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Just reminding everyone that this is Chris’s lawyer, poor guy he looks like a genuinely respectable and smart guy, having to be the defender for such a ridiculous case with this antisocial incestuous douchebag must certainly be a strain, hardly the best use of his skills.
 
What would've happened if Chris had been brought up by a reasonable responsible family. Would he still be the motherfucking retard we know him as today?
Honest answer? He wouldn't be here obviously, if he had folks who loved, cared, and smacked him when needed? I believe Chris would have been your normal average joe working a 9-5 in an office somewhere, he would be "Chris, nice guy but he's kinda weird". He wouldnt be known by anyone, wouldnt be noticed by anyone, he'd just be Chris from cubicle 8. It sounds mean to say it like that as I type it, but honestly I think being just an average guy would have been better for him in the long run, he wouldnt have delusions of grandeur, he more than likely wouldnt grow up with expectations for the world to bend to his will, he more than likely wouldn't be a sexual deviant, maybe still a virgin but certainly not the Virgin With Rage™ . The only thing that more than likely would not change would be his obsession with Sonic, mostly because Sonic seems to be a magnet for autistic people.
 
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Just reminding everyone that this is Chris’s lawyer, poor guy he looks like a genuinely respectable and smart guy, having to be the defender for such a ridiculous case with this antisocial incestuous douchebag must certainly be a strain, hardly the best use of his skills.
One could argue that this is actually one of his easier cases. It's his job to get the result that is in Chris' best interest, and for all intents and purposes Chris is where he should have been a decade ago and getting at least a bit of mental health care. It's likely Heilberg already has a deal with the prosecution and they're just waiting for some housing institution to have a space for Chris. Think about it, all he had to do was keep Chris in jail/ wherever he is now. I doubt he had to argue this case a lot.
Also, I doubt this is the most messed up case he ever handled. We care about it a lot but not necessarily because of what happened but rather because of the people involved. People commit more heinous crimes every day and their lawyers don't commit mass suicide. That's not to say what Chris didn't isn't disgusting, just saying that cases like these aren't exactly a new 9/11 for an experienced attorney
 
Just reminding everyone that this is Chris’s lawyer, poor guy he looks like a genuinely respectable and smart guy, having to be the defender for such a ridiculous case with this antisocial incestuous douchebag must certainly be a strain, hardly the best use of his skills.

Representing despicable people is all part of being a criminal defense lawyer. I'm sure it doesn't phase him one bit.
 
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Just reminding everyone that this is Chris’s lawyer, poor guy he looks like a genuinely respectable and smart guy, having to be the defender for such a ridiculous case with this antisocial incestuous douchebag must certainly be a strain, hardly the best use of his skills.
iirc the incest charge is a misdemeanor, this is hardly the trial of the century. This case is probably just baffling to him as to why he couldn't just convince Chris to fucking plead guilty already. But in all honesty, the more delays that occur is just more time that civilized society is protected from Chris.
 
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Just reminding everyone that this is Chris’s lawyer, poor guy he looks like a genuinely respectable and smart guy, having to be the defender for such a ridiculous case with this antisocial incestuous douchebag must certainly be a strain, hardly the best use of his skills.
I guess Chris is a good test of the groundwork he's done for the government of Virginia to help mentally abnormal criminals after they leave incarnation.
What would've happened if Chris had been brought up by a reasonable responsible family. Would he still be the motherfucking retard we know him as today?
I think he'd probally be like A-Log, likely still not have a job or girlfriend but overall less spoiled and entitled and keep any incest fantasies to his fiction.
 
There was this random SoundCloud hip hop cracker who visited Chris literally a week or two before the incest leak, and he said that Chris smelled awful and was wearing a negligee.
Is this documented anywhere? I wish to read more.

Still, isn’t “sometimes smells ok and sometimes smells like shit” better than “absolutely always smells like shit”?

hardly the best use of his skills.
I mean, it’s a job. He probably has paralegals doing the tedious parts. This isn’t his worst or most demanding case, as others have said.

It sounds mean to say it like that as I type it, but honestly I think being just an average guy would have been better for him in the long run,
That doesn’t sound mean at all. He’s currently in a mental institution having spent six months in jail. He would indeed be better off if that wasn’t the case.

