Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[thegooddoctor]

Chris is both victim and abuser. Chris is indeed a childish, gullible autistic adult but he's also a manipulative, abusive, entitled asshole. He didn't deserve to have someone trying to manipulate him into killing himself, but neither did Barb (as much as I have a hard time feeling sorry for her), Snyder and Megan, to name a few, deserve what he did to them. This doesn't change the fact that his life is a tragic one: his dreams will never realize themselves, in no small part due to his own feats and nature!

The one I feel the most for is Bob. He was a flawed man, but he still loved Chris dearly and tried his best, no matter how wrong his ways were. The wheels of this tragedy were put in motion way before he died, but as long as Bob lived he would act as the brakes to this train crash!


As long as Barb is part of the equation, Chris is fucked. A good deal of his worse traits, such as being a manipulative, narcissistic asshole, come from her influence. If Chris were humbler, he would probably find himself a wallflower and live a happy life. There's always going to be someone who is mean to the mentally handicapped, it takes patience to deal with them and their own peculiarities, but if Chris had a nicer, friendly personality and a better degree of self-sufficiency he would probably fare much better in life, even as the village idiot of Ruckersville!

Interesting,where do you and all you guys here think is the tipping point in history from Chris being a possibly stupid and gross but possibly sympathetic person with a condition to a full blown hateable, narcissistic douchebag. His true ‘crossing the line’ moment. For me it was honestly all the way back to the 2011 Michael Snyder incident. That finally ripped me off Chris really was just a full blown jerkass who only cares about himself and could be seriously dangerous if he had the power or competence to carry out his actions.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I still think Chris could be saved if he was forced to experience a period of suffering where only his own actions could stop the suffering. Drop him alone in the wilderness with a small survival kit and a guidebook on how to survive. Pick an area without large predators so he doesn't get eaten. He has a lot of fat so he'll survive a fair while. Keep him under discreet surveillance so you can rescue him from death (but not from pain). He will almost certainly get there at some point.

Then inform him that the next time he misbehaves, back to the wilderness he goes.

Chris does what he wants because he does not fear consequences on a basic, instinctual level. He can dislike the idea of consequences intellectually, but he's retarded so he doesn't think, so negative repercussions that don't involve pain or fear have no effect.

He used to fear jail/prison back during the Snyder incident, but he's been in for enough short stints that he no longer fears it, and you can tell that from how unperturbed he was during his incest arrest. He knows that jail is basically like living at home but without the toys.

But if he had something that he genuinely, truly feared, that made his lizard brain recoil, that might create real change in behavior.

 

[eDove]

The strongest evidence that Chris wasn’t molested is that Bard and Bob wild have absolutely loved playing that card every chance they could get

Isn't that speculation, though? I could see a kid having an uncomfortable encounter with an adult and keeping it a secret — I recognize that's speculative also, but Chris is so retarded I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't understand the gravity of the situation and chalked it up to merely being an "offensive" moment. He could've been restrained by a principal he hated and interpreted it as something more sinister too.

I want to reiterate that I'm not defending Chris whatsoever. I've just seen morsels of evidence that he could've, maybe, been accosted at one of these schools. It is, unfortunately, not that uncommon.

 

[mudwogg]

Is there information regarding the state of Chris' personal belongings in 14 Branchland Court? could they have been dumped? donated?

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I'd love to get a handle on the way Chris prices things in his head, I know a lot of it is I want X it cost Y so I'll sell X for Y no haggle. But he seems to over value a lot of stuff and not in a innocent "I was told this was valuable so I'll ask so much for it", but like the Porn he tried to sell was bizarrely priced.

as he likes spelling names backwards.

I only recently found this out but that's apparently Sonic related, bad guys tend to have there name spelled backwards as part of a curse or something.

There's a line in Sonichu where Chris tells a mall cop something like "The only male I listen to is my father!" that had me thinking, "Yeah, that's going to work out great for you."

IRC he said this in person to a jerkop in the Mall when he was getting booted out by security it was something like "The only males I listen to are myself and my father".

The irony being that Chris never listened to Bob, and here we are. Whatever is stated in the CWCki on Chris' relationship with Bob is only the tip of the autistic iceberg. To be a fly on the hoarded walls of 14 BLC witnessing how Bob and Chris' relationship really was.

I think Chris did listen to Bob but never too anything onboard unless he liked the idea or it fitted in with what he already believed or wanted to believe, I think Chris had a sorta complex relationship with Bob he loved him but he wasn't close to him and the relationship he had with him deteriorated once the pair of them where reunited with Barb.

True. Look at Chris' history of trespassing/loitering. Chris has been told not to do it; Chris ignores it, and gets detained. Chris has a history of shoplifting/kleptomania (more the latter than former). I don't know if Chris' parents found out he was stealing from them, but I doubt they would've done anything to stop him. After the incest, Chris stole from his mom via bank transfer.

