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[Car Won't Crank]

Maybe that because Forza Horizon is technically a "racing festival," Toyota gave the green light. On that note, why are Supras so popular in Horizon?


Unpopular opinion, Most Wanted is incredibly overrated.

The Supra Mk4 is one of the peak nostalgia cars for people who were born in the 90s and late 80s. Its popularity goes deeper than just being popular in a game.

 

[The Last Stand]

The Supra Mk4 is one of the peak nostalgia cars for people who were born in the 90s and late 80s. Its popularity goes deeper than just being popular in a game.

Could you elaborate for me, please?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Could you elaborate for me, please?

A lot of the Supra fanaticism for grown people now comes from its legendary status as a crazy tuner car. Back in the 90s and 2000s people were tuning the 2jzgte to 1000hp and beating exotic supercars at its time. Doing that in a comparatively cheaper Japanese car was like an underdog story that captured a young audience back then. There were also many inserts of the Supra in media like Best Motoring, Initial D, Gran Turismo, various arcade games, and perhaps biggest of for the western region is the first Fast and Furious movie. It also comes from the end of Japan's bubble economy sports cars where the companies were doing crazy and cool stuff with their cars that we don't see anymore. I'm sure there are more factors but these are the gist of why the Supra has a cult following.

 

[The Man With No Name]

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I guess nobody is surprised that nfs is nothing but a consoomer franchise

The irony being most of the other billboards in game are from the state's extremely oppressive police force.

Game also forcefeeds wokeshit "rivals" to you which comes off as ironic too since they're racing expensive custom cars that they absolutely didn't earn themselves.

I was describing this to my wife today, because the reality is that "real" street racers are all white and Latino dudes with a very small handful of Asian and black guys. There's a lot of black folks at takeovers but the racing and modding is done by the same white and Hispanic guys that have been doing it for decades.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

The irony being most of the other billboards in game are from the state's extremely oppressive police force.

Game also forcefeeds wokeshit "rivals" to you which comes off as ironic too since they're racing expensive custom cars that they absolutely didn't earn themselves.

I was describing this to my wife today, because the reality is that "real" street racers are all white and Latino dudes with a very small handful of Asian and black guys. There's a lot of black folks at takeovers but the racing and modding is done by the same white and Hispanic guys that have been doing it for decades.

You know you're at a majority black car event when you see Mopar and base model Chargers and Challengers. They love them for some reason and do all sorts of tacky modifications.

 

[Thiletonomics]

More details about the new Forza Motorsport game are out, and it's not much. The release date also has been changed from Spring 2023, to just 2023.

Let's hope that this delay is to make the game more polished, and not due to development trouble. FM7 fell victim to the latter, and the game felt rushed on launch.

 

[Lerias]

More details about the new Forza Motorsport game are out, and it's not much. The release date also has been changed from Spring 2023, to just 2023.

Let's hope that this delay is to make the game more polished, and not due to development trouble.

The same Saleen S7 model from FM2 will be reused it looks like. The group that makes these car models can clearly rescan those (as seen in The Crew 2's Saleen) but they decide not to. This is unfortunately the case with many other Forza cars as usual.

What are kiwis' opinions on the recent Williams Esports track limits scandal by the way?

 

[TVB]

More details about the new Forza Motorsport game are out, and it's not much. The release date also has been changed from Spring 2023, to just 2023.

Let's hope that this delay is to make the game more polished, and not due to development trouble. FM7 fell victim to the latter, and the game felt rushed on launch.

The same Saleen S7 model from FM2 will be reused it looks like. The group that makes these car models can clearly rescan those (as seen in The Crew 2's Saleen) but they decide not to. This is unfortunately the case with many other Forza cars as usual.
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What are kiwis' opinions on the recent Williams Esports track limits scandal by the way?

