Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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The EU's peace treaty against Russia is represented as some kind of grave injustice that requires Russia to go to war against Europe, even if Navalny comes out on top. Navlany being railroaded into a war with the EU is absurd, basically a meme path on the level of Senhor Hilter.
Applies to all "lose the 1st war" paths (except Japan).
"We lost 1 war against Russia, time to make that Gaul LARPer the emperor."
"We got humiliated invading Taiwan, time to depose Xi and install liberals!"
 
Also WTF happens in 76? What is the Republican part finding out? Also the timeline is a bit wonky. I though Schflay was a 72 president…
IIRC the leak was that Schflay is not only a conservative Catholic (accurate) but somehow is as bad as Nazi Germany as though she’s executing homosexuals and communists in the streets, but has to step down because her son gets outed as gay, then that flowchart happens. I assume “finding out” is a blowout in the next election, a series of events about legalizing gay marriage and passing the Equal Rights Amendment etc.

Though I think there are obvious concerns about plausibility or the best way to take things, I actually like the way TFR just hands it off to ziggers, at least they’ll get the wars and focus trees done. If they need to dial it back a bit so it doesn’t turn into a 764 discord that’s fine, but I think it’d be hilarious to have unironic wumao, British imperialists, French royalists, and all sorts of other spergs to make their own content. As long as it’s a power fantasy for their own country and doesn’t mess up others’ work it just makes more content for a war game. There’s a meme I can’t find right now about world building where it’s the virgin sitting down and thinking about deep lore and the chad just says “Your kink + your political power fantasy = your world building” and it’s pretty clear which one makes for a fun mod that actually puts content out on time.
 
TFR has a very inexplicable bias against liberalism and Europe.
The cause might be as innocent as the fact that making interesting "normal" content for liberalism and Europe wouldn't be all that easy. Think democratic Britain and USA in vanilla, not exactly a thrill to play, especially if WW2 wouldn't happen.
It's one thing that Russia is so absurdly powerful (It was generally expected that Russia would be capable of what it does in TFR before 2022)
I think it's a widely known fact among the players that Russia simply can't win in any realistic scenario ingame (it's just pure math, though 1EW might be closer than one would think), so to avoid a mod where Russia loses both wars every time, they have to give it unrealistic power, be it ridiculous buffs or magical troops appearing out of thin air. Related to that is that Sweden and Finland have been banned from participating in the 1EW since a Russian AI (and most players I imagine) simply could not deal with all that additional frontline.

It's sadly just how the game works. Of course I'm sure with great effort the cheating could be avoided, and still have a halfway competent Russia, but I for one wouldn't trust the AI to do that.
The EU's peace treaty against Russia is represented as some kind of grave injustice that requires Russia to go to war against Europe
Again I reckon this is either out of necessity or the devs writing themselves into a corner. For whatever reason (probably for interesting gameplay), TFR has decided that the 2EW absolutely must happen, so they have to make it happen one way or another. Honestly, it would be more interesting if there were even one or two paths where the 2EW doesn't happen, I don't think it would really break anything if the conditions are right. Maybe like you said, Europe winning 1EW and Navalny coming to power might be the perfect setup for a post-1EW peace, or at least no all-out war.

Not arguing against the Russian bias, but I think much of that can be explained with gameplay necessities.
 
Obviously is, and it goes further than just writing everyone sympathetically from their own POV. TFR has a very inexplicable bias against liberalism and Europe.
Oh, it’s very explicable. TFR is written by Ztards using “umm, everyone is written sympathetically from their point of view” as a thin cover to wank off Glorious Mother Russia/Tiny Tom/Big Burt.
My biggest problem with TFR is that it really glosses over how these IRL movements are basically lolcows. Tiny Tom is a grifting LARPer, Burt once chimped out over his cooler getting stolen, the commies are a bunch of incoherent faggots, and Atomwaffen are retarded pedophiles following a boomer who worships Charles Manson. They’re funny.
 
Oh, it’s very explicable. TFR is written by Ztards using “umm, everyone is written sympathetically from their point of view” as a thin cover to wank off Glorious Mother Russia/Tiny Tom/Big Burt.
My biggest problem with TFR is that it really glosses over how these IRL movements are basically lolcows. Tiny Tom is a grifting LARPer, Burt once chimped out over his cooler getting stolen, the commies are a bunch of incoherent faggots, and Atomwaffen are retarded pedophiles following a boomer who worships Charles Manson. They’re funny.
Didn't ADW literally dissolve because they all fucked the same tranny and got upset at eachother?

