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[Sooty Soot]

More balkanization. Stage 2 and stage 3 just decides how balkanized Africa is. Certain nations only appear in stage 3.

I meant the in-universe consequences, what actually happens on the ground in the lore.

 

[Ryona420]

I meant the in-universe consequences, what actually happens on the ground in the lore.

As others said Hutting does TND. Like worse than anything we could imagine. Essentially its Tabby's Russia but competent and run by someone who while crazy is not as mad as Tabby. Obviously like Burgundy it collapses since its killpeopleism rather than an actual ideology. Its why some here criticize it as somehow all important African leaders and figures survive this war.

 

[Caligura]

As others said Hutting does TND. Like worse than anything we could imagine. Essentially its Tabby's Russia but competent and run by someone who while crazy is not as mad as Tabby. Obviously like Burgundy it collapses since its killpeopleism rather than an actual ideology. Its why some here criticize it as somehow all important African leaders and figures survive this war.

The funniest part is their portraits. Where the fuck did they get those formal suits and fancy ceremonial miliary uniforms? Especially if they happen to be rebel leaders or no-names pre Huttig collapse.

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

The funniest part is their portraits. Where the fuck did they get those formal suits and fancy ceremonial miliary uniforms? Especially if they happen to be rebel leaders or no-names pre Huttig collapse.

Wewuz tailorz n shieeet

 

[Sooty Soot]

As others said Hutting does TND. Like worse than anything we could imagine. Essentially its Tabby's Russia but competent and run by someone who while crazy is not as mad as Tabby. Obviously like Burgundy it collapses since its killpeopleism rather than an actual ideology. Its why some here criticize it as somehow all important African leaders and figures survive this war.

Reminds me of a submod called Africa Addio. It let Huttig actually succeed and TND so hard that he could convert the culture of provinces from their native cultures to "Afrikan-Deutsche", essentially settlers. It's been scrubbed now as far as I can tell.

 

[Ryona420]

Reminds me of a submod called Africa Addio. It let Huttig actually succeed and TND so hard that he could convert the culture of provinces from their native cultures to "Afrikan-Deutsche", essentially settlers. It's been scrubbed now as far as I can tell.

Its not released yet. They are a toozer submod still on the tno subreddit.

 

[Skeletonized Cow]

Its not released yet. They are a toozer submod still on the tno subreddit.

No, it did exist. It got removed from Steam, but an archive of the workshop page does exist.

 

[Ryona420]

I found a strange TNO rabbit hole that probably is worse than TNO itself. It was found via tvtropes and was a role play on Sufficent Velocity. I feel its worse since a lot of faggots show up there and since its roleplay they dont waste time toozing and get right into it

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheLongMarch

The link for those curious. Its called "The Long March" The premise is that the Axis and even America fucks up so that by 1975 the Arabs and Niggers with the UAR and the entire continent of fucking Africa is in the comintern faction and in a decade the start to undo the entire premise of an axis victory making it a pretty boring cold war between USA and the comintern. Most amusingly the U.S and OFN get blackwashed to hell and back to make it appealing to why the Socialists oppose them. Having gone down a George Wallace to Schflay path. I will ist some of its highlights from TvTropes below that I find interesting.

• An Aesop:
  • You don’t need to hang swatiskas everywhere and goose stomp to do really awful inhumane things, perfectly civil liberal democracies can do it just fine.
  • Fascism and authoritarianism cannot fix the problems their nations face, only make them worse and create new ones, and blaming anyone but themselves for it.

For context on this and since its talking about America this is what it means.

