Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Marvin]

From this he won't really learn, he'll just understand specifically pepper spraying manajerks is wrong, but every one else if they push his buttons will still be fair game.

No, he's focusing on the pepper spray part, not the manajerk part. Chris is scared shitless of pepper spray.

With Chris though it's not just a single thing, every part of him is a building storm he will do a little here a little there, it will build into a unholy crechendo of events he can't play the tard card in and he will face a much more sever punishment. It's a few years coming but it will happen an when it happens it will happen in the most unexpected and bizarre way.

On average, Chris is moving away from troubling situations, not towards them. The problem is that the punishments aren't severe enough, so while he's improving, it's only very, very slowly. And like you mention, Chris is only learning very specific lessons.

For example, the lesson Chris learned here is "pepper spray = bad", not the much more useful lesson of "respect authority".

But of course, strictly speaking, Chris' failure to respect authority isn't actually what gets Chris in trouble. Seriously. Chris does not get in trouble for the typical dumb stuff he does. Chris goes around town, acting like a dumbass in retail stores. He gets banned or he gets scared and runs away. As soon as Chris is out of the door, the situation is over as far as the store managers are concerned. Chris isn't worth bothering with past that point.

 

[GS 281]

I dunno, I think the lesson that pepper spray = bad is the more useful lesson for him to learn. People have developed a soft spot for Chris, and I have one, too. But his willingness to use weapons on other people, or at least his lack of care resulting in him using weapons on other people is a serious issue. This is the second time that we know of that he has done stuff like this in a few years. I have to say the justice system dropped the ball if he doesn't receive some sort of incarceration. He was supposed to get help after Snyder. Of course he didn't, so its time for the system to take over for a bit and see what it can do. As Chris is clearly losing grip and whatever problems he has on top of Autism are taking over, it will do the public some good to have him called in so that there can be more learned about him so that preparations can be made for the next time he acts up.

 

[Ravenor]

No, he's focusing on the pepper spray part, not the manajerk part. Chris is scared shitless of pepper spray.

On average, Chris is moving away from troubling situations, not towards them. The problem is that the punishments aren't severe enough, so while he's improving, it's only very, very slowly. And like you mention, Chris is only learning very specific lessons.

For example, the lesson Chris learned here is "pepper spray = bad", not the much more useful lesson of "respect authority".

But of course, strictly speaking, Chris' failure to respect authority isn't actually what gets Chris in trouble. Seriously. Chris does not get in trouble for the typical dumb stuff he does. Chris goes around town, acting like a dumbass in retail stores. He gets banned or he gets scared and runs away. As soon as Chris is out of the door, the situation is over as far as the store managers are concerned. Chris isn't worth bothering with past that point.

1) Sorry I got the focus wrong, but I do agree he is scared, however I doubt he is scared of the right thing.

2) I have to say mate, I doubt it. I can sadly only see him gettinginto worse situations as time passes by, small transgression that goes unpunished obviously to him means its OK, little by little he get's worse. He starts out as a smelly manchid, then escalates into a problematic socially oblivious harassment problem.that you have to ban hammer several times.

3) As I said he is specific, he is terrified of the consequences not fearful of what he has done or what he could do again.

4) What Chris does is mostly, Small if annoying potatoes. However, those small potatoes eventually turn into one pissed off farmer he might go out intending to shop an be a general nucace one day and some one finally has enough of him disrupting there day. I know quite a few small business owners who are willing at first then just give gup giving a shit as they are more of a problem. Tony Bifta is a perfect example, he's in his 30's an smokes about 90 a day but never has a lighter when he first moved to the area he wasn't a problem walked up an down the street asking for a light, but then followed people who wouldnt give him a light into the restaurant or pub an became a general problem, he was finally arrested and sectioned under the mental health act.

Chris isn't a problem till he becomes a problem and it's only a matter of time in any given situation from the extensive knowledge we have of him becomes a problem, it just takes one person to have a real problem with him before it becomes serious, toss a few buzwords of fear around an the Police WILL take notice and it won't result in escorting him back home for the 1000th time, it will be towards a Cell an not a single person will be there to explain away his ecentricity.

 

[Marvin]

I dunno, I think the lesson that pepper spray = bad is the more useful lesson for him to learn.

Oh, it's definitely the more immediately useful lesson. But the pepper spray only became an issue in the first place because Chris doesn't respect authority (well, he doesn't respect anyone, for that matter). Chris routinely vandalizes shit and ignores bans. If Chris figured out the larger concept that "this is not my property, I need to respect authority here", then he wouldn't have gotten into the pepper spray situation in the first place.

People have developed a soft spot for Chris, and I have one, too. But his willingness to use weapons on other people, or at least his lack of care resulting in him using weapons on other people is a serious issue. This is the second time that we know of that he has done stuff like this in a few years.

The thing with Snyder wasn't a weapon issue. Chris hit him accidentally and failed to stop.

