Raider

[Sargon's wife's son]

You know everyone talks about surviving things going down but let's talk about being a based waiter taking what you want from the week.

Good places to hit equipment rental people don't realize this but some of the hardest things to produce would be equipment if you can steal all of the heavy equipment and keep it on your compound you can barter.

Gun stores of course you're always gonna need more weapons for your raiding parties

surprisingly places that sell winnebagos

hardware stores wiring is in heavy neither is power tools and they will always be in demand

auto parts stores it's actually really hard to produce batteries and other such things

solo supply stores you can keep a lot of solar panels on your warlord compound even extras

places to avoid jewelry stores no one wants jewelry in the apocalypse

any store that sells nonsense such as Spencer's

memorabilia stores would be fun to raid simply due to the fact that those will always be valuable antiques would still be appreciated when society is being rebuilt

liquor stores and stores that sell tobacco as well as drug supply warehouses.

If you can afford it by the Toyota Hilux you can find ways to armour your own trucks

you can also buy army surplus tanks just keep in mind guys you gotta disable the turret wink wink
half ton trucks also are good option

how do you form your rating group with the best way of doing it is forming some sort of ideological or religious reason to do what you do I would suggest creating a cult like atmosphere or you could go more military style of trying to rebuild society in junk.

To start off you're gonna need maybe 7 to 8 people preferably on married no children
you can have maybe five to six teenagers
you can also use small children as scouts because no one finds them threatening probably three to five of those you can pick them up at your local orphanage

also you're gonna have to pick a style for your waiting group do you go for military tactical gear what do you mix it up with techno barbarian.
Or you can go full general **** naked
you can also go modern crusader armor but that's gonna be a bit restricting
there's also full heavy metal style skulls on everything death heads
there's also the pirate aesthetic the options are endless
you could go for a retro futuristic Raider gang

besides waiting you're gonna need to figure out something to do to make money you can either start making drugs
slavery prostitution actually producing firearms and other such goods extortion attempting to form a government but that's boring

moon shining weapons manufacturing mercenary work

 

[Grim_Autismo]

I really enjoy how your phone kept correcting it to "waiting group", like you're just peacefully waiting your turn to lay waste to villages and Ace Hardware stores.

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

how do you make such bullshit posts all the time

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

I somehow suspect that the sort of personality who gets a kick out of posting like this isn't the same sort of personality capable of being a successful raider/looter. Not that there can ever much be a successful raider, it's sort of like being a successful tapeworm... they inevitably end up growing so big they kill their hosts. And I'm not content to let them die slowly after decades of murdering whatever's left of civilization.

The land around here is flat for miles. There are only a few, scraggly trees. The rural/county roads, such as they are, are paved in dust, caliche, and this indescribable grit that smells/tastes like roadkill's ass. I can put a $1000 camera up on a 100ft toward with a $800 panoramic lens, and we'll see you coming. Once you drive by the warning signs a couple miles away, we'll just start taking potshots. For fun. Survivors will be welded into cages and hung from whatever lampposts we can find at the nearest highway, to die slowly.

If you spent half the effort learning self-sufficiency that you put into daydreaming about murdering people and raping their women, there wouldn't even be a collapse.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I somehow suspect that the sort of personality who gets a kick out of posting like this isn't the same sort of personality capable of being a successful raider/looter. Not that there can ever much be a successful raider, it's sort of like being a successful tapeworm... they inevitably end up growing so big they kill their hosts. And I'm not content to let them die slowly after decades of murdering whatever's left of civilization.

The land around here is flat for miles. There are only a few, scraggly trees. The rural/county roads, such as they are, are paved in dust, caliche, and this indescribable grit that smells/tastes like roadkill's ass. I can put a $1000 camera up on a 100ft toward with a $800 panoramic lens, and we'll see you coming. Once you drive by the warning signs a couple miles away, we'll just start taking potshots. For fun. Survivors will be welded into cages and hung from whatever lampposts we can find at the nearest highway, to die slowly.

If you spent half the effort learning self-sufficiency that you put into daydreaming about murdering people and raping their women, there wouldn't even be a collapse.

Cool I don't live anywhere near flat arid desert land where I live it's 95% wooded forest good luck patrolling all of that half of the highways intersect with major mountain passes.
Also I am fully capable of doing bushcraft as well as building easily accessible road blocks it's actually really not hard to stop most vehicle traffic do you have a hammer drill some easily available masonry concrete glue.
And some cheap rebar and the grinder.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

He's apparently also too autistic to use proper punctuation.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

as well as building easily accessible road blocks

It seems doubtful that you are capable of building lego sets that have more than 100 pieces, let alone road blocks. I wonder how much plastique the drone should have that punches your ticket. There haven't been many analyses of the Ukrainian thing that give details like that.

Those who would do as you fantasize about aren't even really human. Killing you would be an act of pest control, not murder. Have you ever considered that authority isn't protecting me from those like you, but instead protecting the vermin from the likes of me? You should carefully reevaluate your life and adjust your personality before anyone within rifle range figures out who you really are.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Basement fantasies of becoming a feral nigger.