• Hypocrite: The United States condemns the Comintern and CPS as imperialist and tyrannical, while treating its "allies" as colonies, and brutally crushing any nation that steps out of line.
• Kick the Dog: In order to clear the way for CDN presence in Europe, George Bush orders the Icelandic capital of Reykjavik, which served as the harbor to a small German fleet, nuked, wiping out half of the island's population. In the subsequent naval invasion, American troops systematically dismantle and destroy any trace of civilization as a way to warn all the other CDN members of what happens if they defy the United States. This is followed by a mass misinformation campaign to deny that Iceland had any history before German colonization, with most remaining Icelanders being deported to Antarctica or fleeing to Comintern Greenland.
• Across the Atlantic, many European liberal movements and regimes emerging from the Pakt's corpse, such as the Hamburg Republic, uphold the United States as a Bastion of Liberty in a world gripped by fascist and communist tyranny. Consequently, they enthusiastically welcome the USA's "helping hand" and join the CDN, hoping for a shield against the encroaching red tide and for support and guidance towards setting up their nations as self-sufficient, democratic states. Some eventually realize the US only wants them to be neocolonies for American corporations to suck dry and glorified military outposts, which leads them to consider the US little better than its global rivals.

The United States according to the Tvtropes commits cartoon villainy like this all the time in the roleplay. One thing they do a lot too which is how you can tell a lot about the politics of the people behind this is mention neo-colonialism a lot. Even towards non-colonial people. This gets mentioned several times where either the U.S faction is just mean to le heckin natives, or the liberal democracies that do join USA regret not siding with the wholesome chungus Commies instead.

• The Assimilator: The Canadian government attempts to forcefully assimilate the First Nation People by separating their children from their families and having them undergo reeducation.
• Occupiers Out of Our Country: The United States of Cascadia is established by First Nation rebels of varying ideologies, but all adamant in their desire to maintain their sovereignty and never again be subject to colonial rule and its inhumanity.
• A phony "decolonial" puppet state propped up by the USA alonside the Metis Republic and the Haudenosaunee Union. It occupies Saskatchewan and parts of Alberta.
  

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  • Puppet State: The Iron Confederacy is a nominally independent puppet state of the United States established as part of a pseudo-decolonial project.

This also gets mentioned in the Australia page which was more telling where they write a plot point on how Aussies giving abbos free shit and more immigrants makes them stronger together.

• The Atoner: Australia (eventually Oceania), while still remaining liberal and capitalist under its Labor-dominated government, has set out to "decolonize" itself (beginning with the repeal of White Australia and implementing other anti-racist legislation) and fight fascism and Japanese imperialism abroad while coordinating with the Comintern ever since its humbling defeat at its hands in the Great African War along with the rest of the OFN. Subverted as some of its methods of doing so have been criticized as misguided, paternalistic and unintentionally bigoted however well-intentionednote . More skeptical voices within the Comintern see it as simply a cynical attempt by the Australian ruling class at revitalizing their nation as a major power through immigration and trade.
• A Lighter Shade of Gray: Oceania (formerly Australia and New Zealand/Aotearoa) is the "friendliest" to the Comintern, having formed trade agreements with them and cooperating on ecological conservationism. Their society is still rather racist however, and they have a poor record of indigenous rights, even despite their best efforts in addressing these issues.

Granted these probably are literal kids and teens writing this but it actually makes me appreciate TNO even the new slop more. Its kind of a wasted potential and even literally why, as America in this basically is just Japan and Germany combined. It was the whole neo-colonialism, colonial puppet state things Germany has of supporting white supremacy or whatever and it acts like American companies are as bad if not ten times worse than zaibatsus.

Also remember when one of you mentioned the thing that these writers tend to write strange revenge fantast porn? That happens here too with Ronnie of all people.

• Richard Nixon, the Used Car Salesman:
  • George Bush Jr. never gets into politics, leading an unremarkable life as an oil magnate.
  • Ronald Reagan's acting career bombed, and he found himself as a homeless drug addict.

I will finish this off to by showing my point that this trope of movies are different shows their retarded faggot politics.

