Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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Eurocentrism accusations are probably why Vicky 2 and CK3 fucked up technology and literacy mechanics. Like yeah buddy, technology is tied to culture and doesn't spread geographically. Yeah I'm sure some African tribe that spans two tiles has as much literacy as a minor German state,

I fully expect EUV to remove the Institution Spread mechanic since it is 'unfair' and punishes playing Iran or Zulu from a meta-perspective. As if there aren't games out there where your England run gets fucked up because the Printing Press gets spawned in China.
Toji Suzuhara said:
Because TNO devs are Allendefags and within libtard socialist circles the guy is basically a god and Cybersyn would have worked if it just weren't for those dirty americans
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They also believe that Allende won by a massive margin when he was elected in an extremely close election. So close that he was already planning electoral shenanigans to stay in power and enact his socialist agenda that was already pissing people off. Even without the glowies that retard was going to get murdered by the military because his dumbass was rocking the boat while not solidifying his position.

TLDR: Allende was both a retarded commie and a retard.
 
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Ryona420 said:
Part of me is glad TNO devs old and new have said they wont add him in, mostly cause I know they are not smart enough to write about him at alll. Though who did they replace him with as gonna be real, I never check on or even care about South America even in this mod.
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imagine him being writen by the guy who wrote the iberia part of the mod

btw, why iberia even exist? just so they can follow their fantasies of portugal and spain finally paying up for being pro axis?
 
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winderson_silva said:
imagine him being writen by the guy who wrote the iberia part of the mod

btw, why iberia even exist? just so they can follow their fantasies of portugal and spain finally paying up for being pro axis?
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Original idea was that both Spain and Portugal were screwed by Germans. Portugese were forced to give up their african colonies. And Antlatropa did lot of damage to mediterrain powers . German failed to finish it. So Iberians were left with unfinished mega project. So Franco and Salazar made deal to unite their countries in loose federation. So they can resist German influence and try to salvage situatio nthey were in
 
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winderson_silva said:
imagine him being writen by the guy who wrote the iberia part of the mod

btw, why iberia even exist? just so they can follow their fantasies of portugal and spain finally paying up for being pro axis?
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Yugoslavia of this timeline. That's literally the only reason as even back then TNO had this problem. Though it might also be because IBR is one tag while SPA and POR are two so they split the difference and just made them both one tag. At the very least they got a full ten years of content unlike Turkey that got its cut right before release.
Corpun said:
Eurocentrism accusations are probably why Vicky 2 and CK3 fucked up technology and literacy mechanics. Like yeah buddy, technology is tied to culture and doesn't spread geographically. Yeah I'm sure some African tribe that spans two tiles has as much literacy as a minor German state,

I fully expect EUV to remove the Institution Spread mechanic since it is 'unfair' and punishes playing Iran or Zulu from a meta-perspective. As if there aren't games out there where your England run gets fucked up because the Printing Press gets spawned in China.

They also believe that Allende won by a massive margin when he was elected in an extremely close election. So close that he was already planning electoral shenanigans to stay in power and enact his socialist agenda that was already pissing people off. Even without the glowies that retard was going to get murdered by the military because his dumbass was rocking the boat while not solidifying his position.

TLDR: Allende was both a retarded commie and a retard.
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Cries of Eurocentricism is going to unironically ruin map games. The sea of Spics and Niggers come to the harsh reality that their shithole nations never amounted to anything and in most of these games time frames are about the age of imperialism which they obviously were not a part of and were the ones getting colonized. This is still retarded though. One of my favorite things to do was play a shithole nation and try to make it a powerhouse. Though like in reality Spics and Niggers are too lazy to work for their hard-earned wealth, prestige, and power.
 
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Ryona420 said:
Cries of Eurocentricism is going to unironically ruin map games. The sea of Spics and Niggers come to the harsh reality that their shithole nations never amounted to anything and in most of these games time frames are about the age of imperialism which they obviously were not a part of and were the ones getting colonized. This is still retarded though. One of my favorite things to do was play a shithole nation and try to make it a powerhouse. Though like in reality Spics and Niggers are too lazy to work for their hard-earned wealth, prestige, and power.
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The closest you can get to a map game that isn't Eurocentric is something on the ancient civilizations in Mesopotamia or Ancient China, and even that won't appease the Eurocentric crowd since it doesn't appease their we wuzzery. I'm sure some people unironically consider EUIV and Vicky 2 racist because the Amerindian and Subsaharan nations are all massive pushovers unless in the hands of an extremely talented player.

If TNO devs made Vicky 2, they'd have a whole VN making you feel bad about the Scramble for Africa instead of just having an event chain for the Congress of Berlin like HPM does. The apolitical nature of video game modding needs to return where it is just spergs sperging about either historical realism (HPM, A few mods for older Total War games) or building interesting alternative histories that don't care about realism too much (HOI3 Kaiserreich).
 
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Corpun said:
The closest you can get to a map game that isn't Eurocentric is something on the ancient civilizations in Mesopotamia or Ancient China, and even that won't appease the Eurocentric crowd since it doesn't appease their we wuzzery
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meds, CK2 isn't eurcentric. i'll be honest it's pretty fun starting out as a muslim emir and just blobbing until you stretch from the indus to iberia and then BTFOing china
 
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Corpun said:
The closest you can get to a map game that isn't Eurocentric is something on the ancient civilizations in Mesopotamia or Ancient China, and even that won't appease the Eurocentric crowd since it doesn't appease their we wuzzery. I'm sure some people unironically consider EUIV and Vicky 2 racist because the Amerindian and Subsaharan nations are all massive pushovers unless in the hands of an extremely talented player.