Hey, at least they're keeping the earth clean by recycling.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

A lot of the Supra fanaticism for grown people now comes from its legendary status as a crazy tuner car. Back in the 90s and 2000s people were tuning the 2jzgte to 1000hp and beating exotic supercars at its time. Doing that in a comparatively cheaper Japanese car was like an underdog story that captured a young audience back then. There were also many inserts of the Supra in media like Best Motoring, Initial D, Gran Turismo, various arcade games, and perhaps biggest of for the western region is the first Fast and Furious movie. It also comes from the end of Japan's bubble economy sports cars where the companies were doing crazy and cool stuff with their cars that we don't see anymore. I'm sure there are more factors but these are the gist of why the Supra has a cult following.

Almost all Japanese car hype is nothing but marketing lol. I fucking hate reading JDM fan-fag shit like this.

American and European cars were doing more, with more power, for less cost, more reliably that entire time. Japan just won the propaganda game

When Smokey's double 2JZ, 12cyl aero bodied weight stripped A80 Supra was doing 218 mph on 1000hp, Callaway's Chevy 350 powered C4 was doing 256mph while still having its full interior, ac, radio, etc and getting driven to the track and back like it was no big deal. People love to blabber on and on about the how the R32 was "godzilla" for being so successful in racing when it's only accomplishments were beating Hondas in its home country, and beating shitty aussie cars. The other successes of thr mustang and camaro, corvette, various porsche models, BMWs etc are often overlooked in favor of this car. Subaru and Mitsu get put on a pedestal as rally kings when their rally success was limited to one or 2 championships, vs companies like Renault or Peugeot or Lancia with DOZENS of them. Ford and Chevrolet and AMC-Jeep obliterating Baja for years? Nope, Toyota's 2 wins make it the best baja truck ever.

How about the 787B, a complete failure of a group C car that only won LeMans due to a series of insanely lucky coincidences - the car itself had been deemed completely uncompetitive by both Mazda and it's competitors.

Every SINGLE Japanese performance car of that era had a massive Achilles heel, or several. Skylines were unreliable, had weak engines, major driveline issues, and would run themselves out of oil in stock form if you drove them at speed for extended periods of time. Supra suffered from mainly electrical issues. CTRS needed major, intrusive maintenance every ~40k miles or so or the engines would grenade. The Zs of the time were considered to have maintenance "on par with that of a ferrari" as one magazine put it and nowadays are considered MORE expensive to own than a ferrari of the same era. Evos and Subarus suffered from the same issues their most recent models still do, engine and driveline issues. Subarus notably with head gasket issues and glass transmissions. S Chassis cars were built to the lowest possible quality and fell apart within a few years of purchase. All of these, especially the Nissans, suffered from outdated and often dangerous safety defects, and many were excessively overweight vs other countries cars of the time.

I hate to rant but the "SuPrA iS SpEcIAL" bullshit really pisses me off, because not only is it (and these other cars hype) the result of massive marketing campaigns via movies, games TV and toys, but it has lead to an INCREDIBLY one sided car culture amongst millenials, who simp for these cars and nothing else. Car culture is completely overrun with this shit, to the point of it being Normie-fied. All because these manufacturers decided to promote these cars as some sort of God tier machines, and they did so with incredible success.

Because of this we now have a car culture where a 3x 24Hr Lemans winner, record setting track car in stock form and exceptionally reliable daily and modification platform is worth ~10% of what an excessively unreliable car is, one that never succeeded in Motorsports, and never actually touched the Nurb besides a heavily modified version (and the driver says they cheated the time event then). It's shit like this that's absolutely ruining car culture, because if you ask 100 gen Z "car guys" which car they pick 99% will pick the R34.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I'm interested in trying new stuff. I've come to find that the strategy games I was really looking forward to don't really interest me anymore, they're a pain in the ass to deal with. Action games and variety are what I like now. What's the best racing game to play for an actual plot/campaign? I've consider The Crew, but I feel like its cartoony mini-US would just piss me off because of what it leaves out.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I'm interested in trying new stuff. I've come to find that the strategy games I was really looking forward to don't really interest me anymore, they're a pain in the ass to deal with. Action games and variety are what I like now. What's the best racing game to play for an actual plot/campaign? I've consider The Crew, but I feel like its cartoony mini-US would just piss me off because of what it leaves out.

most wanted (the 2005 one not the 2012 one)

 

[TVB]

most wanted (the 2005 one not the 2012 one)

For me, it's Underground 2. But yes, OG Most Wanted is also a certified hood classic.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Almost all Japanese car hype is nothing but marketing lol. I fucking hate reading JDM fan-fag shit like this.

