Redux.
Everytime someone tries to prove themselves better than a Lolcow, it always ends in disaster.
Just look at Love Letter as an example.
 
Honestly, I don't have much hope for 4chan's TNO Redux.
Everytime someone tries to prove themselves better than a Lolcow, it always ends in disaster.
Just look at Love Letter as an example.
Then again, you can never really know what a bunch of anons could do if given the time and dedication. Sometimes they can make pretty decent stuff if they get their shit together.

However, this does kinda remind me a lot of those 'trying to be better than YanDev games', just with more n-words and slurs being used but still.

Oh well, either way its going to be entertaining anyways. :popcorn:
 
Honestly, I don't have much hope for 4chan's TNO Redux.
Everytime someone tries to prove themselves better than a Lolcow, it always ends in disaster.
Just look at Love Letter as an example.
4channers made Pokemon Clover which is pretty well made but then again, 4channers are an amorphous blob of morons most of the time, so who the hell knows.
 
I have some faith in the 4chan redux. the combined powers of idiots and autistic spergs could be the right combo for a HOI4 mod. Anyway with Millenium Dusk dead, its going to be interesting if anymore mod groups jump off the cliff.
 
I don't know why Paradox doesn't fix HOI4 the way it fixed Stellaris.
The Problems are not as clear as in Stellaris... The Ai is just broken and naval combat is bad.
Again, because it’s not a WW2 game, not fully. It functions best on continent wise strategic encirclements and pushes, aka Barbarossa. You’d have to completely change the scope if you want proper D-Day or Pacific island battles.
D-Day is the only thing the Ai can do, the problem is that it doesnt know when to do it. The Focus on Europe makes sense since there was most of the fun action.

Furthermore, Paradox doesn’t want to touch many of the motives and realities of WW2, which leads me to wish they’d stop trying. Go make a WW1 game. The engine would be far better suited, and so would their Swedish SJW sensibilities.
That would make the fanbase very very angry. the Time between EU and HOI is burned, they cant make another Vic because they lack talent and autism for that and they cant make something different in that timeframe because people would be pissed.

How many years it took to make a focus tree for Turkey is a sample of the Paradox devs' quality.
Not long enough. Its useless in Single player and Turkey is banned in MP because it just breaks the power balance.
 
My question is, how would you improve TNO from its current state?
I'd majorly revamp the South African War so it's not a dumb straightforward Vietnam allegory. It can turn into a Vietnam slog if you aren't careful, but an actual good ending is possible.
It's dumb when you get events talking about the 'tragedy' of the SAW, and of the thousands of lives wasted, and blah blah blah when you scored a decisive victory and liberated Africa from the Nazis. The SAW should be a turning point, in that a clear victory will raise people's spirits and restore American pride (at the potential cost of driving the nation towards a pro-interventionist stance), changing much of the path of America.
I think TNO as a setting is inherently wacky and so that is the way things should trend towards; Your idea of Jonestown couping Hall's America is perfect for what sort of content could be added. That does not mean you can't have any 'serious' paths or bad things happen, only that they should not detract from the overall wackiness of it all -- it is a game after all.

And you're right, for the US SAW should be an early turning point; I think it should be a turning point for Germany as well in asking how much they want to focus on Pan-Europe projects vs the Colonies being a good source of power projection and resources (and if there is any interesting real life German colonial quirks [I don't know, native protectorate kingdoms adopting Prussian Values or something like that?] then they should be employed to fit the setting and make German Africa something interesting).

tl;dr: Basically, I think the Red Flood mod actually serves as a perfect model for what a TNO Redux should be.
 
Why did the Germans even colonize Africa rather than just securing oil fields? Hitler did not have any interest in Africa.
Also, why every character in events speaks like a 12 year old?
The Gibaltar Dam is a Deus Ex Machina to make the German economy bad.
They should just say Generalplan Ost was the reason why the kraut economy sucked.
 
So I checked out the subreddit for this Millennium Dusk mod and my biggest question is why don't commies and troons think that a Europe dominated by the Third Reich from France to the Urals would become this liberal wonderland and how fundamentally different the modern world would be. I also don't understand how National Socialism or Fascism would at the very least be influential ideologies in this dumb mod considering that while the democracies of the west were squandering in the Great Depression Germany was able to bounce back in a a fraction of the time and conquer Western Europe in under a year.
It is a very specific form of neoliberal wank actually -- I've seen it written more than a few times. In short, because big chungus wholesome Europe is delayed -- when German inevitably is taken down a decade or two late the neoliberals now have the moral justification to crack down as hard as they wish they could crack down in real life. Probably the highlight of this is the 'AngloAmerican-Nazi war' story on alternatehistory.com, where Neo-Nationalist uprising are literally nuked with extreme prejudice.
Why did the Germans even colonize Africa rather than just securing oil fields? Hitler did not have any interest in Africa.
Also, why every character in events speaks like a 12 year old?
The Gibaltar Dam is a Deus Ex Machina to make the German economy bad.
They should just say Generalplan Ost was the reason why the kraut economy sucked.
  • It is because they took this setting from a Facepunch RP 4-way cold war game, so every meme German project actually happens to fit the wacky setting
  • Writing is Panzer's influence
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  • Probably
 
The Gibaltar Dam is a Deus Ex Machina to make the German economy bad.
They should just say Generalplan Ost was the reason why the kraut economy sucked.
The worst part is applying western market economics towards a nazi continental system. They just lazily ripped off the market crash from Kaiserreich and failed to take into account that a National Socialist Europe would run on basically the same system the Warsawa pact did. The dangers of a nazi run economic system would be economic stagnation, lack of proper direction, and corruption. Not a market crash.
 