If TNO devs made Vicky 2, they'd have a whole VN making you feel bad about the Scramble for Africa instead of just having an event chain for the Congress of Berlin like HPM does. The apolitical nature of video game modding needs to return where it is just spergs sperging about either historical realism (HPM, A few mods for older Total War games) or building interesting alternative histories that don't care about realism too much (HOI3 Kaiserreich).
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You have to remember that they had to change the entire map of Africa for Vic3 cause of these retards. Vic 3 is about the scramble for Africa and I sorta saw this coming and was hoping that Vic3 would never come out. Why would it when Vic2 is enough? But I've seen they filled in the entire continent with nations. In the old game you probably know this but the provinces were blank as it showed there is no real contorl their so any great or secondary power can try to colonize it. In the new one IIRC they have this concept that the niggers own all that land but they have loose control (as deep down even paradox knows they are mud hut tribals). And you just get free reign to bully them. Not the worst of compromises but its still stupid tokenism trying to appeal to and appease the we wuzzer niggers. Also is it still true that military combat is still ass where you dont control or command units directly or at all?
 
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Sooty Soot said:
meds, CK2 isn't eurcentric. i'll be honest it's pretty fun starting out as a muslim emir and just blobbing until you stretch from the indus to iberia and then BTFOing china
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EUIV now isn't Eurocentric at the end of it's development cycle, but when it originally came out you were just restricted to Christians and the map ended at Iran and Northern Africa.

Really the only reason Paradox quit expanding the map is because the game already runs like shit late game due to their own retard coding. Every single character as a specific ID, even unlanded, unmarried courtiers. And the game catalogs and saves data on every single character, meaning that the late games end up a poorly run mess as the engine tracks and records data on a shit ton of irrelevant dead people.

Not that it matters, late game in any Paradox game is dogshit and not fun to play once you snowball to the point nothing can affect you.
Ryona420 said:
In the old game you probably know this but the provinces were blank as it showed there is no real contorl their so any great or secondary power can try to colonize it. In the new one IIRC they have this concept that the niggers own all that land but they have loose control (as deep down even paradox knows they are mud hut tribals). And you just get free reign to bully them. Not the worst of compromises but its still stupid tokenism trying to appeal to and appease the we wuzzer niggers. Also is it still true that military combat is still ass where you dont control or command units directly or at all?
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HPM actually is a nice balance between the two perspectives. It adds African nations that actually did shit (Sokoto Caliphate, breaks up Abyssinia into warlord states like it was historically, adds a bunch of Somali Sultanates, etc. Basically states along the coast that actually existed and aren't entirely revisionist history.

As for your second question, I have no idea if they added combat and never will, since I refuse to buy an inferior game. No amount of Reddit cope about how Vicky 2 and Vicky 3 are designed as different games take away from the fact that Vicky 3 is a successor to the title and tries to bank off it's predecessor's popularity as a very niche and underrated Paradox game. It's the same reason I refuse to reinstall CK3 after 30 hours of dealing with it's bullshit.
 
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Sooty Soot said:
what's progress like on the mod so far? @GoodWinSon i should also mention you probably wont be able to integrate pol pot into the mod, since he's tailored around the new cambodian content. however cambodia could go communist if vietnam (and i think laos too) went communist as well, but im not sure if that's present in the version you're working on.
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Basically just writing localization for Italian Algeria. There are a bunch of indications in the code it was supposed to be a nation with content in AM, so I decided to finish the job.

As for Pol Pot, I don't have anything specific planned for him yet, aside from an appearance during the 3rd Sino-Japanese war. Your portraits are really good and I want to use them.
Ryona420 said:
Part of me is glad TNO devs old and new have said they wont add him in, mostly cause I know they are not smart enough to write about him at alll. Though who did they replace him with as gonna be real, I never check on or even care about South America even in this mod.
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Only I understand Pinochet and only I know that Pinochet in TNO would run an Anarcho-Capitalist/Burgundian System nation where everything and everyone is privatized and owned by him. I will code him to ensure you can only build and deploy helicopter units, like Avatar-of-the-Market Pinochet intended.

Jokes aside, there needs to be more ultra nat and burgsys paths. Too few tags use them, I think.
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I refuse to reinstall CK3 after 30 hours of dealing with it's bullshit.
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I will give CK3 this, it led me to give CK2 a serious look.
 
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Sooty Soot said:
no clue, they just said they'd do it but considering it's ex-TrooNO devs i doubt they'll do anything
in the meantime, i've made a HOI4 portrait of jersh and i'm starting to debug the tyumen mod
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What would be Jewsh's ideology? I guess Internet Juche would be under Paternalism.
 
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kim il sung portrait i made for fun, i should wrap these all up in a TNO "leader replacements" submod
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Corpun said:
The apolitical nature of video game modding needs to return where it is just spergs sperging about either historical realism (HPM, A few mods for older Total War games) or building interesting alternative histories that don't care about realism too much (HOI3 Kaiserreich).
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You know what, screw it. I'll do it for Vic 2 and I'll rework the the tech the best I can to reflect it. Will probably have to tie some early research points into proportion of artisans to better reflect the difference between something like China and the Sahel.
 
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Sooty Soot said:
also turns out pinochet has a portrait in the game files, which should i use, mine or the one already in TNO?
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You put in the work so might as well use your own.
Moja Zemlja said:
I mean why specifically TNO. Of all the mods to co-opt to push muh realism how did TNO end up being the one?
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Because modding hoi4 is serious business for serious people. If the mod doesn't follow serious discord social conventions people might think you're unserious. And we don't want that because we're serious people modding hoi4, a very serious game played by serious people like Rudyard Lynch. If we aren't serious then we might create the next Osama Bin Hitler and get blacklisted by Paradox. Then we'd be in serious trouble.
 
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