• Different World, Different Movies:
  • American comic books superheroes heavily deteriorate alongside America's descent into overt white supremacism. Comintern Comics create a rival canon re-using many superheroes with their own interpretation of the characters.
    • Superman is an example of the white supremacist übermensch, even becoming an honorary member of the NSDAP after saving Speer from Burgundian terrorists.
    • Iron Man never gets popular outside of America, especially after the issue where he “solves” racism by making a machine that turns black people white.
    • Spider-Man is cancelled after Marvel Comics awkwardly tried to turn him into a small business owner white moderate kind of hero, which just tanked his popularity and made them scrap him altogether.
  • Star Wars is never made due to George Lucas being blacklisted from the filmmaking business for "communist sympathies".
  • A series named Star Trek exists but has nothing to do with the OTL version, being made by a Boer expat director who based the series loosely on the Boer Trekkers, with the show focusing on the efforts of the America-coded Democratic Star Confederacy's vanguard fleet to clear habitable planets of natives and subdue them (with the prime directive referring to subjucation protocols).
  • Red Dawn (1984) is made with a heavy dose of white supremacism and antisemitism added to the Dirty Communists invading the USA and a different ending where American and Nazi German forces arrive on time to save the day. The film is originally meant to feature blacks and arabs as the main enemies but this is changed to asians due to few African-Americans and Arab-Americans being willing to act for it and the film is heavily revised to keep it in line with The Hays Code.
  • In general, science-fiction is dominant over fantasy within the Comintern with Afrofuturism, Arabmodernism and other artistic movements being dominant in the 80s and 90s, but fantasy starts to experience a surge in the 2000s as a new fantasypunk movement rises to revise and innovate on fantasy settings to make them more leftist-friendly (with a niche genre of Maoist commune Isekais).
  • Avatar is directed and produced by a film collective made up of indigenous peoples from around the world, becoming a triumph of CGI and worldbuilding with a rich story that explores themes of colonialism, environmentalism and modernity.

Heyo-hoya Drinks-With-HRT hands wrote these posts. The Avatar thing has me rolling TBH. Again the link is above if you wanna read its tropes and the forum thread itself is here: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/the-long-march-a-tno-sequel-comintern-quest.117621/

 

[Caligura]

I can't reply to @Ryona420's post for some reason (it's white-d out) but wtf is this shit

Hyperborea already exists in TNO and they just make up one but for Norway? Also why are all the custom made flags in this so ugly.

 

[winderson_silva]

It would be hell on Earth worse than Nazi occupied Eastern Europe

Hell, even Eastern Europe get it easy, unification just magically heals all the problems, despite the 20 years of bombing, despite the canon thing that the industrialization of the USSR wasnt as good as irl, despite the hundreds of warlords who all had different ideologies.

Zukhov isnt magically making people whose neighbors were nazis just forgive them, and even if he purges the leaders, guess what, blood runs deep, people will still hate anyone associated to their rival groups even after their leaders are killed. If, lets say, all the Hutu leaders were killed the moment the genocide ended, would the Tutsis just forgive the masses?

Really, unless Germany is on active civil war, I dont see the reunited russia getting anywhere before being curb stomped, sure Germany got "hit hard" by incompetent leadership decisions, but russia is now a white africa, whose population and technology is weaker, so they dont even got the 3 to 1 advantage that you are expected to have in big offensives.

If Russia to this day still havent recovered fully from ww2, and the economy still got the damage from the soviet collapse, how the fuck the russia on TNO can become a superpower just because a random warlod now control it all?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheLongMarch

• Addled Addict: A nationwide example with the German Reich, whose entire population is made to consume methamphetamine and other addictive substances due to its ubiquitous presence in various foods and items, leading refugees escaping the Reich to experience severe withdrawals as bad as developing psychosis and children developing behavioral problems.

Thought this dudes were pro drugs? Or its bad if its done by the natzes?

• Better to Die than Be Killed: The Boer-Belgian White Democratic Bastion State is crushed by the Comintern, but not before they enact scorched earth policies across several regions and force their children to partake in mass suicide alongside them.

I mean, living with native africans is a fate worse than death, can you blame them?

• Dropped a Bridge on Him: Albert Speer, Führer of the German Reich, is crushed by a giant steel swastika prop as he gives a speech celebrating the completed extermination of Jews in Europe.

To quote that dog from metal gear: I understand the attempt at humor, its just not funny.

• After conquering Haiti, the Dominican Republic renamed Port-au-Prince to Trujilloidad after their dictator.

