Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

I honestly would of had a problem with this had Kaiserredux not had existed. Which is what separates Kaiserreich from TNO.
Agreed. Kaiserredux Russia is some of the best Kaiserredux content and one thing I point to when people think it is just a funny emem mod. Savinkov can come to power like seven different ways in Redux for example. Really looking forward to the eventual Austria rework even though it's being done by one guy in his spare time.
 
The redditor backlash to huey being changed to natpop
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The post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreic...tmuchotexto_post_huey_long_was_not_a_fascist/
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Betareich released their new update announcement. Some gems.

-Savinkov leads Russia from the start (Prepare for le ebil nazis) and can get assassinated opening up paths for Russia. No more civil war possible.
-Huey Long starts out in the NatPop section, justified because of his radicalism or some shit, then slides into authdem when the war breaks out and the AUS forms. Also Long can be couped by some people in his party for accumulating too much power
-The UOB update where they basically write a whole event chain about Mosley being humiliated is now in works come update
-Goring being removed from Mittelafrika because of how the colonial governments worked and because he whitewashes colonialism with the alternative leaders. Also he is too wacky and unrealistically evil and part of the legacy of throwing Nazis in Africa for the mod. Don't worry though, he will totally be back somewhere else and not just in a random event when he shits himself to death.
So basically nothing good more stupid character assassination and removal of “unwholesome” characters

Meanwhile in KX: “Lmao KKK ruled America”

If KX didn’t run like shit and relied too much on “wackiness” I’d prefer it over RedditReich every time
 
The R*dditor in charge of the Germany rework is a Lithuanian brony and faggot so of course it's going to suck. He even said that the strongest path would be the hecking wholesome SPD (social democracy) path and the weakest would be the nationalist path.

Proofs:



Usually in Europe, the problems with immigration (and yes, they are full of them) are because the European countries themselves do not want to integrate them. Sometimes the comments suggest that the EU is spending billions on welcoming and accommodating Muslims - shit they are spending, not money. It has always been the priority of EU states to push out newcomers as quickly as possible, to make it as difficult as possible for them to enter legally, to put up every possible barrier, and to push those who have slipped through as far away from their eyes as possible. Let them live in their own communities, in their own ghettos, whether they want to integrate or not, so that they do not contaminate our white Europe. Half of the immigrants work in slavery - in the same sense as many Lithuanians did in the West 20 years ago. In Sweden or Germany, kebabs are cheap because companies secretly employ immigrants, pay their wages in envelopes, keep them in slave-like conditions, and thus cut costs. And if you look past that, of course there will be crime and gangs and all the rest of it, because you can't do otherwise.

In Lithuania in the 90s, crime was also huge because of the same desperation. Lithuanians, Latvians, Poles in Western Europe (and 100 years ago in the USA) were also confined to gated communities, and were also considered criminals, bandits, etc., who polluted the local society (after all, until about the 20th century, we were not really considered white, like the Slavs, until about the 20th century :)) How many mafiosi there were in Norway, how many problems we had with Lithuanian alcoholic parents in Norway, whose children had to be taken away from them by the authorities. Well, we won't say that Lithuanians haven't tried to integrate, or that they are some kind of scum by nature.

So, in a word, it is a question of who is to blame for this integration crisis.

This made me curious about other Kaiserreich "developers" so I looked at the most recent dev post. One thing that stood out to me was that half of the named devs seemed to be """""""female""""""". They are:

Alpinia (has a female furry avatar)

Lucie (female name)

Carmain (Hebrew female name)

Miwa (Japanese female name)

Additionally "Matoro" has a blue haired elf woman avatar and "Zimbabwe Salt Co." has some kind of brony/furry avatar.
 
Betareich released their new update announcement. Some gems.

