Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Figger Naggot]

Stop calling these things "coups" or "civil wars", they're retards arguing over MAPS.

You can guarantee that most of the individuals on these bloated "development teams" are only there to fuck around and LARP on on shitcord. That's why nothing ever gets done. So when did mod development become a friendless retard simulator? I don't remember it being like this even a few years ago. Maybe they've been attention whores all along and I didn't realize it before I started reading about them on here. There wasn't much internal "drama" to hear about from any sort of modding community beyond the Bethesda store debacle and of course The Sims modding community.

Fucking troons.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Some news from the End of a New Beginning mod.

 

[NotJohan]

You can guarantee that most of the individuals on these bloated "development teams" are only there to fuck around and LARP on on shitcord. That's why nothing ever gets done. So when did mod development become a friendless retard simulator?

Take the TNO team for example, last I heard there were around 200 people in it, though that has likely dropped significantly. Out of those theoretical 200, maybe 20-40 are coders, a similar number are artists, and what do the rest do? They're most likely (((writers))).

There's a thing about writers in the HoI4 community I've noticed; with all likelyhood, they're either depressed, trans, got in with connections, or God forbid all of the above. What this results in is that a mod team leadership with no backbone will never kick people like that out of the team for fear of consequences (instigating suicide, labeled a transphobe, having common sense etc.). And then, in the end, these useless feeders spend their time shooting the shit on the server, pretending to work, lamenting about how their mom called them gay for wearing a dress, and most dangerously, larping politics via shaping the Discord server to their liking.

In short, there are two ways to avoid this fate: one, you raise your bar for entry high enough to prevent these people from joining in the first place, or two, you take the draconian approach and kick inactive members without mercy and let God sort them out.

 

[Bush King]

Take the TNO team for example, last I heard there were around 200 people in it, though that has likely dropped significantly. Out of those theoretical 200, maybe 20-40 are coders, a similar number are artists, and what do the rest do? They're most likely (((writers))).

There's a thing about writers in the HoI4 community I've noticed; with all likelyhood, they're either depressed, trans, got in with connections, or God forbid all of the above. What this results in is that a mod team leadership with no backbone will never kick people like that out of the team for fear of consequences (instigating suicide, labeled a transphobe, having common sense etc.). And then, in the end, these useless feeders spend their time shooting the shit on the server, pretending to work, lamenting about how their mom called them gay for wearing a dress, and most dangerously, larping politics via shaping the Discord server to their liking.

In short, there are two ways to avoid this fate: one, you raise your bar for entry high enough to prevent these people from joining in the first place, or two, you take the draconian approach and kick inactive members without mercy and let God sort them out.

I feel a simpler solution is to just not use Discord. It obviously helps no one and just results in constant power struggles over who gets to be in the role with the purple colours and most autisitic mod permissions.

People should act professional. It's not going to reduce the state of updates and quality by sending out an email with "have X done by Y date or I leak your coomer posting", because there's no quality or timeliness on Discord. Cut out Discord and you cut out 90% of the dead weight troons and won't have people trying to fuck around by focusing on taking control of the mod instead of working.

 

[NotJohan]

That's a nice sentiment and all, but now that I think about it, I can't think of a single mod that doesn't use Discord. Its benefits are simply too great to ignore, mainly that if you try to recruit someone and then tell them that you're using Teamspeak or something, they're probably not going to be very interested anymore.

 

[Wrangel1926]

Some news from the End of a New Beginning mod.
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Damn, I was hoping we'd be able to still have 1860-era whitecoats for light infantry uniforms while fighting 2030's tanks like a Men of War modern-day/sci-fi conversion mod that accidentally lets you still use the base game WWII factions. Pity, that.

 

[Bush King]

That's a nice sentiment and all, but now that I think about it, I can't think of a single mod that doesn't use Discord. Its benefits are simply too great to ignore, mainly that if you try to recruit someone and then tell them that you're using Teamspeak or something, they're probably not going to be very interested anymore.

Oh, I understand perfectly that creating a mod and trying to get randoms with talent to join would be near impossible without it, but hey, I'd rather have creative control of my mod and have quality work rather than spend 90% of development coddling 35 year old man children with a eunuch fetish.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

You can guarantee that most of the individuals on these bloated "development teams" are only there to fuck around and LARP on on shitcord. That's why nothing ever gets done. So when did mod development become a friendless retard simulator? I don't remember it being like this even a few years ago. Maybe they've been attention whores all along and I didn't realize it before I started reading about them on here. There wasn't much internal "drama" to hear about from any sort of modding community beyond the Bethesda store debacle and of course The Sims modding community.

Fucking troons.

There has always been drama in the modding scene regardless of game the only difference is that with discord all this shit becomes so much more public and easy to become aware of this shit, even recently I've only become aware of drama over mods when I go to their discord servers to get help or updates.

 

[Bush King]

There has always been drama in the modding scene regardless of game the only difference is that with discord all this shit becomes so much more public and easy to become aware of this shit, even recently I've only become aware of drama over mods when I go to their discord servers to get help or updates.

