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Since this became de facto hoi4 thread
Holy shit Atomwaffen is hard. Civil war is manageable, but taking on national front seems impossible. I looked for some guides, apparently I did everything wrong. I’ll have to restart from scratch basically. That, or just play other nation/mod/game/be productive
Put four self-propelled artilleries and extra four infantry fighting vehicles in division maker, alternatively you could go for motorized milltas (with at least one self-propelled gun if that is possible) for the cheaper way and choose the Insurgent land doctrine which made militias OP if I recall.
Then bumrush Washington D.C, doesn't matter if they got few soldiers in the West Coast invading your territory.
Rush rush rush Patriot Front and they should capitulate, hope that helped.
 
Ironically enough the NSM is the friendliest National Front member towards minorities but mainly niggos since the AWD is the AWD and Patriot Front is pretty vague in terms of race. If you go Rockwellian you can assume the "white man's burden" and try to educate the nigs and in the econ tree you can create a racially segregated job market with certain jobs aimed at nigs I think, but not sure.
Patriot Front literally has an Arab Muslim volunteer division fighting with them, I think they're either the best or tied with reformist NSM for minorities. Also iirc the Rockwellian NSM creates an autonomous black republic in the south. though I never played that far. (NSM was super boring)
 
Some truth in fiction: Idk if you remember the "Black nazi cabbie", but he was a member of NSM, and there are mutiple photos of him hanging out with NSM.

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Rockwell was down with NOI, so I guess it's nothing new...but yeah. I don't think Malcolm X came to hang out in the Stormtrooper barracks.
 
@Happy Camper Do you still have the archive of discord screenshots? I want to know why the neu-devs are intentionally screwing up Amur's unification timetable.
Of course. First one is old, the second is from just before the 4chan hack took down /vst/.
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They are reworking all superregionals but at the snail pace they're going at Amur will be the only tag doing this if/when it releases. So that means that if you're playing say Novosibirsk you'll be invaded in the middle of your superregional tree and you won't be able to do any unification war prep. As Corn says: the alternative is a year without content while he reworks every single tag in Russia at once.
Not gonna lie I think he just can't be bothered to make another year of content for a tag that's been in rework hell for over two years at this point.
 
Patriot Front literally has an Arab Muslim volunteer division fighting with them, I think they're either the best or tied with reformist NSM for minorities.
Really? When I played as the PF I only got the French, some Russians, and I think that's it. I'll have to look through the files for that.
 
Wacky Funny Code Times

I've made many amusing discoveries while working on TNO, and this one is probably one of the weirder.

So for those unaware, TNO initially ripped a lot of code from KR. You can see this in the ideologies, which are almost entirely copied from TNO, though Panzer actually remembered to rename them and change their icons. Liberal Democracy and Conservative Democracy are referred to as social_liberal and social_conservative in the code. The Market Liberal ideology is an exception, retaining both its name and icon.
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Well... market liberalism was deprecated, and is not used. It doesn't have a description even..

Except I lied, because Market Liberalism was never deleted from the code, the game still uses it in party popularity calculations, so it still shows up!

Oh and Iberia and Italy use it for their content.
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I guess they hadn't gotten around to deleting it at this point? But why did the Triumvirate team never get the memo? Every other tag tries their damnest to not mention it anywhere, but Iberia starts with mar lib popularity! The only tag to do so!

Anyway, because it's still used in content, I decided to touch it up a smidge. I've given market liberalism a description, and renamed it in-game to Classical Liberalism, to distinguish it from other mods and because I believe it's a better name for the ideology.
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I hope you enjoyed my TED talk.
 
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What are your thoughts on this defence of the planned removal of the German Civil War in TNO? - https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1k6rgkh/a_summary_defence_of_the_removal_of_the_german/
It truly is a Reddit moment.
For 1, why not just add more modifiers to it like KR and KX do with the ACW? That'd improve it instantly and as proven by both those mods it's very doable. But no, he looks at the problem and declares that the only solution is a Denmark GUI.

2 is unique because it's both a lie but he defeats his own strawman. GCW isn't destroying the entire country and like he said it's usually over relatively quickly and rebuilding afterwards isn't going to be the end of the world. But it's also a lie because the war causes Germany's sphere to fall apart and sets into motion all the changes in the RKs and allows Russia's story to properly start by ending the terror bombings.

3 is just him explaining why he wants a Denmark GUI instead of a war, might as well hold a no fun allowed sign.

It's amusing that the people in the comments want an old KR/KX style of avoidable civil wars but get shouted down by OP because it's too hard even though other mods do it just fine. Sanest person in the thread is the guy pointing out how pointless this is because it's been in dev hell for 3 years. And if you look in the leak dump I salvaged from 4chan earlier and read the roundtable leak (highly recommended reading) you can see that it won't be out for at least another 3 years:
If push comes to shove, Bormann and Speer could releaseseparate from Kampfzeit but the two fuhrers gotta be releasedtogether (very romantic)
Speer phase 1 is pretty done design-wise, phase 2 needs more work (oil crisis, epilogue, successors, etc)
ALSO, Kampfzeit is still wallowing in conceptual phase, needsmore sculpting out narratively and mechanically
Three years in and these retards are still struggling to figure out the basics for how their GCW replacement should even look let alone implement it while Speer has nothing after 1970 done at all.
 