This case is probably just baffling to him as to why he couldn't just convince Chris to fucking plead guilty already.
Is he trying to?

I guess Chris is a good test of the groundwork he's done for the government of Virginia to help mentally abnormal criminals after they leave incarnation.
That’s Rob Bell, the Snyder Incident lawyer.
 
iirc the incest charge is a misdemeanor, this is hardly the trial of the century. This case is probably just baffling to him as to why he couldn't just convince Chris to fucking plead guilty already. But in all honesty, the more delays that occur is just more time that civilized society is protected from Chris.

It's a bit more nuanced than that. He's held under a court that handles misdemeanors, on a charge that can be either a felony or a misdemeanor. He can still have a felony charge pending if they didn't lower it after his arrest, or have one added later, he just hasn't been indicted. Ordinarily he'd be indicted already, but it could be they were holding back on the indictment for a deal.

In the Snyder case, it took them 5 months to send it to a grand jury, presumably because they were trying to get Barb and Chris to agree to a misdemeanor guilty plea, but Barb and Chris believed Rob Bell could get them off entirely, so they refused, and it wound up going to circuit court.

The way this would work normally is that the judge would eventually push for a felony charge to go to indictment, because 6 months is a long time to go without indictment. At one year, the defense would be able to say that Chris should be released because he has not been indicted, and the judge would agree. 6 months is a long time to go without indictment, and one year is basically a soft deadline in most states.

In Virginia, 5 months in jail is the normal deadline unless the defense is actively blocking a probable cause hearing, or 9 months is the person is free on bail. They still try to keep it to 5 months in general, which is why they sent it to circuit court at that time in the Snyder case. In cases where the prosecution is intent on a felony conviction, they will normally make it happen much sooner, usually within a few weeks to a few months.

What happened instead at 6 months is Chris got sent to a mental hospital. This basically prevents a hearing for it to get sent to a grand jury. The prosecution can still go independently to a grand jury for indictment, but that's usually only done for very serious crimes. If they were absolutely intent on charging him with a felony though, they would do this. That they haven't indicates that the prosecution doesn't want to convict Chris on a felony.

So Chris could very well be in a weird state where his charges read as a felony, and the J&DR court can't convict on a felony sentence, but the probable cause hearing that would send him to circuit court also can't happen, because he's in a mental hospital.

This creates the situation where Chris can be held in a mental hospital for longer than a year without indictment since his arrest, instead defaulting to the limit of 5 years where they have to decide whether to commit Chris as a free civilian rather than as an accused suspect, or let him go.

My best guess is that they will try to get Chris to plead guilty at the July hearing, with one year time served. But if Chris remains looney toons and claims he's innocent because he's a Sonichu Jesus and Harvey Birdman will prove it because that's how courts work, they might keep him longer. Heilberg *could* argue that they have to make the release or commit decision at that point, and force the prosecution to go for direct indictment or cut bait, but he probably won't as that would expose Chris to a felony conviction.

Instead Chris, if he's still nuts, will stay in the mental hospital until he either is restored to the point that he pleads guilty to a misdemeanor, or he is locked up for 5 years and the charges are dropped.

I hope they found some good drugs to give him in the hospital.

EDIT: I guess an explanation would help. In Virginia, there are two ways to go to circuit court. Either via a district-level court (General District or J&DR), or directly to Circuit Court. Either way, a grand jury is presented with evidence for probable cause, and the grand jury can issue the indictment.

The normal path is for the probable cause to be contested at the district level (and this is encouraged to happen quickly in J&DR court). A hearing is held about whether there is probable cause that the defendant committed a felony, and if probable cause is found, then the results are sent to the grand jury, which can refuse to indict but normally it is a rubber stamp. Alternatively, the defense can decide to not challenge the indictment, and it proceeds to circuit court.

The other path is a direct indictment where the prosecution -- *without* input from the defense -- goes directly to the grand jury and gives them a one-sided presentation. The grand jury can then decide to indict. This is less rubber-stampish, but they still usually go along with the indictment. However, since the defense has not had a chance to rebut, they can demand a probable cause hearing in circuit court to challenge the indictment. Since circuit court litigation has a higher cost and is harder to schedule, prosecutors normally don't go this route unless forced to, or in cases where they want to secure a conviction as quickly as possible for particularly heinous crimes. Direct indictments for wobblers are almost unheard of.