-Savinkov leads Russia from the start (Prepare for le ebil nazis) and can get assassinated opening up paths for Russia. No more civil war possible.
-Huey Long starts out in the NatPop section, justified because of his radicalism or some shit, then slides into authdem when the war breaks out and the AUS forms. Also Long can be couped by some people in his party for accumulating too much power
-The UOB update where they basically write a whole event chain about Mosley being humiliated is now in works come update
-Goring being removed from Mittelafrika because of how the colonial governments worked and because he whitewashes colonialism with the alternative leaders. Also he is too wacky and unrealistically evil and part of the legacy of throwing Nazis in Africa for the mod. Don't worry though, he will totally be back somewhere else and not just in a random event when he shits himself to death.
All of these seem like good changes aside from UoB (Haven't really bothered to acquaint myself with it.) Göring getting the axe is only natural, seems like he was picked at the start because he just felt right rather than being put there from a place of research and logic. Long being NatPop is an odd choice, but I think it is valid, especially since it goes away from NatPop later on. As for Russia, that also is only natural. Was weird from the first place that the country most resembling OTL-Germany is democratic at start imo.
 
Carmain (Hebrew female name)
Wholesome Syndicalist Israel ethnically cleansing Arabs when ?

Was weird from the first place that the country most resembling OTL-Germany is democratic at start imo.
If by “democratic” you mean an unstable corrupt facade republic with a strongman dictator that is prone to coups and civil wars then I’d say Russia at game start is pretty reasonable.
 
a place of research and logic.
I understand what you're getting at but there is nothing worse among alt-history mods than the religious adherence to 'research and logic'. Particularly with Hoi4 since you play in a set period hand waving is fine to a certain extent to get the people you want in the right places to create an enjoyable experience.
 
Redditards will also argue Huey was a closet racist and that getting black Louisianan's books was just a cynical way to get their votes for his continued programs. They happily ignore that Long grew up in an impoverished town with conditions as functionally bad as blacks.
If KX didn’t run like shit and relied too much on “wackiness” I’d prefer it over RedditReich every time
To be fair I rarely see the wacky shit happen in Kaiserdux unless the game rules are specifically set for it. I've noticed that AI Russia flips Syndie a lot but I chalk this up to AI incompetence.
 
It has long been the desire of the team to replace one of our most egregious pieces of content in the mod - the Silver Legion/KKK/Pelley path in the American Union State.
Wasn't that the point? You're playing as violent racists who have no respect for their fellow man and are willing to tank America in the name of white supremacy. I would personally prevent any path from being "in negative stability forever" if only because HOI4 mods shouldn't design brick walls as gameplay, but it seems to me reasonable that a terrible regime would be terribly inviable. Why not add more content, such as foreign policy or internal conflict? There's a show on HBO in which anti-semitism and racial violence in general escalate in an alternate 30's United States. It''s a truly intriguing angle on interwar American politics and society. What's stopping you from developing worthwhile if unnerving worldbuilding, Kaiserdevs?

People don't necessarily play HOI4 to be the good guys. Vanilla HOI4 lets you play as Germany and wreck Europe, or as Italy and colonize Africa. Before you mention the fact colonial violence and the Holocaust are not mechanically integrated, remember the appalling Moscow trials are. I see absolutely no problem with your designing a war-torn United States in which hateful ideologies have seized power. You should then show me the ramifications thereof and transform the fact into an interesting piece of storytelling and gameplay.

Frankly, I think they just want to do away with the path because it's playable racists, which all mods want to excise nowadays, despite the fact they themselves introduce them in the first place. I repeat what I said long ago in this thread: extremists will find a way anyway. Only a mod where all ideology is trivial, no national, economic, cultural or ethnic references remain, no wars are possible, and all forums are policed could be so sanitized. Design interesting, provocative timelines, you idiots. Make them good, because it's good players and good content that should matter.
 
Frankly, I think they just want to do away with the path because it's playable racists, which all mods want to excise nowadays, despite the fact they themselves introduce them in the first place. I repeat what I said long ago in this thread: extremists will find a way anyway. Only a mod where all ideology is trivial, no national, economic, cultural or ethnic references remain, no wars are possible, and all forums are policed could be so sanitized. Design interesting, provocative timelines, you idiots. Make them good, because it's good players and good content that should matter.
Some reddit users have complained about how the removal of Pelley and explicitly prejudiced elements whitewashes Huey and American race relations in the 1940s. Your thoughts?
 
Some reddit users have complained about how the removal of Pelley and explicitly prejudiced elements whitewashes Huey and American race relations in the 1940s. Your thoughts?
I don't think I can answer whether that's the case or not a priori. We'll have to see how Huey, Longism and Longists behave in the coming updates to find out.
 
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