Okeydokey.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

It seems doubtful that you are capable of building lego sets that have more than 100 pieces, let alone road blocks. I wonder how much plastique the drone should have that punches your ticket. There haven't been many analyses of the Ukrainian thing that give details like that.

You could use the really expensive stuff which is a mixture of two different chemicals and you need a special caulk gun to apply but it's really unnecessary all you need to do is drill maybe 5 to 6 inches into asphalt sharpen up some rebar
and that will stop most vehicles
lashing
good bit of logs and most people will stop

Those who would do as you fantasize about aren't even really human. Killing you would be an act of pest control, not murder. Have you ever considered that authority isn't protecting me from those like you, but instead protecting the vermin from the likes of me? You should carefully reevaluate your life and adjust your personality before anyone within rifle range figures out who you really are.

I'm sure you're libertarian power fantasies I'm going to be enjoying all of my warlord spoils and my merry band of Raiders

Basement fantasies of becoming a feral nigger.

Okeydokey.

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Not being a techno barbarian not having a gang of warlord buddies

not creating a right wing white militia to reinstate Jim Crow and slavery not modeling yourself after the Chinese warlords which is what everything is going to devolve into.

Hide all you want in your compound I'm going to be rebuilding the Mongolian empire for some reason like the greatest man who ever lived Roman von Ungern-Sternberg

 

[YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG]

So, in this hypothetical situation where the world goes to shit, a tough place to live let alone survive, your ambition is to take from those who work and struggle to survive, and live fat like a vulture feasting on carrion? Maybe more so like a rat, since apparently you wouldn't even wait until people died to move onto.
In this hypothetical situation, where the world truly goes to shit, let me tell you what would actually happen. You decide to raid, you get a bear trap on your leg, a punji pike in the spleen, a pendulum mace to the face, among other things. If you're alive, you are then put into a cage, along with your other living members, and you get to watch one by one as your dead members are cut to pieces for meat stuffs, disemboweled, and skinned for resources. Then, one by one, you will watch as your still living ones are done likewise, alive. First the skinning, then the removal of the limbs, and when the screaming gets annoying, disembowelment followed by burning; this will continue until it is your turn. The only thing left unused will be your heads, which will be placed on pikes outside of the fortifications, as a warning sign to other raiders. The message? "Fuck around and we'll eat you alive."

Why become food when you can work your fair share in the community and share in the harvest that is made with the soil's toil?

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Why become food when you can work your fair share in the community and share in the harvest that is made with the soil's toil?

Have you never met a nigger?

 

[YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG]

Have you never met a nigger?

Plenty, but that's beside the point.
Also, it's a cute idea that you think that sort of mindset remains relevant in this hypothetical situation.
We are talking about survival, kill or be killed, and hunt mode. The idea that the individual means lesser or greater than the collective is pretty much one of the first things to go. Sure, there will be plenty of individuals who believe in the "It's SHTF, kill or be killed" and try to be assholes about it. They will be beaten without mercy, torn asunder, and then consumed. Now if a group of selfish individuals decide to go full retard and make a little barbarian clan of raiders, then they will be hunted mercilessly, not allowed sleep, and denied existential rights until they are extinct, disband, or brought to heel.
You know, shit hits the fan sort of community politics between clans that have opposing viewpoints
.
When it comes to the raider, you do not allow peace; you do not allow them the option to believe it is a viable option of sustainable living. When it comes to the raider, you make it so that they choose to be one, that they choose an extremely painful death due to sheer stupidity; of which, the latter in a shit hits the fan world is punishable by death in general.

It's so simple, that even a dog can understand it. "Carrot, or stick?"

 

[Sperg_rancher]

Also, it's a cute idea that you

Bro I aint reading all that. it's a fanfiction. get over it.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

This thread really embodies all the things I most hope this subforum doesn't become.

 

[No. 7 cat]

places to avoid jewelry stores no one wants jewelry in the apocalypse

Jewellery is perhaps one of the safest investments. In so many periods when society collapsed, a store of value all agreed on was needed and men needed fine baubles for their women. OP is just making so many bad points, but that stands out. Gold has held up for all of human history, so I take the wisdom of the ages over @Sargon's wife's son.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Plenty, but that's beside the point.
Also, it's a cute idea that you think that sort of mindset remains relevant in this hypothetical situation.
We are talking about survival, kill or be killed, and hunt mode. The idea that the individual means lesser or greater than the collective is pretty much one of the first things to go. Sure, there will be plenty of individuals who believe in the "It's SHTF, kill or be killed" and try to be assholes about it. They will be beaten without mercy, torn asunder, and then consumed. Now if a group of selfish individuals decide to go full retard and make a little barbarian clan of raiders, then they will be hunted mercilessly, not allowed sleep, and denied existential rights until they are extinct, disband, or brought to heel.
You know, shit hits the fan sort of community politics between clans that have opposing viewpoints
.

