Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Ryona420]

Oh, didnt knew that, them how tf Israel even forms? Just italian and american jews?

Probably. Maybe the ME ones also flee to the region

Sorry for the double post too but its interesting to see how it changes. IT used to be you got Israel or Palestine. One or the other. Now you sorta get an inverse of OTL split where Israel gets the Tel Aviv strip in the north while the sand niggers get the rest of the land whereas the Italians make a neutral international Jerusalem, This is going to change though as Israel is one thing that gets leftists worked up. According to those list of changes and updates, its just going to be the 1948 Israeli war for independence, complete with Nakba. Especially Nakba. I don't expect them to handle this respectfully at all either.

Whatever your thoughts on Israel or Palestine yes Nakba was some gaming from Israel but even wikipedia and other sources that try to cope super hard on calling it ethnic cleansing have to begrudgingly admit it was an attempt by Arabs at first to remove the Kikes since they assumed the state of Israel would get wiped out. The Nakba and creation of Israel would make for an interesting political drama as well as gameplay if you play as it or Palestine. The issue is you just know the devs are going give it the Haiti treatment I detailed above. Where the Palis are portrayed as victims of oppression who dindu nuffin and the Israelis just go and kill for teh lulz. Which is funnier since modern day Neo-Nazis try to use Israel as justification for hating Jews. The Reich would have a field day pointing this out and using it as an excuse on why they hate Jews. Also I miss Jewish Madagasgar. It was silly and a tad unrealistic but like Burgundy had a kernel of truth and fit into the themes of the original TNO.

 

[foreman 89]

Sorry for the double post too but its interesting to see how it changes. IT used to be you got Israel or Palestine. One or the other. Now you sorta get an inverse of OTL split where Israel gets the Tel Aviv strip in the north while the sand niggers get the rest of the land whereas the Italians make a neutral international Jerusalem, This is going to change though as Israel is one thing that gets leftists worked up. According to those list of changes and updates, its just going to be the 1948 Israeli war for independence, complete with Nakba. Especially Nakba. I don't expect them to handle this respectfully at all either.

Whatever your thoughts on Israel or Palestine yes Nakba was some gaming from Israel but even wikipedia and other sources that try to cope super hard on calling it ethnic cleansing have to begrudgingly admit it was an attempt by Arabs at first to remove the Kikes since they assumed the state of Israel would get wiped out. The Nakba and creation of Israel would make for an interesting political drama as well as gameplay if you play as it or Palestine. The issue is you just know the devs are going give it the Haiti treatment I detailed above. Where the Palis are portrayed as victims of oppression who dindu nuffin and the Israelis just go and kill for teh lulz. Which is funnier since modern day Neo-Nazis try to use Israel as justification for hating Jews. The Reich would have a field day pointing this out and using it as an excuse on why they hate Jews. Also I miss Jewish Madagasgar. It was silly and a tad unrealistic but like Burgundy had a kernel of truth and fit into the themes of the original TNO.

I wonder how they're gonna weave the needle (if and a big if content for the region gets released at all), Jews are essentially the ultimate victims in a Nazi victim scenario and protraying them in a negative light would be an extremely bad look if say the ADL caught on to it.

 

[Caligura]

Sorry for the double post too but its interesting to see how it changes. IT used to be you got Israel or Palestine. One or the other. Now you sorta get an inverse of OTL split where Israel gets the Tel Aviv strip in the north while the sand niggers get the rest of the land whereas the Italians make a neutral international Jerusalem, This is going to change though as Israel is one thing that gets leftists worked up. According to those list of changes and updates, its just going to be the 1948 Israeli war for independence, complete with Nakba. Especially Nakba. I don't expect them to handle this respectfully at all either.

Whatever your thoughts on Israel or Palestine yes Nakba was some gaming from Israel but even wikipedia and other sources that try to cope super hard on calling it ethnic cleansing have to begrudgingly admit it was an attempt by Arabs at first to remove the Kikes since they assumed the state of Israel would get wiped out. The Nakba and creation of Israel would make for an interesting political drama as well as gameplay if you play as it or Palestine. The issue is you just know the devs are going give it the Haiti treatment I detailed above. Where the Palis are portrayed as victims of oppression who dindu nuffin and the Israelis just go and kill for teh lulz. Which is funnier since modern day Neo-Nazis try to use Israel as justification for hating Jews. The Reich would have a field day pointing this out and using it as an excuse on why they hate Jews. Also I miss Jewish Madagasgar. It was silly and a tad unrealistic but like Burgundy had a kernel of truth and fit into the themes of the original TNO.

I still find it hilarious the Jews can still have their own state in TNO but the Poles are Belgians can never form their own independent state again.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I want to blame Francis Fukuyama for this but I don't think even that fucking retard could have understood the ramifications of his end of history bullshit and current-year political discourse.