I have to say the justice system dropped the ball if he doesn't receive some sort of incarceration.

I definitely think Chris could use a month or two in county. Jail is almost never a net-positive for the person being incarcerated. However, there is no other authority in Chris' life that can teach him the necessary lessons. Jail is literally the only thing that can do that.

However, this is not immediately apparent to the courts.

As Chris is clearly losing grip and whatever problems he has on top of Autism are taking over, it will do the public some good to have him called in so that there can be more learned about him so that preparations can be made for the next time he acts up.

He's not getting worse. He's actually pretty static when it comes to these things. He's slightly starting to avoid risky situations, if only out of fear.

He starts out as a smelly manchid, then escalates into a problematic socially oblivious harassment problem.that you have to ban hammer several times.

What makes you think things are changing or getting worse? They're actually very static.

3) As I said he is specific, he is terrified of the consequences not fearful of what he has done or what he could do again.

I think that's a distinction without a difference. From an external perspective, it has the same result of scaring Chris away from doing this again.

4) What Chris does is mostly, Small if annoying potatoes. However, those small potatoes eventually turn into one pissed off farmer he might go out intending to shop an be a general nucace one day and some one finally has enough of him disrupting there day.

Eh, Target and Walmart doesn't pay people to get pissed off. Target and Walmart don't have the institutional memory to stick it to Chris. That's why he's so effective at shopping there.

 

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[AnOminous]

I definitely think Chris could use a month or two in county. Jail is almost never a net-positive for the person being incarcerated. However, there is no other authority in Chris' life that can teach him the necessary lessons. Jail is literally the only thing that can do that.

However, this is not immediately apparent to the courts.

I think a week or a month wouldn't do him any great harm and might at least curb his tendency toward violence, plus he kind of deserves it. Attacking some completely innocent guy, even if he was unharmed, was seriously out of line.

But I won't be shocked or horrified if he isn't.

 

[Lipitor]

I have to doubt this. I know that the common thought process here is that he will get off because he isn't as bad as people make him out to be, but when someone attacks someone with mace for no reason at all, I don't see how jail time is avoided. He also has Snyder on his sheet. Vehicular assault and attack with mace are a good 1-2 punch for being put away for a while.

You're not wrong about him deserving it. But he played the autism card... He's getting a slap on the wrist.

 

[timtommy]

*= My understanding of getting a idea into Chris's head is very much like Training a puppy, you have to get it into it's head that what it just did was bad in a very short time frame or the mental connection is lost, between Action an Repocution for action. But he only will ever have a idea why it's bad for him, not others. A Dog understands X is bad as every one won't like me if I do X, but over time learns to teach that behaviour to it's pups, they lack the wonderful an horrible gift of evolutionary the Human ego, they know dropping a load on the living room carpet isn't acceptable to the rest of the pack and will beg to be let out into the garden to poop freely where it's OK for them to drop a load. Chris is the Puppy who knows he really shouldn't drop a load infront of the TV but can't hold it in because of all the excitement, but doesn't understand why it's not acceptable for him todo so if he's caught short.

Well he did spend 3 days in jail immediately afterward. That was an immediate consequence, and may be the most unpleasant consequence he receives.

But, overall I would have said the opposite. Chris was very worked up for a while after the incident, and viewed any consequences as part of the same oppression. His rants after seemed to indicate he didn't really separate blarms/manajerks/jerkops/jail fully in his mind.

Now he seems to have reflected a little more. According to @Marvin he is fairly contrite about the whole thing. Apparently the lesson he learned is too specific and doesn't have to do with respecting authority. Respecting authority is a tough lesson to teach anyone, because it is such a general and nebulous concept. But if we are lucky it extends a little beyond pepperspray to escalating conflicts or things that would cause physical harm. If he continues to be a nuisance and have a series of conflicts and bans, it doesn't strike me as the end of the world. This is really the first time he seriously escalated that conflict, and he got slapped down immediately and learned he can't do that.

The learning of that lesson seems to have been a result of the months of fear and uncertainty. Time where he is forced to consider what he did. In terms of lesson learning, the lengthy delays seem to be a net benefit.

Suppose he had gotten a two week sentence right away. Two weeks after he was still fairly bitter and defiant. Jail might have just amplified that. But now he seems to have learned the lesson. In terms of teaching Chris, a little slap on the wrist, followed by a few months of a much bigger punishment looming seems to have been fairly effective. Regardless of whether the big punishment ends up happening.

 

[Lipitor]

Well he did spend 3 days in jail immediately afterward. That was an immediate consequence, and may be the most unpleasant consequence he receives.

But, overall I would have said the opposite. Chris was very worked up for a while after the incident, and viewed any consequences as part of the same oppression. His rants after seemed to indicate he didn't really separate blarms/manajerks/jerkops/jail fully in his mind.