I think it's always been there but the ubiquity of real time chat and VOIP communication has turned what would be multi-month long sperg fests into daily freakazoid hangouts.

Even here, the fact that it's a board where you have to refresh the page to see new content gives a physical barrier to constant shitfests, even if minimal. You need a second to think "is that worth posting?". It's not 90% of the time, but the extra 10% helps bigly.

 

[Adolphin]

Also fuck the devs for not committing to the dystopian, metal, sightly Warhammer-esque and even a bit fantastical and insane aesthetic that the mod was originally going for (which totally wasn't my personal interpretation [even if it was it still was better than what they're doing now]) and instead of cucking themselves by trying to make it more "realistic" and "sane" = boring.

Absolutely agree. As much as I hate TNO's lore or the perverts who developed it, its utter absurdity made it kinda fun to play through. In a manner, its "selling point" was stereotypically insane Nazis, who either engaged in building grandiose monuments to their vanity or wanted to end the world in a sea of nuclear fire. Trying to "rationalise" the mod removes its own essence. Why ever borther with a sane TNO, if there is TWR which does a much better job (of course with its own flaws) in portraying a German victory.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Some news from the End of a New Beginning mod.
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End of a New Beginning's goals were far fetched to begin with. There is absolutely no way that the game can make it from 1857 to 2050, especially on an engine as shitty as the Clausewitz Engine. You'd unironically be better off developing a grand strategy game in Unreal at that point.

 

[KKKaan]

According to the TvTropes, apparently they're doing a huge sabotage of the German economy and caused the financial crash and only Herman Goring knows but when he tries to invade them he gets destroyed because their entire economy has gone to building bunkers for 30 years to repeal a German invasion.

Brilliant lore & worldbuilding.

a huge disinformation campaign that Speer himself had speerheaded to rewrite history and absolve himself of guilt. He was a sweet talker and extremely intelligent and charismatic.

Speer was on that sigma grindset.

Were there any failed hoi4 mods that you wish got finished and released?

4chan TNO redux(Axis of Evil). It had much better lore and 6.000.000 times more thought put into it. Shame that it didn't have enough coding trannies.

It's hilarious too because he could have actually secured his legacy by coming legitimately clean in his testimony,

Why? So that he could get hanged like a thief at Nuremberg?

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

4chan TNO redux(Axis of Evil). It had much better lore and 6.000.000 times more thought put into it. Shame that it didn't have enough coding trannies.

I hate to break it to you, but 4chan Redux's team was comprised of /pol/tards. The mod would've been just as autistic as TNO itself.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I hate to break it to you, but 4chan Redux's team was comprised of /pol/tards. The mod would've been just as autistic as TNO itself.

The mod would have been autistic, yes. But I think it would have been autistic in a unique and interesting way.

 

[KKKaan]

I hate to break it to you, but 4chan Redux's team was comprised of /pol/tards. The mod would've been just as autistic as TNO itself.

Every hoi4 mod is autistic. What matters is where it is channelled. Axis of Evil guys were even working on a CETME-like improved STG for German small arms tech tree instead of TNO's retarded FAL's and G3's. Plus they actually wanted to have *actual* gameplay in the mod rather than being a visual novel.

 

[Bush King]

Why? So that he could get hanged like a thief at Nuremberg?

If he was genuinely repentant as he portrayed, yes.

Courts generally look well upon the guilty who own up to crimes, which is precisely why he got a comparatively light sentence- he (cynically and falsely) owned up. They'd rather give you a heavy sentence than the death penalty in exchange for divulging the entire story.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

I hate to break it to you, but 4chan Redux's team was comprised of /pol/tards. The mod would've been just as autistic as TNO itself.

That is to assume it came out at all. They were a bunch of retards that divulged in the discord larp just as bad if not worse than the leftist troons. They couldn’t code or write because they were too busy posting the same “hilarious” george floyd banana fentanyl memes in all the channels

 

[Bloudwulf]

They should have seriously just made it a visual novel. That would have given them the freedom to focus on the "writing" that they love so much and they wouldn't have to waste their time with trying to remove all strategic aspects of a strategy game.
Besides, visual novel that isn't about highschool romance would have actually been something refreshing, instead of just another HoI4 mod.

 

[0x00000C1A]

last I heard there were around 200 people in it, though that has likely dropped significantly. Out of those theoretical 200, maybe 20-40 are coders, a similar number are artists, and what do the rest do? They're most likely (((writers))).

last I heard

fyi, TNO team member counts are public and can be tracked, even if its inaccurate by 5-15 members at any given time due to some being banned from participating in the pleb server/leaving the pleb server on own volition
The bot that does that is public and used by various groups by now.

 

[KKKaan]

fyi, TNO team member counts are public and can be tracked, even if its inaccurate by 5-15 members at any given time due to some being banned from participating in the pleb server/leaving the pleb server on own volition
The bot that does that is public and used by various groups by now.
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>200+ members
>still no updates
lmao'ing @ tnofags