Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Mariposa Electrique]

I think Chris has experienced things in life that are a result of gender. I don't think he thinks hard enough to ask himself "what does this mean?" He's not very introspective naturally.

However if you've got endless patience, you can probably talk Chris through his emotions and piece together something approximating awareness with him.

Heh, like Vivian had long chats with Chris trying to explain higher level concepts to him. And you can see her frustration as she goes around in circles trying to explain it to him. Chats like that are a little more productive in phone calls, but they're still long and tedious.

Like I'm sure Chris has experienced a lifetime of complex interactions that have taught him: men are different from women. But I don't think he has the awareness to pick apart why they're different, aside from the most juvenile ideas like "men are mean, women are nice".

That's what I'm saying. Chris is aware there's something funny going on, but he has no clue why, and furthermore, without some sort of motivation (like punishments), he has no reason to pursue the topic in any great detail.

I guess that's kind of my point. Chris Tomgirlism did not happen in a bubble. He didn't just become a tranny and dislike men, the two issues are not exclusive to eachother.
So, he's not a fem tranny like Blair White or childhood/teen transitioners, who were all probably feminized in utero. He also wasn't a sexually abused homosetual, so there's no other foundational basis for Chris' trannydom apart from his black and white thinking and gross sexuality. Oh, and his terrible relationship with his parents. These are all things that can probably cured with proper therapy.

 

[Marvin]

I guess that's kind of my point. Chris Tomgirlism did not happen in a bubble. He didn't just become a tranny and dislike men, the two issues are not exclusive to eachother.
So, he's not a fem tranny like Blair White or childhood/teen transitioners, who were all probably feminized in utero. He also wasn't a sexually abused homosetual, so there's no other foundational basis for Chris' trannydom apart from his black and white thinking and gross sexuality.

Perhaps gender dysphoria is a symptom of autism in some situations.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Perhaps gender dysphoria is a symptom of autism in some situations.

Maybe in a shirt storm like Chris' life, but I think it could be a different type, as outlined by that famous psych, who observed a bunch of troons.

 

[LoveYouLongTime]

That was a troll request. Note what I said here:

Normally, everyone just bombards Chris with insults all of the time. "You're fat" "You've got a bent penis" "You're ugly"

It takes a lot for Chris to feel personally attacked by insults like these because he doesn't perceive those criticisms himself. Chris doesn't look in the mirror and see ugly. He sees, idk, a person? He's got a nose. He's got two eyes. Now, he notices maybe that some people are more attractive than others, but honestly, unless there's something dramatic like a big boil or scar or some shit, he can't really see "ugly". He sees cute (and has no clue why) and then a whole lot of normal.

Same thing for the bent duck.

Now, when we had Chris draw his penis, we tried something different. What if you took one of Chris' flaws and tried to sell it to him as a positive thing? Like "oh yeah, Chris, you fat piece of shit, I want to see your fat gut!" Or as Ivy did "oh, I love your broken crooked dick, let's see it! trace it for me on the paper! you have to put it right on the paper Chris! and don't leave out the bend!"

Would Chris suddenly notice his flaws?

Turns out... not really. I mean, Chris knows he's a little chubby. But he can't tell where on the number line of fat he sits. Is he 400 pounds, can't get out of bed fat? Or is he just a little chubby?

Likewise, with the bent duck, he knows that curved dicks exist. He's seen them in porn exist. But how bad is he? I mean, he's not sporting a fishhook down there, so, how bad is it? Honestly, Chris can't tell.

Now what he did do (both with Jessica Quinn and Ivy) was go along with it. As long as it gets the girl off, Chris really doesn't give a shit.

There was no change in attitude. Chris was never particularly proud of his penis for its own sake.

Chris is a salesman. He'll say anything and everything to make a sale. Chris isn't particularly proud of his body because he finds his body attractive. The thought of being prideful of his body would never enter his brain if he didn't think he had something he could use as a bargaining chip with women. Heh, remember, he had to memorize how he looked in the mirror. If Chris didn't bother wearing his clown shirts, I bet he wouldn't be able to recognize himself in group photographs.

Remember there were times he had moments of almost self awareness? And I say almost generously. He asked me a handful of times if he was attractive or if he was ugly. Like he was aware enough that there might be a reason why he can't seem to attract a boyfriend free girl. The most clarity I can remember him having about his appearance is that he had man boobs and was self conscious about them flopping around if he jogged.

 

[Marvin]

Remember there were times he had moments of almost self awareness? And I say almost generously. He asked me a handful of times if he was attractive or if he was ugly. Like he was aware enough that there might be a reason why he can't seem to attract a boyfriend free girl. The most clarity I can remember him having about his appearance is that he had man boobs and was self conscious about them flopping around if he jogged.