If Chris continues to be found incompetent, he can't assist in his defense in a probable cause hearing, so after a year the prosecution can be presented with the choice to drop the charges or go directly to the grand jury. This would be a pain in the ass, but if they want to be certain to keep Chris contained, they will do it.

If Chris is found competent, they can either do a plea deal to give him time served, or they can proceed with a probable cause hearing to indict him on a felony.

If Chris is found to still be incompetent, but they don't want to go to the trouble of a direct indictment, and they are forced to drop charges, they can still push to find Chris incapacitated and thus eligible for civil commitment. Alternatively, Heilberg can decide not to force the issue and Chris can just stay in the hospital longer on a non-indicted felony charge, unless the judge disagrees and demands the charges be dropped.
 
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If Chris was in jail, he'd be going full ham Jesus mode right about now.
He can still go full Jesus mode in the hospital. He just has to compete with the four other people who claim to be Jesus and the three others who claim to be Napoleon.

It's a bit more nuanced than that. He's held under a court that handles misdemeanors, on a charge that can be either a felony or a misdemeanor. He can still have a felony charge pending if they didn't lower it after his arrest, or have one added later, he just hasn't been indicted. Ordinarily he'd be indicted already, but it could be they were holding back on the indictment for a deal.

In the Snyder case, it took them 5 months to send it to a grand jury, presumably because they were trying to get Barb and Chris to agree to a misdemeanor guilty plea, but Barb and Chris believed Rob Bell could get them off entirely, so they refused, and it wound up going to circuit court.

The way this would work normally is that the judge would eventually push for a felony charge to go to indictment, because 6 months is a long time to go without indictment. At one year, the defense would be able to say that Chris should be released because he has not been indicted, and the judge would agree. 6 months is a long time to go without indictment, and one year is basically a soft deadline in most states.

In Virginia, 5 months in jail is the normal deadline unless the defense is actively blocking a probable cause hearing, or 9 months is the person is free on bail. They still try to keep it to 5 months in general, which is why they sent it to circuit court at that time in the Snyder case. In cases where the prosecution is intent on a felony conviction, they will normally make it happen much sooner, usually within a few weeks to a few months.

What happened instead at 6 months is Chris got sent to a mental hospital. This basically prevents a hearing for it to get sent to a grand jury. The prosecution can still go independently to a grand jury for indictment, but that's usually only done for very serious crimes. If they were absolutely intent on charging him with a felony though, they would do this. That they haven't indicates that the prosecution doesn't want to convict Chris on a felony.

So Chris could very well be in a weird state where his charges read as a felony, and the J&DR court can't convict on a felony sentence, but the probable cause hearing that would send him to circuit court also can't happen, because he's in a mental hospital.

This creates the situation where Chris can be held in a mental hospital for longer than a year without indictment since his arrest, instead defaulting to the limit of 5 years where they have to decide whether to commit Chris as a free civilian rather than as an accused suspect, or let him go.

My best guess is that they will try to get Chris to plead guilty at the July hearing, with one year time served. But if Chris remains looney toons and claims he's innocent because he's a Sonichu Jesus and Harvey Birdman will prove it because that's how courts work, they might keep him longer. Heilberg *could* argue that they have to make the release or commit decision at that point, and force the prosecution to go for direct indictment or cut bait, but he probably won't as that would expose Chris to a felony conviction.

Instead Chris, if he's still nuts, will stay in the mental hospital until he either is restored to the point that he pleads guilty to a misdemeanor, or he is locked up for 5 years and the charges are dropped.

I hope they found some good drugs to give him in the hospital.
So let me get this straight.

Because Chris is in the loony bin he's in legal limbo right now. If he was still in jail then come July the Judge would tell the prosecutor "are you charging him with a felony or not?" and the prosecution would either have to indite him on felony charges or proceed to trial with misdemeanor charges. Since he is in a mental hospital a Grand Jury can't charge him with a felony but he can be held in the hospital for five years like he is charged with one at which point the charges are dropped and he is free to go? Is that right? Could Chris spend the next five years at the funny farm and then get released because of a legal technicality?
 
