Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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I will say that some of their Stonetoss edits are quite funny.

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NIGGO KILLA said:
I really enjoy the mod despite the bullshit behind it. The Russia part of it is fun as fuck, only retards treat alt history as serious fuckin business

on another note

LONG LIVE THE MARSHALL, TO SERVE RUSSIA!
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Treating alt history as serious business is basically how their community ended up like this in the first place.
 
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The HOI4 community generates some absolutely crazy slapfights and content that somehow finds a way to make a mod about the My Little Pony universe not automatically the craziest shit put out there. From what little I know the EaW mod is wall to wall fan fiction but it's also never made someone buy a nazi hoodie or create an 'ideal' ending where post-fascist victory Germany fully recognizes the LGBTQSPEER peoples and that's great. It ends up coming out as equally stupid which is an achievement in itself.
 
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Agarathium1066 said:
The HOI4 community generates some absolutely crazy slapfights and content that somehow finds a way to make a mod about the My Little Pony universe not automatically the craziest shit put out there. From what little I know the EaW mod is wall to wall fan fiction but it's also never made someone buy a nazi hoodie or create an 'ideal' ending where post-fascist victory Germany fully recognizes the LGBTQSPEER peoples and that's great. It ends up coming out as equally stupid which is an achievement in itself.
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I would slightly defend the mod in that the only way Speer actually turns liberal is if the reformists take over and sideline him (he can rule as a regular Nazi as well), but the story still isn't that well written regardless. The fact that the game is full of extremist wish fulfillment makes it a real lolpasture.
 
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Milkis said:
Sad. I play a game with Chinese in it because I am Chinese. Cold War Expanded is the greatest mod for any PDOX game hands down, you cannot change my mind
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What's the nuke system like? Cold War: Iron Curtain for HOI4 is underway and adds new economic and influence systems along with WMDs, but it's clearly unfinished at the moment.

Also the Republic of China definitely did not have 2% literacy in the 1960s.
 
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What's the nuke system like? Cold War: Iron Curtain for HOI4 is underway and adds new economic and influence systems along with WMDs, but it's clearly unfinished at the moment.
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Not bad, I guess, but not great either. You can send nuclear ultimata, launch second strikes, develop the three legs of the nuclear triad, etc., but it's all done through decision. The builtin system has kind of retarded nuke effects (they don't decay and stick around for 20 years). I submitted a patch to model decaying ambient fallout via expiring stacking modifiers (one for 500 rads/hr, 50, 5, etc..., following the 7-10 rule), but the fuckers rejected my suggestions out of hand without reading the reasoning behind them.

One thing I'd also like to work on is modelling discrete levels of nuclear stockpiles (so you have to pay more money for 4k warheads than 200) because then you could get stuff like SALT / START / START II where each side reduces warhead counts and it has an effect on what kind of nuclear exchange you can launch. But fuck those guys if they're going to get any more of my work, it'd be for my personal use only

ED: also you can develop SDI and roll a chance to lower or stop the nuke modifier hitting each province, which I think is cool
 
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Milkis said:
Not bad, I guess, but not great either. You can send nuclear ultimata, launch second strikes, develop the three legs of the nuclear triad, etc., but it's all done through decision. The builtin system has kind of retarded nuke effects (they don't decay and stick around for 20 years). I submitted a patch to model decaying ambient fallout via expiring stacking modifiers (one for 500 rads/hr, 50, 5, etc..., following the 7-10 rule), but the fuckers rejected my suggestions out of hand without reading the reasoning behind them.

One thing I'd also like to work on is modelling discrete levels of nuclear stockpiles (so you have to pay more money for 4k warheads than 200) because then you could get stuff like SALT / START / START II where each side reduces warhead counts and it has an effect on what kind of nuclear exchange you can launch. But fuck those guys if they're going to get any more of my work, it'd be for my personal use only
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Not counting the numbers of warheads is a major flaw. Does the AI use nuclear weapons if attacked?
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
Not counting the numbers of warheads is a major flaw. Does the AI use nuclear weapons if attacked?
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Yes, if nuclear powers start losing badly they'll issue white peace or we nuke you ultimata. If they're winning but get high war exhaustion they'll issue surrender or we nuke you ultimata, but only against other great powers. The USSR also gets random events about fake radar pickups which might be first strikes for lulz. There are also chemical weapon and biological weapon systems, which you can develop and use the same way.

Instead of counting warheads the mod gives you a different attack capability for each leg you have of the nuclear triad (land, sea, air), and each one has a different strike effect. If you only have land missiles you can only hit the target's capital and 2nd biggest city, if you have only submarine missiles you can only hit major cities, if you have all 3, you can hit pretty much every high-pop province.
 
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Milkis said:
Yes, if nuclear powers start losing badly they'll issue white peace or we nuke you ultimata. If they're winning but get high war exhaustion they'll issue surrender or we nuke you ultimata, but only against other great powers. The USSR also gets random events about fake radar pickups which might be first strikes for lulz. There are also chemical weapon and biological weapon systems, which you can develop and use the same way.

Instead of counting warheads the mod gives you a different attack capability for each leg you have of the nuclear triad (land, sea, air), and each one has a different strike effect. If you only have land missiles you can only hit the target's capital and 2nd biggest city, if you have only submarine missiles you can only hit major cities, if you have all 3, you can hit pretty much every high-pop province.
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Realistically speaking it should escalate very quickly if WW3 breaks out. Nuclear weapons would have been used at once, within a few hours.
 
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Realistically speaking it should escalate very quickly if WW3 breaks out. Nuclear weapons would have been used at once, within a few hours.
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Not a full countervalue exchange, not all wars are WW3, and most countries had an explicit no-first-use policy. You can use tactial nukes to get army bonuses without setting off a full exchange.
 
Milkis said:
Not a full countervalue exchange, not all wars are WW3, and most countries had an explicit no-first-use policy. You can use tactial nukes to get army bonuses without setting off a full exchange.
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Massive retaliation was the first American doctrine in the event of a Soviet assault on West Germany, and even in the case of no first use, blowing up the whole front line with tactical nuclear weapons would definitely count. Essentially I don't think there should be armies storming across Europe in a cold war game.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
Massive retaliation was American doctrine in the event of a Soviet assault on West Germany, and even in the case of no first use, blowing up the whole front line with tactical nuclear weapons would definitely count.
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OK, go into the modfiles in your copy and change the decision will_do threshold so warscore is like -1 or -5, then you can be happy
 
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Milkis said:
OK, go into the modfiles in your copy and change the decision will_do threshold so warscore is like -1 or -5, then you can be happy
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Does deterrence work so the wars don't start to begin with? As in, the Soviet AI knows not to invade West Germany because of the extreme consequences of doing so?
 
This video itself is a bit autistic, but goes over some good points.




I was going to post this in the YT comments thread until I noticed this thread.

Look who decided to show up:

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It just goes on and on.

In spite of it running on my computer like sludge, I do enjoy the mod. It works much better when you consider it a dark comedy setting with the way it's written and presented. Heinrich Himmler fabricating a more radical version of National Socialism and converting eastern France and Belgium into a Meganazi North Korea? Hilarious. How could you not find that funny? The aesthetics are nice too. The tryhard dipshits who get mad at you for not taking it seriously are massive faggots.
 
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