Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

All we'll get are demented letters and jail art that Praetor will sell for money.

Can you get coloured pencils or pens in prison cuz that's the only way to spice things up if Chris gets the 10 year sentence.

There are organizations that promote and sell art in prisons for the benefit of inmates. Art for Redemption, for example, sells art. They can deposit 50% of the proceeds into an inmate's account. There's a sold section on the website, the most expensive artworks listed as sold are $500.

I looked through the art available for sale and practically everyone is better at drawing or painting than Chris. There is one artist, Norman L. Mayes, who is 77 years old and appears to be around Chris's skill level and his art wouldn't look out of place in the Sonichu comics. A quote: "I've been drawing ever since I can remember. Here in prison I draw. I call my work (Art) ConArt. Key Hole is my trademark." One of these pieces is $20 and the other is $35.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Kind of wishful thinking though since I assume he'd have to agree to it.

Actually involuntary admittance is possible, but it's not very easy to qualify. In order to involuntarily admit someone to a mental facility (home, hospital, etc.), they must both have a mental disability, and that disability must make them a threat to others. The key is that it has to be the disability that makes them a threat, they can't just be a threat and have a disability. Chris is a threat to Barb and possibly other vulnerable women, and at least has autism, but it's questionable whether or not the two are linked.

 

[Ophelia]

I think the ideal result would be Chris put in a home where he's constantly monitored and has a tard wrangler with him when he goes out anywhere although that likely would restrict content but I'm sure we'd still get some funny content as Chris absolutely despises being told what to do by anyone who has power over him such as teachers or jerkops.

As long as he has monitored internet access so we can see his complaints, this is the ideal.

Kind of wishful thinking though since I assume he'd have to agree to it.

Given the choice between food and a bed in that situation or a crusty sleeping bag under a bridge if he refuses, which do you think he’d choose? He’s running out of options.

Don't forget blushing like a school girl and looking out barred windows in a wistful way.
Missing that sweetheart of his.

“Somewhere out there beneath da same big sky….”

Wish we could get a statement by Bell, while I understand his own son is autistic. It seems like a big jump from wanting to better your own son's life to expecting your son to be a criminal so let's pass a law helping autistics.

I didn’t know his son was autistic. That makes things clearer. I see it as he has defended some autists (not Chris) who made stupid decisions, but are otherwise without malice and are much like his son. Perhaps his work on this issue has been despite Chris (the odd asshole man out), not because of him.

 

[Kyuss]

They can deposit 50% of the proceeds into an inmate's account. There's a sold section on the website, the most expensive artworks listed as sold are $500.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it against federal law for any inmate currently serving to make money from a non-approved work program? Or is this limited to only violent offenders aka "murderabilia".
If so would Chris be unable to make money on any of his artwork since he is a previous violent offender, currently serving time?

“Somewhere out there beneath da same big sky….”

"My sweetheart will wait for me."

Perhaps his work on this issue has been despite Chris (the odd asshole man out), not because of him.

More importantly 25% of the prison population is neurodivergent if not more and seems to afflict the African/Hispanic at .1% higher than whites and that is assuredly underreported (not to mention whites tend to overreport). This is an extremely easy way to justify a possible exodus from prisons, get people treatment.
It's not a horrible idea all in all. It's an interesting experiment to say the very least.
It will be an absolute nightmare for the psychotherapy community. Positive outcome numbers are going to sink to untold lows as repeat offenders end up in jail over and over.
Which I still see as a positive, I think the therapy community is one of the smuggest communities on the planet, but of course they will just justify this as an excuse to say "see we told you we needed more funding."

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

Actually involuntary admittance is possible, but it's not very easy to qualify. In order to involuntarily admit someone to a mental facility (home, hospital, etc.), they must both have a mental disability, and that disability must make them a threat to others. The key is that it has to be the disability that makes them a threat, they can't just be a threat and have a disability. Chris is a threat to Barb and possibly other vulnerable women, and at least has autism, but it's questionable whether or not the two are linked.

At the age of 32, Chris pepper sprayed a Gamestop employee because of his autistic obsession with a minor visual change in a children's video game character. He would not have pepper sprayed anyone if he were not autistic. I'd say that act indicates that Chris's brand of autism makes him a threat to other people.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it against federal law for any inmate currently serving to make money from a non-approved work program? Or is this limited to only violent offenders aka "murderabilia".
If so would Chris be unable to make money on any of his artwork since he is a previous violent offender, currently serving time?

The artist I posted has been in prison for 20 years so his offense was probably violent, but I couldn't find what it was exactly. He's up for parole in 2023. I am not a lawyer, but I think what you are describing mainly applies to Son of Sam laws, which prevent a criminal from profiting from publicity from their crimes. It looks like many Son of Sam laws have been struck down as violations of 1st Amendment rights.

 

[Kyuss]

It looks like many Son of Sam laws have been struck down as violations of 1st Amendment rights.

Thanks for helping to clarify.
I've found a few citations that individual states can sue for restitution for the victims or families.
Gacy used as a citation for that, his artwork was being hunted down to be destroyed and/or taxing the individuals who own it. Not much update in the last few years though seems to be an early 2000s ordeal that never caught much traction.