American and European cars were doing more, with more power, for less cost, more reliably that entire time. Japan just won the propaganda game

When Smokey's double 2JZ, 12cyl aero bodied weight stripped A80 Supra was doing 218 mph on 1000hp, Callaway's Chevy 350 powered C4 was doing 256mph while still having its full interior, ac, radio, etc and getting driven to the track and back like it was no big deal. People love to blabber on and on about the how the R32 was "godzilla" for being so successful in racing when it's only accomplishments were beating Hondas in its home country, and beating shitty aussie cars. The other successes of thr mustang and camaro, corvette, various porsche models, BMWs etc are often overlooked in favor of this car. Subaru and Mitsu get put on a pedestal as rally kings when their rally success was limited to one or 2 championships, vs companies like Renault or Peugeot or Lancia with DOZENS of them. Ford and Chevrolet and AMC-Jeep obliterating Baja for years? Nope, Toyota's 2 wins make it the best baja truck ever.

How about the 787B, a complete failure of a group C car that only won LeMans due to a series of insanely lucky coincidences - the car itself had been deemed completely uncompetitive by both Mazda and it's competitors.

Every SINGLE Japanese performance car of that era had a massive Achilles heel, or several. Skylines were unreliable, had weak engines, major driveline issues, and would run themselves out of oil in stock form if you drove them at speed for extended periods of time. Supra suffered from mainly electrical issues. CTRS needed major, intrusive maintenance every ~40k miles or so or the engines would grenade. The Zs of the time were considered to have maintenance "on par with that of a ferrari" as one magazine put it and nowadays are considered MORE expensive to own than a ferrari of the same era. Evos and Subarus suffered from the same issues their most recent models still do, engine and driveline issues. Subarus notably with head gasket issues and glass transmissions. S Chassis cars were built to the lowest possible quality and fell apart within a few years of purchase. All of these, especially the Nissans, suffered from outdated and often dangerous safety defects, and many were excessively overweight vs other countries cars of the time.

I hate to rant but the "SuPrA iS SpEcIAL" bullshit really pisses me off, because not only is it (and these other cars hype) the result of massive marketing campaigns via movies, games TV and toys, but it has lead to an INCREDIBLY one sided car culture amongst millenials, who simp for these cars and nothing else. Car culture is completely overrun with this shit, to the point of it being Normie-fied. All because these manufacturers decided to promote these cars as some sort of God tier machines, and they did so with incredible success.

Because of this we now have a car culture where a 3x 24Hr Lemans winner, record setting track car in stock form and exceptionally reliable daily and modification platform is worth ~10% of what an excessively unreliable car is, one that never succeeded in Motorsports, and never actually touched the Nurb besides a heavily modified version (and the driver says they cheated the time event then). It's shit like this that's absolutely ruining car culture, because if you ask 100 gen Z "car guys" which car they pick 99% will pick the R34.

I don't disagree with your rant of Japanese cars being overrated. I only gave a reason to why they're seen as special among many people. I share that opinion too and metaphorically roll my eyes whenever people place those cars on some sort of pedestal. What really grinds my gears are those Toyota fanatics who believe Toyota and only Toyota is super uber duper reliable and nothing can go wrong when in fact many of their engines have certain glaring issues, like there is with any engine from any manufacturer.