The worst part is applying western market economics towards a nazi continental system. They just lazily ripped off the market crash from Kaiserreich and failed to take into account that a National Socialist Europe would run on basically the same system the Warsawa pact did. The dangers of a nazi run economic system would be economic stagnation, lack of proper direction, and corruption. Not a market crash.
You mean to tell me that alternate histories require nuance and knowledge and are not just an excuse for me the live my political wankasies?
 
The worst part is applying western market economics towards a nazi continental system. They just lazily ripped off the market crash from Kaiserreich and failed to take into account that a National Socialist Europe would run on basically the same system the Warsawa pact did. The dangers of a nazi run economic system would be economic stagnation, lack of proper direction, and corruption. Not a market crash.
I think they did this on purpose to fuel the narrative that Fascism is capitalism in decay
 
looks like one of the TNO Redux mods is already in chaos
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I have been lurking here a while and have made this account to add my two cents, both my experiences on the sub, personal feelings about the mod, and how the team is reacting to the large piles of evidence sprouting up over issues of grooming, etc.

The TNO sub like almost every HOI4 sub is at least publicly very leftist, you can browse almost any post there to see it for yourself. They seem to absolutely adore any sort of wholesome 100 event that jerks their LibSoc/SocDem OCs while removing anything potentially interesting. A good example of this was mentioned earlier with RFK using COINTELPRO and the FBI to hunt down dirty right wingers and black mail them. Rather than take this as a bad precedent as say what if Yockey comes to power, that only legitimizes Yockey using it for the same thing. And yes you HAVE to take this route as RFK to pass Civil Rights integration and the only reason it happens is so they can arbitrarily get a potential Strom Thurmond presidency (After he blackmails people higher in succession) and get their evil FR-NPP Boogeyman (Because there is no normal conservative wing of the NPP, they just shoved everyone into a Far Right wing while centrists are all these wholesome SocDems who want a Welfare state).

The sub will gush over people like RFK for doing something so obviously an abuse of power however treat it as a nightmare if that happens in a right wing state. I am not saying RFK makes a police state, however he sets the groundwork for what could have had potential as a going too far in one direction. Similarly, Gus Hall USED to be one of two failstates for the US, the other being Yockey. I say used too because it seems they are adding a secret LibSoc route (Presumably Hall gets impeached/assassinated or simply doesn't go full communism and just becomes yet another LibSoc wank). The sub seems to have been saner before as Panzer had to tell people to stop celebrating people like Meinhoff and Kovner (Who both ultimately want to genocide the Germans) as heros, which should give you an idea of how autistic the sub is.

Furthermore, looking at all these leaks on how dysfunctional the mod team was, with only a handful of devs being the face of the mod and likely doing little work beyond reviewing underlings work, it is no surprise that there have been quite a few leaks from disgruntled team members being forced to do crunch time for a FREE mod. There is significant gaps in quality between teams and some teams rarely communicate, see the Japan and GEACPS teams lack of communication for example. This doesn't lend itself well to the mod when I last played it probably around August last year. In England there is a possible military coup if the loyalists win the civil war, in which Montgomery takes over. The issue is Monty had no content, so it basically broke England from doing anything. This wouldn't be an issue but somehow they couldn't figure to lock or disable that coup until they cold implement content yet could do an entire event chain with two branching paths focusing on two lesbians in England who joined HMMLER (In the HMMLER end they get secretly married and live in a flat together, loyalists one dies while other flees to the US). On top of this, said England content was delayed from first release entirely (running only up till the end of the civil war) and a number of paths, most interestingly a MonSoc England path for HMMLER was cut. Instead, final build HMMLER England has le holsum LibSocs which may go cursed Tankies republic path, and le cringe LibDems monarchy which hosts Enoch Powell as a party member. Said Enoch Powell quotes his Rivers of Blood speech despite Britain being in totally different circumstances in TNO compared to real life, being ravaged both by slow rebuilding post-WW2 and a civil war, against immigration and refugees in Britain. It seems they just googled Powell and saw he was anti-immigration to Britain and stopped there rather than check his actual positions.

An addendum to this that may be heresay, a friend told me they added an event where Edward VII is captured by rebels, gives a Nazi salute, then calls two women kissing whores which again removes the nuances of Edward's very mysterious relationship with the Third Reich in real life. He may be wrong about this event being in game however. It was a fanfic story someone posted on the sub though.

I mentioned I stopped playing in around mid-2020, and that is due to me receiving a permaban over stating ableism is a stupid concept.
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Furthermore they banned discussion of their stupid canon idea for the 70s era of the US aiding Germany against a vengeful Zhukov and effectively turning Europe into a US puppet state before the OFN collapses (Cause muh US Imperialism). US Imperialism seems to be the new focus of the mod as some have previously stated. A perfect example is going full-OFN Victory in the South African War and turning the African RKs into OFN puppet states to be transitioned into functional democracies that is deliberately designed to show America bad cause you are forced to napalm villages and shit. Again nevermind that some of the RKs were literal Holocaust camps.
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The reaction of the mods to the leak doesn't surprise me, especially with the fact they immediately resort to their favorite strawman, Russian fans who are "Nazis" (read don't have the same globohomo politics as the Western mod team) and everyone discussing leaks or Discord screenshots are evil transphobes who need banned immediately because investigating the allegations of grooming is wrong due to the source of screenshots. I don't think it will kill TNO but it will muddy it's reputation especially with the number of people banned and number of leaked discord posts, dev logs, etc.
 
Ah yeah, the one with libdem Biden and fascist Trump. I'm interested in how they presented Russia and China lol.
isnt millenium dawn the mod where theresa may runs concentration camps? or am i thinking of a different modern day mod?
 
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