 

[BobJones997]

Actually involuntary admittance is possible, but it's not very easy to qualify. In order to involuntarily admit someone to a mental facility (home, hospital, etc.), they must both have a mental disability, and that disability must make them a threat to others. The key is that it has to be the disability that makes them a threat, they can't just be a threat and have a disability. Chris is a threat to Barb and possibly other vulnerable women, and at least has autism, but it's questionable whether or not the two are linked.

It used to be easier back in the day, but yes you are correct on that. I'd say the chances of Chris getting involuntarily committed are less than 0.1% (It might go up a little bit if he gets charged with rape but even then I think it would be rather low). I think the people who think this is going to happen are not from the United States and don't understand just how high the bar is to get someone involuntarily committed. Up until the incest shit, Chris's criminal record wasn't even severe. He was just charged with mostly stupid shit here and there. I've known people who aren't even retarded that have a much more extensive and violent criminal record than Chris.

At the age of 32, Chris pepper sprayed a Gamestop employee because of his autistic obsession with a minor visual change in a children's video game character. He would not have pepper sprayed anyone if he were not autistic. I'd say that act indicates that Chris's brand of autism makes him a threat to other people.

They aren't going to give a shit about that. The guy wasn't even injured and he was charged with a misdemeanor. It takes a lot more than this to get a tard involuntarily committed.

 

[Jon Osterman]

It used to be easier back in the day

Yeah it used to be if someone simply had a mental illness they could be immediately thrown in a home.

They aren't going to give a shit about that. The guy wasn't even injured and he was charged with a misdemeanor. It takes a lot more than this to get a tard involuntarily committed.

If I'm reading the law correctly (and I apologize for messing up in the original post), they can only be involuntarily committed if they pose an immediate threat to themself or others because of their illness (a clinically depressed person say they're gonna jump or a schizophrenic is talking about getting someone before they get him). I believe that currently, Chris is an immediate threat because he'd charge right back to 14BC and to Barb if released. But, once Barb croaks and Chris' #1 target is out of the picture, it's be very hard to prove that he is a threat (not saying he would or would not take advantage of vulnerable people in fact I think he would, just that it'd be hard to prove he would).

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah it used to be if someone simply had a mental illness they could be immediately thrown in a home.

You didn't even really need a mental illness, just to be kind of annoying and an embarrassment to your wealthy parents.

 

[Ophelia]

I think the people who think this is going to happen are not from the United States and don't understand just how high the bar is to get someone involuntarily committed.

The farms have shown me that many Americans have no idea how difficult it is. The 1960s were a long time ago, my friends. And it’s true they used to go overboard with committing people. Read about the history of lobotomies if you want to be sad. But there’s a happy medium between Nurse Ratched and what we have now. The amount of sincerely mentally ill people with no one to care for them just wandering around homeless is alarming and tragic. We threw out the baby with the bathwater when we closed the institutions. But I digress.

You didn't even really need a mental illness, just to be kind of annoying and an embarrassment to your wealthy parents.

Or have postpartum depression and not be in the mood for sex for too long. Shit was bad.

 

[BobJones997]

The farms have shown me that many Americans have no idea how difficult it is. The 1960s were a long time ago, my friends. And it’s true they used to go overboard with committing people. Read about the history of lobotomies if you want to be sad. But there’s a happy medium between Nurse Ratched and what we have now. The amount of sincerely mentally ill people with no one to care for them just wandering around homeless is alarming and tragic. We threw out the baby with the bathwater when we closed the institutions. But I digress.


Or have postpartum depression and not be in the mood for sex for too long. Shit was bad.

I actually misread Jon's post. Getting temporarily involuntarily committed is actually not that uncommon. It almost always happens when sometimes attempts suicide or stops taking their medication and becomes psychotic (Usually when this happens there committed against there will for a couple of days to a couple of weeks). However getting permanently involuntarily committed is a whole another order, and is usually a last resort when everything else has failed and there is no chance of the person ever showing any improvement (Usually this happens when someone is declared criminally insane, which Chris isn't) . Unfortunately it's very rare in America, I've known some people who should have had this happen to them but because it didn't happen they ended up killing themselves instead. I suspect with Chris's case he'll almost certainly get sent to a group home where he'll have a tard wrangler and not permanently involuntarily committed to a mental hospital. However, if he fucks up and somehow gets in really big trouble again then it could potentially happen.

 

[Jon Osterman]

I actually misread Jon's post.

To be fair to you I didn't directly specify that I was talking about temporary commitment, nor did I really consider the difference between temporary and permanent. I'm sure permanent commitment is even harder to get cleared and would require Chris to do something like beat someone to death because they said the merge wasn't happening (probably something less extreme than that actually).

 

[Ophelia]

Chris is stupid and incompetent to the point where he can’t take care of himself or his finances without help, especially now that he’s committed a crime and alienated his family. That doesn’t make him a total lunatic.

 

[dirtydeanna96]

The perineum slicing, was that troll induced, or an original thought?