Now he seems to have reflected a little more. According to @Marvin he is fairly contrite about the whole thing. Apparently the lesson he learned is too specific and doesn't have to do with respecting authority. Respecting authority is a tough lesson to teach anyone, because it is such a general and nebulous concept. But if we are lucky it extends a little beyond pepperspray to escalating conflicts or things that would cause physical harm. If he continues to be a nuisance and have a series of conflicts and bans, it doesn't strike me as the end of the world. This is really the first time he seriously escalated that conflict, and he got slapped down immediately and learned he can't do that.

The learning of that lesson seems to have been a result of the months of fear and uncertainty. Time where he is forced to consider what he did. In terms of lesson learning, the lengthy delays seem to be a net benefit.

Suppose he had gotten a two week sentence right away. Two weeks after he was still fairly bitter and defiant. Jail might have just amplified that. But now he seems to have learned the lesson. In terms of teaching Chris, a little slap on the wrist, followed by a few months of a much bigger punishment looming seems to have been fairly effective. Regardless of whether the big punishment ends up happening.

I think Chris was initially scared, but now that he thinks he's getting off with no punishment he thinks the courts agree with him that he was innocent. He is just getting probation, that means nothing to Chris. He literally thinks the court agrees with him cuz they accepted his autism pass.

 

[AnOminous]

I think Chris was initially scared, but now that he thinks he's getting off with no punishment he thinks the courts agree with him that he was innocent. He is just getting probation, that means nothing to Chris. He literally thinks the court agrees with him cuz they accepted his autism pass.

It costs a shit-ton of money by Chris's standards to be on probation and will cut into the tugboat significantly. There's no way he'll take being forced to pay money as anything other than a screaming injustice and kicking the autistic.

 

[That Guy]

I wonder if the sentence will take away the tugboat or otherwise alter it? Does the court system factor being on disability into their final ruling?

 

[AnOminous]

I wonder if the sentence will take away the tugboat or otherwise alter it? Does the court system factor being on disability into their final ruling?

We've gone into this before. It only interrupts it if it's more than 30 (continuous) days. Payments resume upon release. Only if the incarceration exceeds 12 months does it actually terminate benefits and require reapplying.

A competent attorney will take this into consideration when pleading and bring it to the attention of the judge. In a close call situation, the judge will quite often make sure the term is just under rather than just over an important number of days like that.

 

[Betachu]

Has anyone ever gotten a real picture of Clyde?

 

[That Guy]

Has anyone ever gotten a real picture of Clyde?

Ya here he is.

Spoiler

 

[timtommy]

I wonder if the sentence will take away the tugboat or otherwise alter it? Does the court system factor being on disability into their final ruling?

Courts can take a lot of stuff into account when sentencing, particularly for medium level shit which is beyond a speeding ticket but not worth years in prison.

Chris' autism, his "caring for his mother", his SSDI, his gender issues, etc. are all things which are likely to be considered, even if just briefly by a judge. It will affect how his sentence is weighted between jail time, fines, community service, probation, and counselling.

The court doesn't want to ruin Chris' life, but they also want to strongly discourage him from re-offending. But they also don't particularly give a hoot because they have a lot of shit on their plate, a lot of which is much more serious than Chris' crimes.

 

[Lipitor]

Courts can take a lot of stuff into account when sentencing, particularly for medium level shit which is beyond a speeding ticket but not worth years in prison.

Chris' autism, his "caring for his mother", his SSDI, his gender issues, etc. are all things which are likely to be considered, even if just briefly by a judge. It will affect how his sentence is weighted between jail time, fines, community service, probation, and counselling.

The court doesn't want to ruin Chris' life, but they also want to strongly discourage him from re-offending. But they also don't particularly give a hoot because they have a lot of shit on their plate, a lot of which is much more serious than Chris' crimes.

They also realize sending chris to jail will cause them more problems then its worth. They just wanna make sure he gets into re-tard daycare and see what happens from there. While chris isn't actually repentant in his own little world, he sure is convincing that he's scared shit less in court. As long as he stays outta trouble he'll get a slap on the wrist. All probation means to chris is someone he gets to sperg put to. It's not a I have to take off work, tell my employer why, feel this looming over my head thing it would be for a nonautistic person. He genuinely sees the probable consequences of this as no big deal.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Is Chunky still scared of the court?

The first few times he went in he looked scared shitless but last time he seemed a lot more relaxed an casual about it.

 

[Marvin]

Is Chunky still scared of the court?

The first few times he went in he looked scared shitless but last time he seemed a lot more relaxed an casual about it.

Probably because it's taking so long, Chris is a lot less concerned about the charges nowadays.

 

[Lipitor]

Is Chunky still scared of the court?

The first few times he went in he looked scared shitless but last time he seemed a lot more relaxed an casual about it.

The lawyer told him what to expect.... a slap on the wrist. Christian literally doesn't give a shit if he's on probation. That means less than a ban to him.

 

[MMX]

Was there ever an explanation for CWCs "wristwatch" call out video ?