To be fair though, if you aren't a gay LARPER IRL, its quite funny to RP as either of the factions, leftist spergs or right wing retards.
I stand by my opinion, that KR/KX saved itself from a lot of faggotry, by having the ideologies be ever slightly different to OTL. Yea, there was politisperging going on, but try to find some retard genuinely saying he is a "National Populist", compared to people LARPing their ideology in TNO or TFR
 
I kinda forgot how stupid Votepig and Mango are. The chucking Britbong refugees sounds comically evil. Even if they try to explain it away to not make the U.S seem as bad... actually given the Haiti autism and rant maybe they DO want the U.S to look bad. Like why were they even gassing the isles? Personally I felt Operation Sealion working is a bit of a stretch but I won't activate that monkey's paw as we've seen what happens.
I genuinely have no idea why you would add that. The US and Britain were pretty amicable and I doubt Officer would give the order to chuck people overboard. This also pretty much fucks over any idea of a free britain ever integrating with the allies again. All the germans really need to do is just keep bringing up what the US did and there is not gonna be any popular support for a "free" britain ever.
 
Oh, it’s very explicable. TFR is written by Ztards using “umm, everyone is written sympathetically from their point of view” as a thin cover to wank off Glorious Mother Russia/Tiny Tom/Big Burt.
My biggest problem with TFR is that it really glosses over how these IRL movements are basically lolcows. Tiny Tom is a grifting LARPer, Burt once chimped out over his cooler getting stolen, the commies are a bunch of incoherent faggots, and Atomwaffen are retarded pedophiles following a boomer who worships Charles Manson. They’re funny.
How would you rate Mike Ma and Bob Avakian?
Those two are my most hyped up paths ngl. WHEN THE FUCK ARE THEY RELEASING CASCADIA?!
 
I genuinely have no idea why you would add that. The US and Britain were pretty amicable and I doubt Officer would give the order to chuck people overboard. This also pretty much fucks over any idea of a free britain ever integrating with the allies again. All the germans really need to do is just keep bringing up what the US did and there is not gonna be any popular support for a "free" britain ever.
In the one thread I linked they even rightfully point out America saved fucking zipperheads in Nam, throwing choppers off of carriers and such to fit more people to get them out of there when the commies started to come. And those were again zipperheads. These are not only a wartime ally of the U.S who share a language, history, and culture. They don't even have to be in America. They can just shove them in Canada if they really want to. The U.S' leads reply to this was "Well uh.... America turned down Slavic and Jewish refugees in WW2!" That's not the case especially as its already TNO lore a lot of Russians fled to America and most Russian warlords aside from the fascist ones are a bit Ameriaboo in this timeline. Even so the only one I heard about is FDR's administration or maybe it was Hoover's? Turned down a boat full of kikes once in the 30s and that was it. That's way different from a wartime ally with Nazis on the war march. They also mention that America did not want to build refugee camps for them cause... reasons! Even though again Canada is right there. Its just comically evil as even the fascist Italian and the fucking Japanese respected drowning sailors and especially civilians when they could. IIRC only Nazi Germany had a problem with rescuing sailors at sea which the Italian admiral mocked Donitz for. Having America legit just chuck Britbongs into the sea is fucking ridiculous.
 
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I genuinely have no idea why you would add that. The US and Britain were pretty amicable and I doubt Officer would give the order to chuck people overboard. This also pretty much fucks over any idea of a free britain ever integrating with the allies again. All the germans really need to do is just keep bringing up what the US did and there is not gonna be any popular support for a "free" britain ever.
It's literally taking stories from Dunkirk where the British who were conducting the evacuation having preference to their own men and ramping it to 11 you'd presume if someone was on the ship regardless of their nationality they'd keep them on board. I'd buy maybe an event saying that US ships preferred to save US men first but actively chucking off British sailors is just an insane scenario.
 