Heh, yeah, I was thinking about that.

"... wait... am I ugly? well, that can't be, even my mother says I'm handsome!"

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

dults can present with it, too. You mention the hormones like it's a hard rule of nature, but people develop at their own paces. Chris was prescribed by a professional. That's about as legit as it gets.

LOL, informed consent clinics are hardly legit. Anyone can go in and say, I feel like a girl, and they'll shower you with ineffective horse piss pills. I say ineffective because just look at Chris, we've seen no changes except for weight gain. That fat is not a cocoon ready to transform him into Black Chyna or Amber Rose.

Remember there were times he had moments of almost self awareness? And I say almost generously. He asked me a handful of times if he was attractive or if he was ugly. Like he was aware enough that there might be a reason why he can't seem to attract a boyfriend free girl. The most clarity I can remember him having about his appearance is that he had man boobs and was self conscious about them flopping around if he jogged.

To me, that's another contributing factor to Chris' shitty Tomgirlism. Instead of putting in hard work to maybe lose some weight and stay off the Internet, he chose to read too much into his not being able to live up to standards of masculinity. To me, Chris has more self-awareness than he lets on, he just chooses to ignore it letting his slow processing speed take over as an alternative to real self-improvement.

What really gets to me is how trolls have gone so easy on Chris compared to the past. It's almost as if they're falling for the "Love is Love", "I'm a female soul garbage".

 

[The American Hedgehog]

LOL, informed consent clinics are hardly legit.

Then what would be a legitimate source for people to receive hormone therapy?

I say ineffective because just look at Chris, we've seen no changes except for weight gain.

The effectiveness of the hormones is a separate subject from whether he has dysphoria.

 

[Marvin]

To me, Chris has more self-awareness than he lets on, he just chooses to ignore it letting his slow processing speed take over as an alternative to real self-improvement.

If he doesn't process it, can you really describe his actions as "choos[ing] to ignore it"?

Chris can't make decisions he's not aware of.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Then what would be a legitimate source for people to receive hormone therapy?

3-6 months of real psychotherapy and then treatment from an endocrinologist with experience in M2F hormone therapy.
Also an inventory of your life and screening for mental illness would be performed, but that would prohibit Chris from obtaining titty skittlez. With legit tranny professionals, if you can't separate your gender dysphoria from autism or larger mental disorders, you can't get titty skittlez!

If he doesn't process it, can you really describe his actions as "choos[ing] to ignore it"?

Chris can't make decisions he's not aware of.

Even at loveyoulongtime said, he was aware, and talked to her a bunch of times about it. He even disliked the way his non-existent titties shook when he jogged, now that was truly an original moment of dysphoria or uneasiness Chris had with his body.

The effectiveness of the hormones is a separate subject from whether he has dysphoria.

Actually, no it's not, if you have gender dysphoria and see no changes, like Chris, then you could kill yourself or see another doctor about things.

 

[Marvin]

Even at loveyoulongtime said, he was aware, and talked to her a bunch of times about it. He even disliked the way his non-existent titties shook when he jogged, now that was truly an original moment of dysphoria or uneasiness Chris had with his body.

The awareness she's talking about him is the same awareness I'm talking about.

It was very rare, but once in awhile, you'd lead Chris into a conversation where you can almost hear the cogs turning in his head. It's funny because it demonstrates how unaware he is most of the time. You have to lead Chris into a situation where the conclusion is so obvious even he has to notice it. It's like watching paint dry, it takes so long. ".... wait... what?" Chris says after a 30 second pause.

Chris' dysphoria towards his penis is very severe compared to him being uncomfortable with his manboobs jiggling.

 

[The American Hedgehog]

psychotherapy

He consulted someone specializing in gender issues a couple years back. The proof of which is that he obtained a driver's license that identifies him as female and that required a professional to sign a form about it.

Actually, no it's not, if you have gender dysphoria and see no changes, like Chris, then you could kill yourself or see another doctor about things.

Do you mean the anguish of not transitioning like he hopes will make him suicidal or that the hormone therapy is ineffective and is damaging his health?

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

He consulted someone specializing in gender issues a couple years back. The proof of which is that he obtained a driver's license that identifies him as female and that required a professional to sign a form about it.

As was discussed before, the bastardized talk therapy that passes for a real mental health screening/psychotherapy is as legitimate as the informed consent clinics. This was the same therapist that Chris no longer attends, and it's also the same therapist who according to a troll called Chris "beautiful". It's like the difference between a certified chanel bag and a chanel knock off. It may do the job at a topical glance, but once you try to put it on the market people (like myself) are going to pick it apart until it's finally revealed as a cheap fraud and bad replication at that.

