Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Crunchy Oats]

I'm starting to think we need a thread for video game mod development related drama. The entire HoI4 mod scene, Hunt the Freeman, Fallout the Frontier, Beyond Skyrim, they all seem to ALWAYS be filled to the brim with trannies and fucking weirdos. Half the projects collapse because of it and the other half are corrupted and the entire experience ruined. It happens like clockwork every half a year or so.

Subnautica's gargantuan leviathan mod team is going through some drama, too

 

[General_Butt_Naked]

The real irony is the few Russians who get asked about fictional warlord they would like to unify Russia typically answer with the more authoritarian factions because they might actually be able to stand up to further German encroachment rather then the LibSoc factions; They then proceed to get purged from the TNO discord in 2 milliseconds for racism/fascism/transphobia/etc.

What really seems to piss of the Devs is that they love Yazov, whose entire goal is wiring the Russian state solely for causing WW3 and surviving it in bunkers, loving the entire revenge story while devs get angry because, "it is supposed to show that vengeance is bad you can not like it, god I hate all russians!"

Exactly, like how would fucking Sablin or the Black Army stand up to German invasion??? Apparently the "canon" unifier for Russia is Zhukov which is probably the most realistic considering they already had military infrastructure built up. The thing that sucks about HOI4 is that every faction has a chance of winning no matter how insignificant.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

glad im not the only one whos noticed this, why is almost every single mod or fan project for a video game always flooded with trannie bullshit?

Actual answer? Because people are usually too polite to confront them when they come into a mod, no one wants to be the guy stirring up drama after all, and by the time people do start becoming aggravated with them they have quietly have gotten enough influence to start banning those people. This means that only mods that are composed of people who tell them to fuck off from the get go don't let that happen.

What this means for the entire community is that most modding teams are flooded with troons, and the few exceptions are legitimately far right.

 

[Rekkington]

Tranny leftists obsessing over role playing as awesome powerful Nazis should elicit more of a reaction from me, but I think it's just a corpse world now.

 

[Gindisi]

I'm suprised the hoi 4 community is ok with a mod made by a bunch of transgenders.
I probably shouldn't though.

90% of HOI4 modders are leftists and/or trannies. No exaggeration.

 

[HumanHive]

Exactly, like how would fucking Sablin or the Black Army stand up to German invasion??? Apparently the "canon" unifier for Russia is Zhukov which is probably the most realistic considering they already had military infrastructure built up. The thing that sucks about HOI4 is that every faction has a chance of winning no matter how insignificant.

The problem I have with Zhukov being the canon winner is that it's really boring to have the Soviet Union be defeated by the Nazis, go through a huge warlord brawl where it's anybody's game, and then emerge from that as bog standard USSR.
To put it another way, let's look at the Sengoku Jidai era of Japan. Lot's of canidates for Shogun, but what if the "canon" winner is just the Ashikaga? You're like "okay, that Oda guy was way cooler, what gives? Why have a huge conflict only to end up exactly where you started?"

I'd be fine with Zhukov winning if his unification state was called anything other than the USSR. It can be commie, but it needs to go through immediately identifiable changes. Character development, if you will. But tankies gonna tank. They shill the USSR so hard they don't even realize that it's a bastard creation of Stalin and Lenin, and more or less betrayed the revolution by going "Oh yeah, the capitalist west... can't take them on yet, so let's be in a transitory statist period for... ever. Because the collapse of the West is inevitable, right comrades? :^)"

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

are Road to 56 and Kaiserreich affected by troon retardation?

 

[Gindisi]

are Road to 56 and Kaiserreich affected by troon retardation?

Kaiserreich is, I dunno anything about RT56

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Kaiserreich is, I dunno anything about RT56

That is sad to hear, that mod had a great history going back 15+ years to the first HOI game.

Still want to know what happened to the right wing fanbase these games used to have.