Chris is the sort of guy I'd call sticky fingers, he has no problem with theft especially when he thinks he can get away with it but he's also the kind of person who'd nick something by accident buy picking something up forgetting to put it down and just walking out the shop with it.

Having said that he seems to be OK taking money from Bob and Barb, and I am wondering if that's because he thinks he has a right to it or if he justifies at like he did recently with a "Well I'll pay it back" and he never quite get's around to it or only pays back a bit before stopping.

 

[Raiken]

The only thing that sounds in the distance as him getting mollested is when he talked about getting tied down while they recorded his screams.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I still think Chris could be saved if he was forced to experience a period of suffering where only his own actions could stop the suffering. Drop him alone in the wilderness with a small survival kit and a guidebook on how to survive. Pick an area without large predators so he doesn't get eaten. He has a lot of fat so he'll survive a fair while. Keep him under discreet surveillance so you can rescue him from death (but not from pain). He will almost certainly get there at some point.

Then inform him that the next time he misbehaves, back to the wilderness he goes.

Chris does what he wants because he does not fear consequences on a basic, instinctual level. He can dislike the idea of consequences intellectually, but he's retarded so he doesn't think, so negative repercussions that don't involve pain or fear have no effect.

He used to fear jail/prison back during the Snyder incident, but he's been in for enough short stints that he no longer fears it, and you can tell that from how unperturbed he was during his incest arrest. He knows that jail is basically like living at home but without the toys.

But if he had something that he genuinely, truly feared, that made his lizard brain recoil, that might create real change in behavior.

I know this doesn't count, but I felt Chris' Ohio trip was somewhat of a wilderness experiment. When he came back, all Borb told him was "do it again, and we'll change the locks." Given that Chris was an adult, he was free to do as he pleased, but since his parents still coddled him and handled him with kid gloves, there was no way Chris would change and devolve into the thing he is today.

I mentioned this before, but it would have been a boon to Chris if Bob co-leased an apartment for him in Charlottesville just to teach him how to live alone. But Chris being Chris, Bob could trust him to do that for fear Chris will fuck up, or get harassed by the trolls.

It's funny after the incest, Null had advised Chris to stay in the van just for the night, and Chris thought "better idea: I'll take money from my mom/sexual abuse victim to stay in a cushy hotel." Chris would never survive in a wilderness scenario.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I know this doesn't count, but I felt Chris' Ohio trip was somewhat of a wilderness experiment.

Not in the least. Chris didn't know cold. Chris didn't know hunger. Chris didn't know personal injury. The most discomfort he had was napping in his car. He had money to eat at McDonalds.

Chris has never once had to suffer physically in life. He got smacked by a kid on the school bus once, and he has been held down once at school and once by jerkops, but they didn't kick the shit out of him.

I have a feeling that Chris learning to actually truly fear pain, or fear for his life, it might actually change his behavior. That kind of fear doesn't need advanced cognition. That's why it works on animals.

Hunger, real hunger that Chris has never experienced, somewhere where there are no stores or restaurants, is something that teaches responsibility. Chris could benefit from that too.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Isn't that speculation, though? I could see a kid having an uncomfortable encounter with an adult and keeping it a secret — I recognize that's speculative also, but Chris is so retarded I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't understand the gravity of the situation and chalked it up to merely being an "offensive" moment. He could've been restrained by a principal he hated and interpreted it as something more sinister too.

I want to reiterate that I'm not defending Chris whatsoever. I've just seen morsels of evidence that he could've, maybe, been accosted at one of these schools. It is, unfortunately, not that uncommon.

So in that scenario, the school tells the Chandlers that an incident happened, knowing that the reality was molestation. The Chandlers try to take vague legal action, never alleging molestation either?

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Not in the least. Chris didn't know cold. Chris didn't know hunger. Chris didn't know personal injury. The most discomfort he had was napping in his car. He had money to eat at McDonalds.

Chris has never once had to suffer physically in life. He got smacked by a kid on the school bus once, and he has been held down once at school and once by jerkops, but they didn't kick the shit out of him.

I have a feeling that Chris learning to actually truly fear pain, or fear for his life, it might actually change his behavior. That kind of fear doesn't need advanced cognition. That's why it works on animals.

Hunger, real hunger that Chris has never experienced, somewhere where there are no stores or restaurants, is something that teaches responsibility. Chris could benefit from that too.

Knowing that he rapidly reaching 40,and that a majority of his life has been living in spoiled squalor, living like an animal would suit him. Would it be too late to change his behavior? Only time will tell.