 

[Marvin]

As was discussed before, the bastardized talk therapy that passes for a real mental health screening/psychotherapy is as legitimate as the informed consent clinics. This was the same therapist that Chris no longer attends, and it's also the same therapist who according to a troll called Chris "beautiful". It's like the difference between a certified chanel bag and a chanel knock off. It may do the job at a topical glance, but once you try to put it on the market people (like myself) are going to pick it apart until it's finally revealed as a cheap fraud and bad replication at that.

Regarding the therapist, are you talking about the woman who said Chris "deserved a vagina" or someone else? (Comparably bullshit of course, but that woman wasn't an actual professional and couldn't vouch for his gender stuff in a medical capacity.)

 

[LeeSydePanda]

I don't follow this Cow but can someone tell me if Chris is male or female? I'm legitimately confused.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/3-23-18-trespass-after-forbidden-charge.40933/ States Chris is a female but so many people call him/her a male.

 

[CWCissey]

I don't follow this Cow but can someone tell me if Chris is male or female? I'm legitimately confused.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/3-23-18-trespass-after-forbidden-charge.40933/ States Chris is a female but so many people call him/her a male.

Legally, Chris is female as he got his driving licence and shit changed.

Biologically and physically Chris is male as just look at him.

 

[Marvin]

I don't follow this Cow but can someone tell me if Chris is male or female? I'm legitimately confused.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/3-23-18-trespass-after-forbidden-charge.40933/ States Chris is a female but so many people call him/her a male.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/offic...-and-chris-gender-discussion-megathread.6283/

 

[Mr. 0]

States Chris is a female but so many people call him/her a male.

those people that call him female probably donate to his patreon and support him defrauding the state and not getting thrown in prison

they stupid

 

[Mr. 0]

Barb has enough loose, pruny skin that Chris can wear her right now without her having to be dead.

They can become one while she still lives.

 

[timtommy]

Does Chris legitimately have gender dysphoria or did he really just come out as trans in an autistic attempt to score some china? I personally think it's a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. If he really does have dysphoria it's a pretty mild case.

As you say it is likely to be a middle ground, for example, Chris believes he has gender dysphoria, but he doesn't really.

There are a couple hypothetical tests:

If Chris was given some sort of truth serum, would he say that he really thought of himself as a woman? I think he would, or at least say that he wanted to be a woman, or that his tomgirlism was a truthful reflection of some part of him.

If Chris were given intensive therapy, and he participated fully and with an open mind, would both him and the therapist come out of it thinking he had gender dysphoria? I think this is not particularly likely, but not impossible.

To pull some numbers out of my ass, I think that there is a:
15% chance that Chris has a legitimate case of gender dysphoria.

65% chance that Chris has a number of other psychological issues, to do with his autism, his relationship with his parents, being bullied growing up, having difficulty relating to other people, etc. that have manifested themselves in him believing he should be a woman.

20% chance that Chris knows he isn't really a woman in any deeper sense, but legitimately enjoys dressing and acting like how he thinks women dress and act.

<1% chance that the whole thing is a fake designed to get attention or China and that he doesn't enjoy it anymore than he enjoyed sitting around holding attraction signs, but uses it as a means to an end.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

As you say it is likely to be a middle ground, for example, Chris believes he has gender dysphoria, but he doesn't really.

There are a couple hypothetical tests:

If Chris was given some sort of truth serum, would he say that he really thought of himself as a woman? I think he would, or at least say that he wanted to be a woman, or that his tomgirlism was a truthful reflection of some part of him.

If Chris were given intensive therapy, and he participated fully and with an open mind, would both him and the therapist come out of it thinking he had gender dysphoria? I think this is not particularly likely, but not impossible.

To pull some numbers out of my ass, I think that there is a:
15% chance that Chris has a legitimate case of gender dysphoria.

65% chance that Chris has a number of other psychological issues, to do with his autism, his relationship with his parents, being bullied growing up, having difficulty relating to other people, etc. that have manifested themselves in him believing he should be a woman.

20% chance that Chris knows he isn't really a woman in any deeper sense, but legitimately enjoys dressing and acting like how he thinks women dress and act.

<1% chance that the whole thing is a fake designed to get attention or China and that he doesn't enjoy it anymore than he enjoyed sitting around holding attraction signs, but uses it as a means to an end.

I think part of it is autism and how he was raised. He was raised on TV, where the house wife just sits at home and watches TV all day while the husband works. Chris is a lazy ass, so he wants the woman to go to work while he sits at home and plays vidya. He also was (likely) called a "fag" and "gay" a lot from other boys as a kid, so he has associated men and dicks as bad. So thus, he wants to be a woman