 

[OmmiTheOmnar]

The problem I have with Zhukov being the canon winner is that it's really boring to have the Soviet Union be defeated by the Nazis, go through a huge warlord brawl where it's anybody's game, and then emerge from that as bog standard USSR.
To put it another way, let's look at the Sengoku Jidai era of Japan. Lot's of canidates for Shogun, but what if the "canon" winner is just the Ashikaga? You're like "okay, that Oda guy was way cooler, what gives? Why have a huge conflict only to end up exactly where you started?"

I'd be fine with Zhukov winning if his unification state was called anything other than the USSR. It can be commie, but it needs to go through immediately identifiable changes. Character development, if you will. But tankies gonna tank. They shill the USSR so hard they don't even realize that it's a bastard creation of Stalin and Lenin, and more or less betrayed the revolution by going "Oh yeah, the capitalist west... can't take them on yet, so let's be in a transitory statist period for... ever. Because the collapse of the West is inevitable, right comrades? :^)"

^^^^ This.
a crapton of warlords with intresting focuses and stories, who wins? Pretty much boring unintresting Ussr, le zukov take moscow kek "and so dusk approaches the new order"

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Kaiserreich had a similar uninteresting Russian 'warlord' storyline - but usually when I was ignoring Russia, the regular Soviet Union ended up forming by the AI. C'mon troon authors, get creative. Austria-Hungary was also strange in that mod - for some reason, A-H went liberal-democratic. But that goes back to the earlier Kaiserreich mod, so I can't blame troons for that.

 

[OmmiTheOmnar]

That is sad to hear, that mod had a great history going back 15+ years to the first HOI game.

Still want to know what happened to the right wing fanbase these games used to have.

not an expert, but if i had to guess? the same thing that mostly happens to other right wing fanbases that games have, they get overun and banned by the trannies that join and that are somehow always devs

 

[Shaka Brah]

What this means for the entire community is that most modding teams are flooded with troons, and the few exceptions are legitimately far right.

The saddest words of tongue and pen are these: /pol/ was right again.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

not an expert, but if i had to guess? the same thing that mostly happens to other right wing fanbases that games have, they get overun and banned by the trannies that join and that are somehow always devs

Someone said (I think maybe elsewhere on KF) that paradox themselves started to zap right wing members from the forums as well as in the mods. But I don't know the backstory, it's something I noticed in passing.

I should add that the old fanbase wasn't just a bunch of /pol/tards, they really seemed to know their stuff.

 

[Kanuckski]

Thanks a ton! what I dont get now is what the TNO devs did that was so bad that it made people make a redux version to fix.

Also can anyone in the discord post some funny bans if you have any to share? thanks.

From what I see it's largely a Eastern European community upset with the portrayal of their countries politics or even leaders as inaccurate, especially Russians. Since Sablin in our timeline was a terrorist fuckhead and not the wholesome guy who will revive Leninism and whole communism. The massive amounts of radical lefties on the main dev team, and a desire to do it themselves with the ease of HOI 4 modding.

glad im not the only one whos noticed this, why is almost every single mod or fan project for a video game always flooded with trannie bullshit?

That is sad to hear, that mod had a great history going back 15+ years to the first HOI game.

Still want to know what happened to the right wing fanbase these games used to have.

I said this much much earlier in the thread. But, modern modding scenes are sustained by young collage students, perfect mix of just enough time, passion, and skill to pull these ambitious projects off. As well as something to put on their resume. A lot of these mods now need increasingly large teams as the scale of the games themselves increase and they want to take on ambitious overhauls. Because of the western political situation which is where a significant chunk of modders come from, it leads to massive highly politicized teams with their own desires. The increasing normalization of radical politics in the terminally online leads to this shit and it's only pushed forward by the fact they're choosing to put themselves in a situation where connecting with the real world is optional. You see this a lot in artists. The formula is highly politicized, self sufficient or taken care of and connecting with reality being optional.