On the flip side that fanatacism keeps prices of Euro performance relatively lower and more accessible, except Porsche. For old Mk4 Supra money you can get a German masterpiece from the likes of the E90 M3 or even 335is.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

I don't disagree with your rant of Japanese cars being overrated. I only gave a reason to why they're seen as special among many people. I share that opinion too and metaphorically roll my eyes whenever people place those cars on some sort of pedestal. What really grinds my gears are those Toyota fanatics who believe Toyota and only Toyota is super uber duper reliable and nothing can go wrong when in fact many of their engines have certain glaring issues, like there is with any engine from any manufacturer.

On the flip side that fanatacism keeps prices of Euro performance relatively lower and more accessible, except Porsche. For old Mk4 Supra money you can get a German masterpiece from the likes of the E90 M3 or even 335is.

Recently started diving into German stuff, E46 for $2600 lol. A similar S Chassis is like $7k and ratty as fuck.

I am aware of what's you're saying for reasons of why people put it on a pedestal, I'm just sick of hearing it lol.

The racing games are still drilling it home. GT7 is nothing but praise for Japanese cars. Oh boy, the Legendary Castrol Rally Celica! The one that never won a race and got busted cheating! So legendary. Lol

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

I'm interested in trying new stuff. I've come to find that the strategy games I was really looking forward to don't really interest me anymore, they're a pain in the ass to deal with. Action games and variety are what I like now. What's the best racing game to play for an actual plot/campaign? I've consider The Crew, but I feel like its cartoony mini-US would just piss me off because of what it leaves out.

The crew is dated and janky, The Crew 2 uses the same map, has its charms but also jank. It's my go-to relaxing game. The Crew: Motorfest just got announced. Set in Hawaii.

FH5 is probably the best racing title out there atm. I had my reservations about it but I've gotten into it and it's really amazing. Has its flaws, it's issues etc but always makes up for it

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Recently started diving into German stuff, E46 for $2600 lol. A similar S Chassis is like $7k and ratty as fuck.

I am aware of what's you're saying for reasons of why people put it on a pedestal, I'm just sick of hearing it lol.

The racing games are still drilling it home. GT7 is nothing but praise for Japanese cars. Oh boy, the Legendary Castrol Rally Celica! The one that never won a race and got busted cheating! So legendary. Lol

If you're in the market, the time is now to get a cheap E46 while they're cheap. I used to think Miatas were the cheap ticket into autox but old bimmers are the actual way to go. What I like to make fun of is the gorillian versions of the same few Nissans in GT4 and GT5.

 

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Almost all Japanese car hype is nothing but marketing lol. I fucking hate reading JDM fan-fag shit like this.

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tbh the only Jap cars I hold in high regard are the old NSX, the R35 GTR, and the Lexus LFA
driving only German cars irl though

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

Auto X is actually what I bought my E46 for lol

 

[TVB]

tbh the only Jap cars I hold in high regard are the old NSX, the R35 GTR, and the Lexus LFA
driving only German cars irl though

But what about AE86?

 

[The Grognard]

But what about AE86?

It's a pretty good rally car, even if it's heavily inflated in price thanks to being the protagonist of THE car anime. I'd say the Toyota Starlet's superior to it because it's still a very simple RWD car but on a shorter wheelbase and thus it has a higher potential in special stage pace.

Subaru and Mitsu get put on a pedestal as rally kings when their rally success was limited to one or 2 championships, vs companies like Renault or Peugeot or Lancia with DOZENS of them.

The thing that made the WRX and Lancer Evolution household names is that all these French companies that won a lot of titles never really made AWD street cars out of them and they are still very good in Group N. They both did win their own multiple titles when the level of competition for it was at it's toughest from early 90's to 2007ish. The Lancia Delta Integrale did this rally car with plates thing but it stopped being made in the mid-90's with the WRX and Lancer Evolution being the obvious replacement without all the typical Lancia problems. The other thing you're not noting is that all these Japanese companies focused on winning the Safari over winning the championship during the 1970's to the early 90's because they saw the value of winning it via reliability as a more cost-effective strategy than entering the Group B arms race of bigger turbos and bolder aero.