I personally blame the big lie told in the book "The Wages of Destruction" far more than Fukuyama on TNO's "the bad authoritarians loose no matter what". TWR is even worse on this by making Germany even more pathetically weak in the new update to the point where India could easily defeat Germany in that mod.

 

[Computer God Autism]

I personally blame the big lie told in the book "The Wages of Destruction" far more than Fukuyama on TNO's "the bad authoritarians loose no matter what". TWR is even worse on this by making Germany even more pathetically weak in the new update to the point where India could easily defeat Germany in that mod.

Souperpooper by 1940 saar, we are true and honest arian

 

[Corpun]

First of all the IWW is a meme now, I don’t even know why it still exists. Your average person, let alone your average worker isn’t interested in paying 18 dollars a month to be a part of a union that does almost nothing and that isn’t even focused on a particular profession. Also your average anarchist communist isn’t an oppressed worker, they’re a very confused 15 year old who spends every day on Reddit. Also the IWW subreddit has like 20,000 members while the IWW itself has only 12,138. I think that should tell you all you need to know.

One of the worst byproducts of Kaiserreich is the Syndia LARPers taking it into reality. There used to be quite a few posts of people talking about explaining syndicalism to their friends or family, fellating that they were joining a union for updoots, even showing off their brand new IWW membership.

All of it was for the updoots and asspats from the unironic base of lefties who use Kaiserreich to power trip.

 

[Ryona420]

One of the worst byproducts of Kaiserreich is the Syndia LARPers taking it into reality. There used to be quite a few posts of people talking about explaining syndicalism to their friends or family, fellating that they were joining a union for updoots, even showing off their brand new IWW membership.

All of it was for the updoots and asspats from the unironic base of lefties who use Kaiserreich to power trip.

Honestly paradox's double standard is disgusting. If kids were unironically becoming Nazis from their games like some claimed making them kvetch, they would have gone to lengths to condemn it and even shut down a mod who did so. This is partly why there is such a commie fanbase is if you kill off one radical another takes its place in the power vacuum (amusingly this was Goldwater's whole bit in TNO). Cause of that you have leftists who unironically think these games are a great medium to show "leftist theory" to those not in the know AKA 14 and 15 year olds.

 

[Nigger Cobson]

I personally blame the big lie told in the book "The Wages of Destruction" far more than Fukuyama on TNO's "the bad authoritarians loose no matter what".

Could you elaborate on what lie that book told?

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Could you elaborate on what lie that book told?

Basically that the pre war German economy (The one design so that poorer Germans could afford Volkswagens and Volksempfängers while at the same time the government could ripoff foreign investors in order to build up to the main conflict in the east) was going to be permanent and wasn't design to be temporarily as well as the idea that there was no post war plan (absolutely not true, Hitler made multiple speeches saying how he was going to have a plan on how to rebuild Europe after the war.).

 

[glue eater]

@Ryona420 Actually Onega's story is surprisingly nuanced, almost wondering if it slipped past the radar because less than 1% will play as it:
Kirpichnikov is a collaborator to at the very least cryptofascist Finns, an anti-communist warlord dictator who leads a military junta, and feeds Russians very suspicious promises of democratization...only to actually follow through on them, form a democratic republic and prop up democratic republics he forms a defense pact with.

Makes me wonder if Onega is on the chopping block by devs...

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Oh, didnt knew that, them how tf Israel even forms? Just italian and american jews?

I remember during the Panzer days “Six Israels” was a meme as the middle east one wasn’t the only formable Israel

 

[Chuckwagon]

Kaiserredux's Germany rework continues to come together much more quickly than Kaiserreich's did, now they've dropped a teaser for the SDP. Devs have said that this is as far left as the new Germany can go though, discounting any probable puppets the Internationale/Red French can put in of course.

 

[Ryona420]

@Ryona420 Actually Onega's story is surprisingly nuanced, almost wondering if it slipped past the radar because less than 1% will play as it:
Kirpichnikov is a collaborator to at the very least cryptofascist Finns, an anti-communist warlord dictator who leads a military junta, and feeds Russians very suspicious promises of democratization...only to actually follow through on them, form a democratic republic and prop up democratic republics he forms a defense pact with.

Makes me wonder if Onega is on the chopping block by devs...

That's actually neat. I wanna give em a try now. I guess it really is an example of no one bitching about it cause they never played it.

 

[Happy Camper]

@Ryona420 Actually Onega's story is surprisingly nuanced, almost wondering if it slipped past the radar because less than 1% will play as it:
Kirpichnikov is a collaborator to at the very least cryptofascist Finns, an anti-communist warlord dictator who leads a military junta, and feeds Russians very suspicious promises of democratization...only to actually follow through on them, form a democratic republic and prop up democratic republics he forms a defense pact with.

Makes me wonder if Onega is on the chopping block by devs...