 

[General_Butt_Naked]

That is sad to hear, that mod had a great history going back 15+ years to the first HOI game.

Still want to know what happened to the right wing fanbase these games used to have.

Honestly it shouldn't matter for the political bend of a community. All that matters is if there is quality shit getting put out. Right now TNO may stick out like a sore thumb but there is quite a few good hoi4 mods.

 

[local asuka]

Apparently the "canon" being boring is so that they have a relative blank slate to work off for the 1972 bookmark, but that's just hearsay. They also went out of their way to pick the Zhukov path which changes the least, one of his paths is implied to lead to a democracy of sorts after the front is dissolved and most of his paths are at least fairly different but they specifically choose the path that's just USSR 2.0. I don't really mind the canon being "boring" since it only matters for the '72 start date (which will never happen, the mod team explodes every 6 months), but it's a shame to see them throw away a lot of potentially interesting scenarios.

if you're actually going to play the mod: Put debug_smooth into the console at the start of the game, it really helps to speed it up, especially on slower machines. Turkey, Ostland and maybe Canada are the only countries that appear to have much functional content from the leaks, and there's also the retarded SS larp state that exists... for some reason. It's pretty funny that the mod takes its self seriously and has shit like this and the B.E.E.F.

 

[Randall Fragg]

Shame that it spiraled into such an autistic clusterfuck. I really liked TNO, mainly because of all the stupid cursed shit in it.
At least it's going down in such an open, hilarious way.
Never let troons onto your projects.
NEVER.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Honestly it shouldn't matter for the political bend of a community. All that matters is if there is quality shit getting put out. Right now TNO may stick out like a sore thumb but there is quite a few good hoi4 mods.

Yes, I agree, if they are able to put out good product I wouldn't care. But they fall into the trap of what they WANT the world to be like, rather than it was/was likely to be. And because they are already coming from an insane worldview of troon tankies, it leads them to distort reality to a crazy degree. Casper Weinberger and Margaret Chase Smith as semi-fascist? To me they were garden variety moderate Republicans. Surprised they didn't manage a way to shoehorn Fred Trump as a villain in that too.

 

[Zaryiu2]

The earlier pages have a quite a few examples in greater detail. The big ones that come to mind are America having the option to create an African superstate after fighting a defensive war of liberation on the side of South Africa after the German colonies are defeated. Also they can napalm their own superstate because it HAS to be a political commentary about the Vietnam war and Kirkpatrick doctrine. The superstate is depicted as being just as bad as the former German colonies, that again, the Americans can napalm for some reason and it's a weird dictatorship. Meetings to unify this state also break down because of a walk-out of African leaders because a security guard accidentally tells the bathroom is for whites only. Not only that, at home the war faces exceedingly little support from the populace and they're depicted as actively against it. The German Civil War at the start of the game is triggered by Hitler's death because he was yet to pick a successor after 20 years and the SS were forming a state in a state because of radicalization and degradation of other competent organizations in the country. If Reinhard Heydrich wins the Civil war he realizes that Germany is actually bad, destroys Burgundy (Himmler's fiefdom from where he wants to nuke the world) and then kills himself.

The actual prose is generally very high quality for a mod, you have to understand it's the actual written content that's poor. Because it's meant to be a political commentary. It starts off alright because it's political commentary about why fascism is bad. So if you're a normal person it doesn't cross your mind since you don't need to be beaten over the head with that. But it's getting increasingly worse because new content expanding the timeline will explicitly focus on criticizing America's behaviour during the Cold War. And as we've seen prior, their political commentary is appropriating real life events to comment on that same event, but completely robbed of its proper context. Most of the American writing that's political criticism also doesn't make sense in the timeline because it criticizes things that wouldn't actually happen in their timeline. Like vastly empowered central intelligence networks and American exceptionalism. It's also been criticized for those outside the western world, or even just outside America for not properly portraying countries and characters.

...What the fuck?