Because Chris is in the loony bin he's in legal limbo right now. If he was still in jail then come July the Judge would tell the prosecutor "are you charging him with a felony or not?" and the prosecution would either have to indite him on felony charges or proceed to trial with misdemeanor charges. Since he is in a mental hospital a Grand Jury can't charge him with a felony but he can be held in the hospital for five years like he is charged with one at which point the charges are dropped and he is free to go? Is that right? Could Chris spend the next five years at the funny farm and then get released because of a legal technicality?

Mostly correct.

The question is if the defense demands an indictment or not, and how the request for an indictment goes to the grand jury.

If Heilberg doesn't demand an indictment, and if the judge doesn't demand an indictment, then it stays in limbo and Chris stays in the hospital until he's deemed competent, or 5 years, whichever comes first.

If Heilberg *does* demand an indictment, J&DR court can't do the hearing to send it to the grand jury (because Chris is incompetent and in a mental hospital), so the prosecution has to decide whether to drop charges, or ask the grand jury anyway. The grand jury can indict without input from the defense, but the defense is still entitled to a probable cause hearing. The difference is whether the probable cause hearing happens in J&DR court before the indictment, or in circuit court after the indictment.

Circuit court is a much bigger pain in the ass for the prosecution, so they'll only do it if Heilberg contests it and they are determined to keep Chris in guaranteed containment.

If Chris is found competent in July, the case proceeds as normal. Either misdemeanor plea deal, deferred disposition (basically the same as the therapeutic docket for his trespassing charge in 2018 ), or probable cause for indictment.

If Chris is still incompetent, Heilberg can choose to demand the charges be dropped, or Heilberg can not contest it and leave Chris in the hospital for up to five years. Heilberg is supposed to represent the best interests of his client, so this depends on what he deems the best interests of his client to be.

If Heilberg *does* demand the charges be dropped, the prosecutor can choose to agree to drop the charges, or he can go directly to the grand jury for an indictment, bypassing the J&DR court. Then it's basically a battle between risking Chris be at larger risk of a felony conviction vs. the desire of the prosecution to keep Chris in the hospital.

If between 1 year and 5 years since his arrest, and Chris is still in the hospital but then is deemed competent, if indicted it goes to circuit court, or Chris can make a plea deal in J&DR court if neither Heilberg nor the judge demanded indictment.

If Chris is still deemed incompetent after 5 years, or if in July Heilberg demands an indictment of incompetent Chris and the prosection does not pursue direct indictment, the charges will be automatically dropped.

If the charges are dropped while Chris is incompetent, either by the prosecution deciding not to fight the case, or if the 5 year deadline is reached, Chris is now a regular civilian, and the court must now determine if he is insane and must stay in a hospital (by the standards of a normal civilian, not as an inmate).

If the prosecution charges Chris with rape, and the charges are dropped due to incompetence, then if a doctor determines that Chris cannot control his urges to rape, they can also send him to stay in a hospital indefinitely. Ordinarily this only happens to people convicted of rape, but this can also be applied to someone whose charges are dropped due to incompetence.

Short answer: If Chris never is deemed competent, he gets released to a tard home after 1 year if the prosecution doesn't fight it. Chris gets released to tard home after 5 years regardless. UNLESS Chris is deemed insane, or is determined to be a rapist incapable of self-control, in which case he stays in a mental hospital until he is deemed sane and not a compulsive rapist.

If Chris is deemed competent, his court case continues as normal.

If he is is released due to unrestored incompetence, but later a doctor finds him competent, the charges can be reintroduced and he can go back to court, with any sentence including the 1 to 5 years of time served. This time an indictment would be mandatory to keep him in custody. If he is only charged with incest, and he is hospitalized for a cumulative amount of 10 years for the same charge, then when the charges are dropped they cannot incarcerate him further on incest charges, and must either release him permanently or commit him for incapacity (insanity).

Basically they can only hospitalize him for incompetence for 5 years max, and if he's ever deemed competent, they can only hospitalize him for incompetence relapse for up to 10 cumulative years.

Realistically, he will not receive over a 5 year sentence for his crime, so if he somehow gets dropped charges for a 5 year stay in the hospital, they're not going to bother trying to charge him again.

Chris is probably going to be released in July. If he isn't, he will almost certainly be released within 5 years. UNLESS he is deemed incapacitated in which case he stays in the hospital basically forever.