Trujillo finally employed TND on Haiti? Are you sure this is supposed to be a distopia and not an utopia?

• Faking the Dead: Abba Kovner is said to have been killed and his body set on fire by the Nazis before being thrown into a canyon, becoming a legend as The Burned Jew. However reports of disappearing German patrols continue and the text on the death of the Nazi leadership in a building fire is concluded by a single word associated with Kovner: Nakam (Revenge).

Man I love New Vejas, but it doesnt even fit the vibe of the mod.

• Gendercide: The Romanian Iron Guard regime in 1984, in response to the Bucharest-based socialist uprising and Comintern intervention, mobilizes every "able-bodied adult" male it can find (read: able to carry a hand grenade) to fight off the Reds or die trying in a desperate bid to "save" Romania from Communism. When the dust settles and the Comintern forces prevail, it is revealed that 90 percent of the male population of Romania dies in the bloodbath, which leads the new female-dominated Red Romania to hastily seek measures to address the massive gender imbalance on top of the desolation of much of the country outside the Bucharest region. This includes everything from relatively mundane policies like encouraging male-skewed immigration from other parts of the Comintern and providing conventional Natalist incentives to more radical solutions like adopting revolutionary gender-noncomformative family policies, legalizing polyamory and conducting experiments in communal living and child-raising.

The author's not even disguised fetish

• • Muammar Gaddafi is a fully democratic leader in TLM as the Chairman of the Comintern. He retains his OTL Cloudcuckoolander and Warhawk tendencies in service of humankind.

Gaddafi, a rapist, is treated as le wholesome by the authors because errr, different timeline? Kinda funny how the so called feminists cant help but support a guy who raped his all female guard. You may as well put Idi Amin as a wholesome democract commie.

Your Approval Fills Me with Shame: The German Reich's Honorary Aryan list includes the Palestinians for preventing the existence of Israel, to the disgust of the Palestinians themselves (except for a pro-German community living in Germany).

"See, our hecking palestine friends arent nazis, please ignore how in otl they share the "hitler was right" hashtag on twitter every time Israel does something"

 

[Coberald]

Thought this dudes were pro drugs? Or its bad if its done by the natzes?

Everything is bad if done by the nazis, funnily enough thats also a trope but doesn't appear anywhere on the long march page.

 

[winderson_silva]

• Iranian soldier: By Allah, those are children.

I know its another timeline, but its hilarious that the commies who wrote the rp think "yeah the iranians who sent their own teens to die in droves against iraqui machine guns and eletrified swamps would be in total shock of child soldiers"

• The term "Tankies", instead of designating supporters of the Soviet invasion of Hungary and other authoritarian measures, exists as a nickname for Hungarian tank regiments (formed from refitted old German tanks) earning their renown during the country's socialist revolution and, soon after, other revolutionary campaigns in Europe in 1984.

They arent even trying to hide, holy shit.

 

[Sooty Soot]

Hell, even Eastern Europe get it easy, unification just magically heals all the problems, despite the 20 years of bombing, despite the canon thing that the industrialization of the USSR wasnt as good as irl, despite the hundreds of warlords who all had different ideologies.

Zukhov isnt magically making people whose neighbors were nazis just forgive them, and even if he purges the leaders, guess what, blood runs deep, people will still hate anyone associated to their rival groups even after their leaders are killed. If, lets say, all the Hutu leaders were killed the moment the genocide ended, would the Tutsis just forgive the masses?

Really, unless Germany is on active civil war, I dont see the reunited russia getting anywhere before being curb stomped, sure Germany got "hit hard" by incompetent leadership decisions, but russia is now a white africa, whose population and technology is weaker, so they dont even got the 3 to 1 advantage that you are expected to have in big offensives.

If Russia to this day still havent recovered fully from ww2, and the economy still got the damage from the soviet collapse, how the fuck the russia on TNO can become a superpower just because a random warlod now control it all?

the only russian warlord who can become a superpower is tyumen, kaganovich can literally give wives to soldiers and BTFO the niggerkulaks so hard that russia can be as industrialized as at least china, italy, or all of germany's eastern colonies

 

[winderson_silva]

Even then I think the average russian would be living like the average person from Congo in the 90's on the best case until at least a century after the reunification.