I was around for that, and it seemed organic at the time, but did somebody talk Chris into making a vagina?

 

[Ophelia]

The perineum slicing, was that troll induced, or an original thought?

I was around for that, and it seemed organic at the time, but did somebody talk Chris into making a vagina?

I remember when that happened. The insiders at the time said Chris did it because he was drunk and doesn’t have control over his imagination (something to that effect) iirc.

The weirdest most destructive things were usually thought up by Chris himself.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Wish we could get a statement by Bell, while I understand his own son is autistic. It seems like a big jump from wanting to better your own son's life to expecting your son to be a criminal so let's pass a law helping autistics.

I am certain it was because of his dealings with Chris and his mother during the trial. Not even because of the theme of trial, Autistic Man and Mother Go on Vehicle Assault Rampage Because They're Trespassing and Stalking a Game Store Because of a Troll Conspiracy, just having to listen to Barb screeching about how hard her life has been because Chris is autistic, how he doesn't understand things, about how this game store owner fabricated a world wide targeted attack on him, how they "tricked" Chris into thinking Snyder left via a carefully crafted psyop with a sign that said "Under new management", which Snyder just knew would lure Chris in... Et Cetera...

Talking to Chris, really anyone could tell that he's not even remotely cut out for any kind of stint in the regular penal population of the criminal system in America, let alone understand anything with the legal proceedings. There was probably talk of a jail stint back then, but the "Well what's Chris going to do after he gets out?" got thrown around a lot. I think that's the number one issue with Chris going on now, is the court has no idea what he'll do when he gets out. Even some pretty dumb crooks can figure out the basics on how to live if they were suddenly pushed into the world. Chris would just gorge himself on McNuggets and pass out in the mall to go to sleep if he was released, making it even more of a headache for the local judicial system.

Wonder if he had some statistics thrown in his face on how many prisoners are legit mentally ill or if his experience with Chris helped to define his position on it.

There are a lot of autistic people in the corrections systems, but they tend to have their wits about them with street smarts and picking stuff up in prison. They know (most of the time) not to go completely ape shit if someone calls them a name they don't like, whereas someone like Chris would have zero qualms about absolutely losing it and screaming at the person. A lot of those autistic prisoners are also young enough that they can be trained into at least being a functional member of society that can acquire basic things like housing and a job. Chris doesn't even have a family anymore in most regards given what he did, let alone any prospects.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it against federal law for any inmate currently serving to make money from a non-approved work program? Or is this limited to only violent offenders aka "murderabilia".
If so would Chris be unable to make money on any of his artwork since he is a previous violent offender, currently serving time?

From my understanding (as a Bong) that rule only applies to works relating to there crime While they are incarcerated, so he could write a book based on his barb mollestation and sell it and pocket the money, but he can do anything else and it's fair game for him to sell.

I only know that because of some things mentioned about a few American Criminals I've looked into.

At the age of 32, Chris pepper sprayed a Gamestop employee because of his autistic obsession with a minor visual change in a children's video game character. He would not have pepper sprayed anyone if he were not autistic. I'd say that act indicates that Chris's brand of autism makes him a threat to other people.

Threat is such a fungible term it makes it's meaning useless in cases like Chris, Yes if he was allowed back to 14BLC today and Barb was there she'd be under threat of Molestation. If Chris is left alone with someone who's compromised through drink or drugs yea sure he's a threat to them if they are incapacitated but to the general population he's not a considerable threat unless he was armed in some capacity.

I'd argue if Chris is ever released and there is any indication ever he's Blarmed an Dangerous that should trigger some form of intervention legally, but I don't know if that's even possible where he is.

 

[AnOminous]

From my understanding (as a Bong) that rule only applies to works relating to there crime While they are incarcerated, so he could write a book based on his barb mollestation and sell it and pocket the money, but he can do anything else and it's fair game for him to sell.

So-called "Son of Sam" laws are generally unconstitutional.

Son of Sam Laws

Son of Sam laws prohibit criminals from profiting from media about their crimes. The Supreme Court overturned New York's Son of Sam law as violating the First Amendment.

www.mtsu.edu

Many states still have them on the books, but at least the ones based on the original New York statute that gave them their name are almost certainly unconstitutional. The kind that generally pass muster are those that can freeze the profits for restitution or civil judgments relating to the crime.

You're unlikely to see an attempt to enforce such a law relating to Chris, even under some revised statute that somehow fixes the unconstitutionality of such statutes.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

So-called "Son of Sam" laws are generally unconstitutional.

Son of Sam Laws

Son of Sam laws prohibit criminals from profiting from media about their crimes. The Supreme Court overturned New York's Son of Sam law as violating the First Amendment.

www.mtsu.edu

Many states still have them on the books, but at least the ones based on the original New York statute that gave them their name are almost certainly unconstitutional. The kind that generally pass muster are those that can freeze the profits for restitution or civil judgments relating to the crime.

You're unlikely to see an attempt to enforce such a law relating to Chris, even under some revised statute that somehow fixes the unconstitutionality of such statutes.

Ah thanks for the correction, as I said I learned it from a few things I looked up and it's nice to be corrected on the subject.