Well... market liberalism was deprecated, and is not used. It doesn't have a description even..
There's a Market Liberal subideo for Liberal Conservatism that's used by Zlatoust (albeit knowing TNO devs the entire tag'll probably be removed when the next update drops in 2027):
liberal_conservatism_market_liberalism_subtype_desc: " §YMARKET LIBERALISM§!\n\n\n£GFX_ideology_liberal_conservatism_market_liberalism_bar\n\n\n\n\nMarket Liberalism was, at one point and time, the largest strain of political thought in the West. Whether it was the Liberals of Great Britain, the Republicans in America, or the Radical Liberals of France, it dominated the West under its most three most famous policies: free speech, free election, and free trade.\n\nNow, though, Market Liberalism has to contend with alternate ideas from both the right and the left, believing that it has been unwilling to deal with the human cost of its ideas. But its adherents are still many, especially in the Americas. Believing in a government that does not intervene in the economy or in the private space of its citizens, Market Liberalism seeks to create a society that ensures that every man can become successful, with a little hard work and ingenuity.\n\nPractically, this means lowering taxes, eliminating trade barriers, and ensuring an 'equal playing field' for everyone. Sometimes, however, Market Liberals are willing to intervene in the economy for the sake of increasing economic development, such as subsidies and tax credits. Believing in the sanctity of the free market, Market Liberals believe that a 'rising tide can raise all ships', regardless of whether those ships are poor or rich."
Classical Liberalism also exists, this time as a subtype of Liberalism:
liberalism_classical_liberalism_subtype_desc: " §YCLASSICAL LIBERALISM§!\n\n\n£GFX_ideology_liberalism_classical_liberalism_bar\n\n\n\n\nFraming itself as the ideological descendants of the Greek and Roman Republics, Classical Liberalism is a contemporary branch of liberal democratic philosophy which found a surge in popularity in the reemergence of democratic institutions in the 18th Century, the most formative of which being the American Revolution, which prided itself as the vanguard for the reintroduction of liberal thinking in global politics.\n\nCommonly considered orthodoxy by liberal thinkers, Classical Liberalism promulgates a belief in individual egalitarianism, free market economics, and a drive towards societal cohesion through promotion of moderation and reform; it tends to put more of an emphasis on preserving the rights of personal freedom first and foremost, putting it in conflict with the more staunchly economy-centric Market Liberals, combatively traditionalist Status-Quo Conservatives, as well as contemporary Progressivism for promoting expansion of the civil government to combat social inequality at the expense of the free market."
 
Since this became de facto hoi4 thread
Holy shit Atomwaffen is hard. Civil war is manageable, but taking on national front seems impossible. I looked for some guides, apparently I did everything wrong. I’ll have to restart from scratch basically. That, or just play other nation/mod/game/be productive
My only issue with them is that they have too many 35 days focuses while PF and NSM are inundated with 14 and 21 day ones, as well events and decisions that give them almost ten free mechanized and armored divisions. I'm half tempted to learn basic modding to change those stats but I haven't a clue where to begin.
 
@Rapesputin I honestly care so little for neu-TNO design and lore that I had no idea they had these subideologies. If you think have a better name I'd love to hear it.

That being said liberal_conservatism_market_liberalism_subtype_desc and liberalism_classical_liberalism_subtype_desc are criminally bad variable names and they make me MATI.
 
albeit knowing TNO devs the entire tag'll probably be removed when the next update drops in 2027
You joke but there was some comment from Corn about moving Serov to Zlatoust as part of a planned rework but it's moving at a pace so slow that 2027 is pure :optimistic:. And no they aren't planning on making it a dedicated NazBol tag. It's NatCom based on a Brezhnevite faction.
 
You joke but there was some comment from Corn about moving Serov to Zlatoust as part of a planned rework but it's moving at a pace so slow that 2027 is pure :optimistic:. And no they aren't planning on making it a dedicated NazBol tag. It's NatCom based on a Brezhnevite faction.
I wouldn’t mind a natcom warlord, but not at the expense of Serov
Furthermore, moving Serov fucks up Komi content.
Putting on my conspiracy hat but it’s a trojan horse rework to gut komi completely
 
Rockwell was down with NOI, so I guess it's nothing new
Rockwell supported the idea of Blacks being in their own Ethnostate, Other than that, I recall him having quite a few Differing opinions with the NOI, Who were wanting to set up a Black Separatist State in the South, Where as Rockwell preached for the Sending of Blacks back to Africa (Supported this so much in fact, Rockwell's Studio known as Hatenanny Records Published a Song about it). They found common ground here and there but i wouldn't say they were super happy chappy with the NOI.
Patriot Front is pretty vague in terms of race.
Not Really, They're Vague in terms of what they'll exactly do with Non-Whites, But make no mistake. Thomas has gone on record in various Speeches and Statements that they're clearly Ethno-Nationalist, Basically as it's mentioned in the Groups Manifesto, To be American is to be of White European Descent.
 
Rockwell supported the idea of Blacks being in their own Ethnostate, Other than that, I recall him having quite a few Differing opinions with the NOI, Who were wanting to set up a Black Separatist State in the South, Where as Rockwell preached for the Sending of Blacks back to Africa (Supported this so much in fact, Rockwell's Studio known as Hatenanny Records Published a Song about it). They found common ground here and there but i wouldn't say they were super happy chappy with the NOI.

Not Really, They're Vague in terms of what they'll exactly do with Non-Whites, But make no mistake. Thomas has gone on record in various Speeches and Statements that they're clearly Ethno-Nationalist, Basically as it's mentioned in the Groups Manifesto, To be American is to be of White European Descent.
Is there any basis IRL for the PF Jacksonian path? I assume that every group does have their own "moderate" wing.
 
4chan's /vst/ as well as /tno/ and /hoi4/ are back at least for now. If Hiro really did manage to unfuck the site that means things are back to normal and that we can expect more leaks in the future.

If more leaks drop, I'll make sure to cross post them here as they happen to make sure none of the nu-devs injustices go undocumented.
Reminder: The 4chan /tno/ leak dump is here. Keep that in mind if the site goes down again and make sure that their attacks on the player base aren't lost to time.
 
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