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Potentially, if you prefered "realism", you could have fused NSM with PF and give them Michigan and some of the Northern Midwest or the Great Lakes area (taking some territory from Biden but giving him New England instead).
Honestly I think this and would have been the best solution, or just have the Patriot Front and NSM both in a position in the southeast where they'll duke it out before moving on to fight someone else (probably the better solution honestly, given the Southern Army Command could serve as an endgame boss). Rogue intel state in New England with a power struggle between CIA and FBI members while trying to puppet both sides would unironically be kino, and New England would be a good place to throw some commie faction too.
 
Oh, it’s very explicable. TFR is written by Ztards using “umm, everyone is written sympathetically from their point of view” as a thin cover to wank off Glorious Mother Russia/Tiny Tom/Big Burt.
My biggest problem with TFR is that it really glosses over how these IRL movements are basically lolcows. Tiny Tom is a grifting LARPer, Burt once chimped out over his cooler getting stolen, the commies are a bunch of incoherent faggots, and Atomwaffen are retarded pedophiles following a boomer who worships Charles Manson. They’re funny.
I remember there was a focus description in Germany using “orcs” to describe Russians. Not even before Medvedev defeats Europe and they become NAFO, like the starting focus tree meant to describe the POV of a moderate and “sane” Germany.
 
It's one thing that Russia is so absurdly powerful
While I agree that there’s a mild Z bias I think it’s pretty reasonable to think that Russia would have a head start in military power and that European NATO (except France and Turkey) would have severe military shortcomings and would have to catch up after the US goes kaput. I pretty easily defeated LDPR Russia as Commie Germany with no allies (MVP of the Revolution achievement). On the flipside, taking on Fehlinger’s EU as Medvedev was a severe pain in the ass. If any faction deserves the title of “absurdly powerful” this takes the cake.
 
The NATO Moscow mandate has some events post defeat. I left out to events, one you get upon being cappedd detailing the establishment andd the mandate and the return of Khodorovsky, and another detailing a march in St. Petersburg.
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While I agree that there’s a mild Z bias I think it’s pretty reasonable to think that Russia would have a head start in military power and that European NATO (except France and Turkey) would have severe military shortcomings and would have to catch up after the US goes kaput.
I think that this is also due to gameplay reasons. Most NATO countries don't have focus trees and they also have that hidden debuff that makes it so that have no manpower to build divisions with (it's there to prevent lag I believe). As more EU countries get trees the 1EW will become harder for Russia and easier for the Euros
 
I think that this is also due to gameplay reasons. Most NATO countries don't have focus trees and they also have that hidden debuff that makes it so that have no manpower to build divisions with (it's there to prevent lag I believe). As more EU countries get trees the 1EW will become harder for Russia and easier for the Euros
I was thinking that if Taiwan gets a tree just for the war and Australia gets a GAW tree then having a 1EW tree for Ukraine and/or Poland would be awesome.
 
I''m already seeing Predditors on the TFR subreddit talking about how the mod is pro-Z, plus them levying bad content like the NSM on Czar and his circle reminds me of the Frontier for New Vegas saying all the fetish shit was the work of a few people that got kicked out. The RU-TFR dev lead is from Lugansk so he's seen Xoxols bomb the two regions for the last 10 years while shitlib media has been singing the praises of Poroshenko and Zelensky to ZOGbots in the West. Now when those ZOGbots who more likely than not already hate RuZZia for not letting trannies and fags roam free come into contact with something that challenges their narrative, no matter where it originates from, they feel that they HAVE to change it. Now sprinkle that in with Discord and I suspect the RU-TFR team will get Shoah'd and be replaced by a team of queers from Berlin, Kyif, and Portland to REWOOOOOOOORK Russia's content.
Totally irrelevant to the thread but if you showed this paragraph to anyone Millennial or older they would have a stroke.
 
The NATO Moscow mandate has some events post defeat. I left out to events, one you get upon being cappedd detailing the establishment andd the mandate and the return of Khodorovsky, and another detailing a march in St. Petersburg.
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We got Hotline Miami in TFR before nu-TNO finalizing their content bruh💀
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NSM rework in the near future.
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Another Zero-Fun game mechanic to make playing the United States seem like operating a plane. Maybe one day they’ll remove Yockey and Hall due to concerns for “realism” and we’ll finally have the game that neolib Campaign Trail spergs finally wanted. A Democracy™ Simulator.
Damn that text box is actually empty. I thought the joke would be that the focus text is in black that's intentionally unreadable against the dark background.
 
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