I've actually done hurricane relief as well as rebuilding hurricane stricken parts of the United states under contracts from the government

In this hypothetical situation, where the world truly goes to shit, let me tell you what would actually happen. You decide to raid, you get a bear trap on your leg, a punji pike in the spleen, a pendulum mace to the face, among other things. If you're alive, you are then put into a cage, along with your other living members, and you get to watch one by one as your dead members are cut to pieces for meat stuffs, disemboweled, and skinned for resources. Then, one by one, you will watch as your still living ones are done likewise, alive. First the skinning, then the removal of the limbs, and when the screaming gets annoying, disembowelment followed by burning; this will continue until it is your turn. The only thing left unused will be your heads, which will be placed on pikes outside of the fortifications, as a warning sign to other raiders. The message? "Fuck around and we'll eat you alive."

most of those things are actually highly ineffective to actually keep people away from your land and are more likely to hurt yourself I would suggest raise a wire in the old palisade method.
The difference between me and you is I actually know how to build those things and you don't
and why would I go robbing random homesteads instead of just going to the massive hardware stores stealing all of the tools and the valuable material.
Going to the pharmaceutical supply depots taking all of the oxycontin and other addictive substances.

Robbing random homesteads is completely and utterly pointless.

I will be taking over one of America's fortifications hey they may be outdated by the modern sense but they're still capable of keeping out most weirdos.


not planning to make yourself a warlord like during the russian civil war
not dressing like the black army lame and

there's no point in torturing people it shows absolutely no purpose but I will enjoy using you as slave labor to pick my cotton not because it's efficient because it would be amusing

Jewellery is perhaps one of the safest investments. In so many periods when society collapsed, a store of value all agreed on was needed and men needed fine baubles for their women. OP is just making so many bad points, but that stands out. Gold has held up for all of human history, so I take the wisdom of the ages over @Sargon's wife's son.

Yeah to an extent maybe when things settle down but in the immediate aftermath when things start collapsing very rapidly not so much.
Liquor will be more valuable along with cigarettes.

 

[YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG]

@Sargon's wife's son
"Don't defend your homestead, you'll hurt yourself, you don't even know how to build these things! Just let me live out my power trip fantasy! I'll let you live, I promise! Trust me, I know how to totally be an epic raider, I helped in Hurricane relief before!"

That last part sounds interesting, tell me a little bit more, this tells me you've probably skimmed public funds before, and done some not so great predatory things during times of crises. I'm going to assume it was either in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida, however, I'm not going to write off Virginia, Alabama, or South Carolina either.

Tell me a little bit more about what you've personally done that makes you the better prepper, and some oversights there are in the current FEMA system.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Yeah to an extent maybe when things settle down but in the immediate aftermath when things start collapsing very rapidly not so much.
Liquor will be more valuable along with cigarettes.

I note the image you posted. Gen Denikin and Trotsky might have agreed on almost nothing, but gold and silver lubricated warfare allowing the purchase of weapons and supplies from overseas and bribery of notable figures. Alcohol, cigarettes and paper money (Denikin's was some of the best) kept the shiftless masses of men moving, but gold and silver ensured they could be girded for war. Soviet Russia minted its rubles in a decent quality silver. The later confidence trick of Soviet scrip money wasn't viable without the security that came later.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

@Sargon's wife's son
"Don't defend your homestead, you'll hurt yourself, you don't even know how to build these things! Just let me live out my power trip fantasy! I'll let you live, I promise! Trust me, I know how to totally be an epic raider, I helped in Hurricane relief before!"

That last part sounds interesting, tell me a little bit more, this tells me you've probably skimmed public funds before, and done some not so great predatory things during times of crises. I'm going to assume it was either in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida, however, I'm not going to write off Virginia, Alabama, or South Carolina either.

Tell me a little bit more about what you've personally done that makes you the better prepper, and some oversights there are in the current FEMA system.

I did volunteer work with Christian charities with my own money because I thought it was the right thing to do when I was a naive humanist liberal.
Sadly I didn't actually skim any money but I saw that happen very frequently this guy I knew who was a complete and utter scumbag got a brand new house it wasn't a nice house but it was a fully paid for house by FEMA.

I also volunteered for a few groups of people who are setting up food kitchens for the displaced residents and I struck up a few conversations with some of the people they were scamming the government out of food stamps as well as overestimating the houses value because when your house is completely destroyed and the government backed flood insurance the insurance companies really don't care as much.

I also got to witness someone trying to stab one of the volunteers and someone being shot in front of us good times never doing that ever again.
And that's why I laugh at people when they have these ideas about humanity humans are a few meals away from butchering each other for a slice of bread.

 

[Obstacle]

We're in forested hilly country over here.
I've been building camps and secret bases and robbing from council depots since I was a nipper.
I know gardeners, I know welders, I know what they need.
A raider doesn't just have to be an indiscriminate hazard.
They're actually far more effective when attached to a community, and specifically targeting hostile groups.
The Pure "Raider Society" is unsustainable, but a traditional raiding season/farming season cycle certainly is.