The alternative is Chris is deemed competent but then receives a (time spent in jail+hospital) to 10 year sentence in circuit court, after which is a free man.
 
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I just love the idea that nobody knows what the fuck to do with Chris. If he was a wild animal he would've been put down already but because he kinda looks like a human being, they can't.

Hopefully Barb will finally pass away and Chris will be allowed to go back to his home, quietly, for the sake of my entertainment because he isn't really fit to do anything else. Who knows, maybe Barb dying will be a blessing for Chris' future
 
I wonder what “declared competent” means in this case. If he only has to demonstrate he can assist in his defense without taking a shit on the floor while declaring himself Jesuschu, or if it’s a more difficult standard to reach.

Hopefully Barb will finally pass away and Chris will be allowed to go back to his home, quietly, for the sake of my entertainment because he isn't really fit to do anything else.
Is Chris capable of doing anything quietly?

Who knows, maybe Barb dying will be a blessing for Chris' future
How do you figure? Barb dying doesn’t mean Chris gets released, let alone that Chris gets the house or the means to take care of it.
 
How do you figure? Barb dying doesn’t mean Chris gets released, let alone that Chris gets the house or the means to take care of it.
Not having to take care of Barb at all would be sort of a good thing for him IF he gets out. That's a big IF sadly, as much as i want Chris to be released.
 
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What is the whole "assist in his defense"? For example, lets say the simplest thing is, Chris believes he's 100% innocent and refuses to cooperate other than "I didn't have sex with my mom, I healed her, and I'm innocent", why does the court need him to "acknowledge" that? For example, someone shoots someone else, but refuses to acknowledge they caused that person greavious harm, claims they're innocent and refuses to cooperate with their attorney because they didn't believe they did anything wrong, claiming instead it was self defense or they were "helping him" or "taking out the trash" kind of thing. "Deeboe needed help and I gave it to him". It would seem if you just went that route, it would be a big production to get you charged and a chance you wouldn't be charged by the sounds of it. Wouldn't Chris saying he "healed her" basically be admitting to the charge? And what if he just refused to sign any paperwork?

I imagine they're just not taking Chris's admission on the tape as concrete evidence after they examined Barb. If she just refused to cooperate with law enforcement, would that be enough of a monkey in the wrench to the prosecution? Or is Chris using some kind of crazy language like "healing her" enough? It would seem some pedophile who fucked a kid could claim that they were "helping them" and that would be enough to royally screw with the prosecution.

Things like that lead me to believe Chris either completely shutdown on hearing he couldn't go back to 14 Branchland and/or completely tarded out and was uncontrollable, throwing a tantrum in court and needing to be restrained. It would seem to me that happens a lot in criminal cases, yet people get convicted pretty readily. If Chris did shutdown and went "mute" and refused to say or do anything, would that be enough to ship him off to the nut house?
 
What is the whole "assist in his defense"? For example, lets say the simplest thing is, Chris believes he's 100% innocent and refuses to cooperate other than "I didn't have sex with my mom, I healed her, and I'm innocent", why does the court need him to "acknowledge" that?
It shows cognizance of what is going on and what he's accused of. If he mean what if he refused to enter a plea, then that would depend why. If he thinks it means he can't be sent to trial, that's at least within the realm of understanding a legal position. A plea of not guilty would be entered in that case. If he thinks he's actually on Mars being tormented by demons, then he still isn't competent.

There's also a point where they have to decide whether he's malingering. That will probably be in a report that we will likely never see, unless Chris later presents it to prove he's sane or some other crazy Chris thing. I think all we'll ever know if he gets out of jail this year will be from his own mouth.
 
Not having to take care of Barb at all would be sort of a good thing for him IF he gets out. That's a big IF sadly, as much as i want Chris to be released.
It's a fine balancing act of wanting to see Chris produce more milk and not wanting him to run at large like some sort of sexually offensive gender confused hooligan.
 
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Just reminding everyone that this is Chris’s lawyer, poor guy he looks like a genuinely respectable and smart guy, having to be the defender for such a ridiculous case with this antisocial incestuous douchebag must certainly be a strain, hardly the best use of his skills.
He's a do-gooder. I feel for him though. Imagine knowing nothing about Chris and thinking you can somehow help or reform him.
 
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