 

[I swear she's 18]

The irony being that Chris never listened to Bob, and here we are. Whatever is stated in the CWCki on Chris' relationship with Bob is only the tip of the autistic iceberg. To be a fly on the hoarded walls of 14 BLC witnessing how Bob and Chris' relationship really was.

In the eyes of a child. Mother is God.

He "respected" Bob because as a child. Bob had authority over Chris. If Chris didn't listen? No games for him and there's nothing Chris could physically do. Chris, being the idiot he is, never challenged this authority (good thing) and with it being so engrained into his psyche always had the fear of Bob in him.

Bob after all is the only person who pushed Chris to do anything. We can see with every interaction that Bob talked to Chris in a demanding way. Not harshly, but probably old fashion "man to man".

When Bob walked in during the "I'm working on it!" Video. Chris chan went from tard raging to immediately on the defense and silent. Chris didn't aggressively talk back and he didn't say no to Bob. You could see and hear the fear in Chris' voice.

Another example is during his mass debating in the kitchen. Bob commanded the scene and he forced Chris off the computer.

It's safe to say the least Chris feared Bob because Bob was confrontational and he pushed Chris for the better. Chris only liked his father imo as that's how families are supposed to be. However, it's probably more so that Bob enabled Chris (be it games, toys, or time) so like a dog Chris did what his father willed in order to get what he wanted.

 

[eDove]

So in that scenario, the school tells the Chandlers that an incident happened, knowing that the reality was molestation. The Chandlers try to take vague legal action, never alleging molestation either?

But the Chandlers likely did press charges on these grounds. In regards to the Principal, Chris said this:

"He picked me up, set me on his lap, then I would always get off his lap, because I ALWAYS HATED that; I felt bad vibes back then. Fortunately, it has never gone beyond that, and my father caught his intentions on that, and the Court Battles Started."

He goes on to say that Bob always believed there were homos in that school and that he suspected they were preying on his son. Then there's the 2009 video I was talking about previously.

"I actually do have a past story as I have realized from repressed memories back from the Greene County days. But I will not go further than that 'cause y'all would have a field day and try and twist it into your own evil ways, so.... I'm straight, and nothing is going to change that."

He had no reason to mention this other than to take ownership of his sexuality for the billionth time. He was terrified of being turned gay in part, I think, due to this experience he never elaborates on.

Personally, I believe it happened but that it went no further than being forced to sit on the Principal's lap. Bob and Barb stepped in before something serious could happen, but that could still fuck a little kid up even if it didn't go anywhere.

 

[thegooddoctor]

The only thing that sounds in the distance as him getting mollested is when he talked about getting tied down while they recorded his screams.

Even to this day, do you think that actually happened? He does have an unusual attachment to that particular event, it was not some one of thing he has buried, he still mentions it being traumatic and one of the worst experiences of his childhood well over 25 years later. Something that has that much of an impact for that long usually isn’t fake or small. Maybe something truly horrible really did happen on that day and it may explain why Chris became the person he was to some degree. It’s a stretch, put do you think it’s possible and Chris was telling the truth?

 

[Hogar Grupal]

In the eyes of a child. Mother is God.

He "respected" Bob because as a child. Bob had authority over Chris. If Chris didn't listen? No games for him and there's nothing Chris could physically do. Chris, being the idiot he is, never challenged this authority (God thing) and with it being so engrained into his psyche always had the fear of Bob in him.

Bob after all is the only person who pushed Chris to do anything. We can see with every interaction that Bob talked to Chris in a demanding way. Not harshly, but probably old fashion "man to man".

When Bob walked in during the "I'm working on it!" Video. Chris chan went from tard raging to immediately on the defense and silent. Chris didn't aggressively talk back and he didn't say no to Bob. You could see and hear the fear in Chris' voice.

Another example is during his mass debating in the kitchen. Bob commanded the scene and he forced Chris off the computer.

It's safe to say the least Chris feared Bob because Bob was confrontational and he pushed Chris for the better. Chris only liked his father imo as that's how families are supposed to be. However, it's probably more so that Bob enabled Chris (be it games, toys, or time) so like a dog Chris did what his father willed in order to get what he wanted.

Personally, I'm just trying to think if Chris respected Bob so much, why continue with the autistic antics? I'm pretty sure Bob told him not to loiter in the mall, which Chris did anyway. Why didn't Bob cut the internet if he knew Chris was messing around. Bob would've told Chris to take a hike, or take Chris to more trips in and out of the state of VA. But Chris would come back and do what he does best - get in trouble. Sure, Bob did instill fear that Chris had to abide by, but it wasn't enough to get Chris off the internet or change his personal negative habits.

 

[I swear she's 18]

Personally, I believe it happened but that it went no further than being forced to sit on the Principal's lap. Bob and Barb stepped in before something serious could happen, but that could still fuck a little kid up even if it didn't go anywhere.