 

[glue eater]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheLongMarch

Just a cursory glance:

• The Iberian Falangists' anti-intellectual campaign going as far as executing people for wearing glasses is reminiscent of the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

I can see in my mind's eyes the cogs turning in the TNOcordtroon's brain "Okay, maybe communism was...le bad in that one singular case in Cambodia...but, what if it was fascists who actually did that?"

 

[Sooty Soot]

Just a cursory glance:

• The Iberian Falangists' anti-intellectual campaign going as far as executing people for wearing glasses is reminiscent of the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

I can see in my mind's eyes the cogs turning in the TNOcordtroon's brain "Okay, maybe communism was...le bad in that one singular case in Cambodia...but, what if it was fascists who actually did that?"

I'm gonna make my own revenge fantasy with that Rhodesia submod, Smith does a mass deportation of the native Africans and it turns the culture of all of his states into White Anglo Rhodesian.

 

[foreman 89]

I'm gonna make my own revenge fantasy with that Rhodesia submod, Smith does a mass deportation of the native Africans and it turns the culture of all of his states into White Anglo Rhodesian.

Would get taken down 100%.

 

[NashSuvorov]

I found a strange TNO rabbit hole that probably is worse than TNO itself. It was found via tvtropes and was a role play on Sufficent Velocity. I feel its worse since a lot of faggots show up there and since its roleplay they dont waste time toozing and get right into it

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheLongMarch

Gendercide: The Romanian Iron Guard regime in 1984, in response to the Bucharest-based socialist uprising and Comintern intervention, mobilizes every "able-bodied adult" male it can find (read: able to carry a hand grenade) to fight off the Reds or die trying in a desperate bid to "save" Romania from Communism. When the dust settles and the Comintern forces prevail, it is revealed that 90 percent of the male population of Romania dies in the bloodbath, which leads the new female-dominated Red Romania to hastily seek measures to address the massive gender imbalance on top of the desolation of much of the country outside the Bucharest region. This includes everything from relatively mundane policies like encouraging male-skewed immigration from other parts of the Comintern and providing conventional Natalist incentives to more radical solutions like adopting revolutionary gender-noncomformative family policies, legalizing polyamory and conducting experiments in communal living and child-raising.

This might be off-topic, but it is really funny to see how Sufficient Velocity will write something as piss-poor as this and rag on other works of alternate history like The Death of Russia.

Like, TLM is genuinely horrible in a way that can only really be expressed well in the words of AVGN or something like that. The entire forum should be written off over this.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheLongMarch

• Ronald Reagan's acting career bombed, and he found himself as a homeless drug addict.
• Superman is an example of the white supremacist übermensch, even becoming an honorary member of the NSDAP after saving Speer from Burgundian terrorists.
• Iron Man never gets popular outside of America, especially after the issue where he “solves” racism by making a machine that turns black people white.
• Spider-Man is cancelled after Marvel Comics awkwardly tried to turn him into a small business owner white moderate kind of hero, which just tanked his popularity and made them scrap him altogether.

What the fuck lmao

 

[winderson_silva]

This might be off-topic, but it is really funny to see how Sufficient Velocity will write something as piss-poor as this and rag on other works of alternate history like The Death of Russia.

Kinda funny one of the stories that is presented as a base, Reds!, is writen by a self declared judeo-spartakist who use "fae" pronoums and wrote a Metroid fic where both Samus and his self insert, who live in a galaxy outside of our supercluster (so like billions of light years from the milk way), are by pure chance both pansexual and ethic jews.

Same guy said that Cod Ghosts is one of the most racist piece of medias he ever seen despite that I doubt Activision has any serious with it, like no one on the writing team think "yeah the south americans should unite and kill all americans" (which you would think these people would aprove? Opressed Latinxs rising up against Amerikkka?)

You cant make this up.