TNO devs have confirmed that it's being reworked from scratch. There are old leaks, but it'll essentially be reworked into a more broad anti-communist democracy tag under the leadership of pro-American defectors. So yes, everything you just praised? Going to be deleted. If it's any consolation prize though the 2WRW submod are doing their own take on it (along with refusing to incorporate many of TNO's reworks) which is going to give Kirpichnikov an upgraded focus tree, a proper epilogue after winning and flesh out the existing lore before and after that. Someone's clearly reading the room better than the other guy.

That's actually neat. I wanna give em a try now. I guess it really is an example of no one bitching about it cause they never played it.

I played it on release but I doubt that they've updated it since and let me tell you that it's honestly not worth it. Outside of the de-unification, all you can hope for is to hold out until the Finns cuck on you and you get annexed regardless of the state of the war. The "North Russian Republic" meme only happens if you pull off the impossible and beat all of western Russia as a three state minor and even then the scripted peace deals may kill your run.

Kaiserredux's Germany rework continues to come together much more quickly than Kaiserreich's did, now they've dropped a teaser for the SDP. Devs have said that this is as far left as the new Germany can go though, discounting any probable puppets the Internationale/Red French can put in of course.

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It's amazing that they put out as much quality content as they do. Just in the span between TNO's two most recent demos they've managed to add a ton of routes to their Germany that gives them far more content than TNO has released in years. And since it's KX, it's almost certainly gonna release too. Honest to God, this, OWB (and to a lesser extent RD and TFR) is why I still follow this modding scene. At least they understand that video games are meant to be fun and not just a preachy political soapbox.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

One of the main devs of End of a New Beginning has sadly passed away.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

Kaiserreich was already shaping HOI4 modding and broader internet culture as a whole before TNO came around. At best TNO has guaranteed that anyone wanting to listen to Reveillez-Vous, Picards now has to put up with the 2020s equivalent of Jojo autists screeching as they goon about something completely unrelated.

Shaping HoI4? Sure. Shaping broader internet culture? Lmao. Almost nobody outside the Paradox community even knows HoI4 exists or would care about it if they did. A bunch of faggot redditors are not broad representatives of internet culture.

 

[Computer God Autism]

Shaping HoI4? Sure. Shaping broader internet culture? Lmao. Almost nobody outside the Paradox community even knows HoI4 exists or would care about it if they did. A bunch of faggot redditors are not broad representatives of internet culture.

HOI4 is the most casual-friendly gsg Paradox has made, and I know numerous people who could not get into EU4 or CK2 who play HOI4 because they like WW2 and it's very easy to learn. I also don't think it's a coincidence that you could find people talking a lot more about Huey Long, Kaiser Karl and Oswald Moseley after Kaiserreich took off. Sure, maybe the side of the internet interested in WW2, alt-history or broader historical discussion isn't representative of the manifold more people who just watch youtube for cat videos, but no one was claiming that it was, just that it has had a disproportionate effect on its own corner of the internet.

 

[Bloudwulf]

just that it has had a disproportionate effect on its own corner of the internet.

I think that it ripples from there further out. What effects the Paradox community will effect the alternate history community, which will effect the causal history community, the effects of which will then seep into the political commentary community.
See for example: whatifalthist/Rudyard Lynch, who started out making alternate history videos and is now invited on YouTube podcasts as a "historian". The overlap between people who watch his vidoes and play Paradox Games must be huge.

 

[JesusChristDenton]

Cold War: Iron Curtain has purged most of their PRC team for messing with development and harassing the Japanese developer.

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Please correct me if I'm late or dumb. But isn't this the mod that when you win the Chinese Civil War as the ROC the Soviets suddenly swoop in and help the PRC annex a bunch of your northern territories in a TNO style superevent? I don't even mean they intervene when you're winning the civil war and they slowly push your forces back, I mean you're on the verge of victory when you suddenly get some news popup and Northern China is suddenly all under PRC control.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Please correct me if I'm late or dumb. But isn't this the mod that when you win the Chinese Civil War as the ROC the Soviets suddenly swoop in and help the PRC annex a bunch of your northern territories in a TNO style superevent? I don't even mean they intervene when you're winning the civil war and they slowly push your forces back, I mean you're on the verge of victory when you suddenly get some news popup and Northern China is suddenly all under PRC control.

Not quite. I've played as the Soviets a bunch in that mod, and the Soviets have to choose to take a specific focus in order to save the PRC, and the Soviets can only take it if the PRC is losing the Chinese Civil War. It basically results in the PRC being confined to Manchuria as little more than a rump state puppet.

In fairness, if the AI's running the war, after dozens of games, I've yet to see the RoC win even a single time, so getting the North Manchurian "PRC" is something you'd have to try and deliberately engineer via console commands or being extremely good (and lucky) as the RoC. If you're playing as the RoC, you'd be best off keeping your paths clear to retreat to Taiwan and Hainan because you're almost certainly NOT gonna win the war legitimately.