This was in elementary so the principal probably treated Chris like you would a baby. Sitting Chris on his lap trying to calm/cheer him. Hence the recording so that if the Chandlers did want to take it court. They covered their own ass and give them a big fuck you. As well as evidence Chris needs to go to special Ed

but it wasn't enough to get Chris off the internet or change his personal negative habits.

Just because you respect someone doesn't mean you'll listen. Chris is a conniving and impulsive liar. He does whatever he wants because he can. The only time Chris ever shows humility or defeat is as a last resort in order to get/bargain what he wants. Bob did his hardest, but there's so much you can do at 50+. It's ofc all for nothing because Barb is the reason why Chris came out this way. One parent tells you no? Just run to the other; Simple.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Even to this day, do you think that actually happened? He does have an unusual attachment to that particular event, it was not some one of thing he has buried, he still mentions it being traumatic and one of the worst experiences of his childhood well over 25 years later. Something that has that much of an impact for that long usually isn’t fake or small. Maybe something truly horrible really did happen on that day and it may explain why Chris became the person he was to some degree. It’s a stretch, put do you think it’s possible and Chris was telling the truth?

Chris's stories generally seem to always change over time, and get to the point where he completely warps around what happened in order to make himself look like the victim. How Michael Snyder leapt in front of his car and Chris and his mom both had no choice but to hit him, after Snyder "lured" Chris there pretending he wasn't running the store. Or the Too Many Games grope-a-thon being changed into poor innocent Chris getting "tricked by trolls". It seems to happen whenever Chris gets into trouble; he'll concoct some excuse about how it wasn't his fault.

With the Greene County deal, it seems like the molesting by a school full of homosexuals that were frightened of him because he had autism (but also couldn't keep their queer hands off that sweet tard booty) is going that way. That makes me think the entire thing was all his fault, and he had to come up with something to put himself back in the victim role. I doubt the molesting thing was something Borb cooked up because they seem the time that would have immediately gone to the police, especially if it would help their lawsuit. However, just the story of him "being held down and his screams recorded" does open a lot of questions, mostly ones that point fingers at Chris's behavior, so obviously Chris needs to do what he always does with these things, create fictional events that make the events get flipped on their heads so he comes out as the victim.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

And then he fucking twisted it the way only chris can do by forever associating Bob's final will with singing the fucking MLP theme song.

A small additional point, but it always chokes me...the way that Bob, in his letter, genuinely cared about making Sonichu something worthwhile not only for Chris but for others, but Chris just chortled and dismissed it.

 

[silentium]

Even to this day, do you think that actually happened? He does have an unusual attachment to that particular event, it was not some one of thing he has buried, he still mentions it being traumatic and one of the worst experiences of his childhood well over 25 years later. Something that has that much of an impact for that long usually isn’t fake or small. Maybe something truly horrible really did happen on that day and it may explain why Chris became the person he was to some degree. It’s a stretch, put do you think it’s possible and Chris was telling the truth?

Here's something interesting:
- Chris has a generally poor memory
- Chris has always had _issues_ seeing the connection between actions and consequences
- Strongly emotional memories are easier to recall but you generally only recall the sensations vividly, not the details

What likely happened is Chris had some severe outburst that made them physically restrain him to prevent him from harming himself or others. Yes, most likely not appropriate. But I think we can all agree that there's very little reason to assume it was done without provocation and out of sheer malice?

With the Greene County deal, it seems like the molesting by a school full of homosexuals that were frightened of him because he had autism (but also couldn't keep their queer hands off that sweet tard booty) is going that way. That makes me think the entire thing was all his fault, and he had to come up with something to put himself back in the victim role. I doubt the molesting thing was something Borb cooked up because they seem the time that would have immediately gone to the police, especially if it would help their lawsuit. However, just the story of him "being held down and his screams recorded" does open a lot of questions, mostly ones that point fingers at Chris's behavior, so obviously Chris needs to do what he always does with these things, create fictional events that make the events get flipped on their heads so he comes out as the victim.

Also this. Note how Chris always talks about that this happened but never what led up to it. No fucking way there wasn't a lead up to it occurring

 

[King Kiwi]

Most likely not. I'm subscribed to the theory that Chris sperged out about needing to spend 5 more months in jail and probably crashed into slumber over it.

And I can't even take slow traffic coming home.

I wonder what he's going to do if when he gets out.

You know I mean just in general; buy 50 cheeseburgers in ween money? Try to bone Barb? Go hang around in a park and scare children? Try to bone Barb?

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

When did this happen?

it wasn't exactly the theme song from MLP: FiM, but it was an extract from a song from that show. It happened during his Captain's Log reading of Bob's two letters to him.

https://sonichu.com/cwcki/CLog_09042017_-_Mister_C