Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Here's something interesting:
- Chris has a generally poor memory
- Chris has always had _issues_ seeing the connection between actions and consequences
- Strongly emotional memories are easier to recall but you generally only recall the sensations vividly, not the details

What likely happened is Chris had some severe outburst that made them physically restrain him to prevent him from harming himself or others. Yes, most likely not appropriate. But I think we can all agree that there's very little reason to assume it was done without provocation and out of sheer malice?


Also this. Note how Chris always talks about that this happened but never what led up to it. No fucking way there wasn't a lead up to it occurring

That's what I've said for a while, He was mid chimp and needed to be restrained for his own safety more than anything else, he's got a poor memory but he's been told it over and over again and was likely coached to not deviate from the version of events both Bob and Barb told him what happened.

And your right he never brings it up because he simply doesn't know what happened as he doesn't really recall the event, He recalls being told about the event and uses that as his memory of the event not the real occurrence.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

Chris also claims, IIRC, that it took at least four grown adults to hold him down while they taped his 'screams and cries of angerrrrrr!' in the fourth grade (according to the 'Moment With Dr Wolf' video). Yeah, four healthy adults to hold down one chubby nine-year-old boy. I'm calling at least a large portion of bullshit here.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Chris also claims, IIRC, that it took at least four grown adults to hold him down while they taped his 'screams and cries of angerrrrrr!' in the fourth grade (according to the 'Moment With Dr Wolf' video). Yeah, four healthy adults to hold down one chubby nine-year-old boy. I'm calling at least a large portion of bullshit here.

Chris has no concept of proportion when it comes to his strength, always qualifying it with making things sound herculean. I.E. "50 lb pack of soda" and Patti's doghouse weighing a literal ton in his words.

There may have been four adults holding chris down, one on each limb, back at Greene County but that may simply have been because four adults were around and not because four were actually needed.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

hat it took at least four grown adults to hold him down while they taped his 'screams and cries of angerrrrrr!' in the fourth grade (according to the 'Moment With Dr Wolf' video). Yeah, four healthy adults to hold down one chubby nine-year-old boy. I'm calling at least a large portion of bullshit here.

Yea that's an interesting way he phrased it and adds more credibility to my "He was mid chimp when he needed to be restrained" theory, as for the number of people involved I can see it being exadurated myself there was in the end when Bob got to the school 4 people involved in it - Principal and Teacher at first the ones who where doing the restraining, then maybe the secretary and nurse being called in after the fact.

The reason I can see it being 2 people if they are trying to do it firmly but gently one adult to hold his arms and another to hold his legs down because he would be likely struggling and thrashing his limbs around, the nurse getting called to check him over once he'd calmed down and the secretary staying close by after being told to call his home.

Rember when this happened Chris was 8 years old and barely verbal at this point, and I get the feeling this was around the time the school was pushing for him to go to a special needs school that Bob not that unreasonably due to his age thought it was going to be a institution of old and he didn't want that for Chris or the social stigma that was associated with it.

 

[silentium]

Chris also claims, IIRC, that it took at least four grown adults to hold him down while they taped his 'screams and cries of angerrrrrr!' in the fourth grade (according to the 'Moment With Dr Wolf' video). Yeah, four healthy adults to hold down one chubby nine-year-old boy. I'm calling at least a large portion of bullshit here.

Even if it's just a 9 year old, restraining somone who's actively resisting can lead to injury unless you have a lot of leverage. Look at how many people get injured from police arrests every year.

Add the fact that school teachers aren't exactly trained in that kind of stuff and also rightfully very careful about not hurting their charges and 4 adults holding down one limb each doesn't seem exactly unreasonable

 

[Skitterways]

Chris also claims, IIRC, that it took at least four grown adults to hold him down while they taped his 'screams and cries of angerrrrrr!' in the fourth grade (according to the 'Moment With Dr Wolf' video). Yeah, four healthy adults to hold down one chubby nine-year-old boy. I'm calling at least a large portion of bullshit here.

I tend to agree. Most public schools don't use passive physical restraint techniques. That is something usually used in acute care facilities until chemical restraints (that shot of Haldol + Valium in the butt) can be administered or the patient can be put in a seclusion room under continuous observation. Seclusion rooms have multiple, thick glass windows/walls and a staff member is assigned to watch that person continuously. Usually until the drugs administered take effect or the person becomes tired of acting out and agrees to a "safety plan".

Passive physical restraint of an adult usually requires 3 to 4 people. One on each arm (but not on a joint) and one to two on the legs (but not on a joint). Passive physical restraint is always supposed to be with the person on their back or sitting up so they still can have full lung expansion. Face down and side lying restraints are prohibited. Also anything crossing the person's chest, neck, face is prohibited. Common areas in most psych and even public school facilities are recorded on camera today. I don't know if Greene county schools were video taping students in the 1990s. I do know most acute care psych facilities were video recording common areas in the early 2000s.

 

[King Kiwi]

Even if it's just a 9 year old, restraining somone who's actively resisting can lead to injury unless you have a lot of leverage. Look at how many people get injured from police arrests every year.

Add the fact that school teachers aren't exactly trained in that kind of stuff and also rightfully very careful about not hurting their charges and 4 adults holding down one limb each doesn't seem exactly unreasonable

You have to hold down a child while also not hurting the child while also trying not to let the child hurt you while trying to get evidence that the child is violent but also wondering if the lawsuit will cost you your job and other financial detractors while also in the pit of your soul wondering if you're going to hell.

Yeah middle school education sure sounds great.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

it wasn't exactly the theme song from MLP: FiM, but it was an extract from a song from that show. It happened during his Captain's Log reading of Bob's two letters to him.

https://sonichu.com/cwcki/CLog_09042017_-_Mister_C

It's ben a while since I've seen that video.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

But the Chandlers likely did press charges on these grounds. In regards to the Principal, Chris said this:

"He picked me up, set me on his lap, then I would always get off his lap, because I ALWAYS HATED that; I felt bad vibes back then. Fortunately, it has never gone beyond that, and my father caught his intentions on that, and the Court Battles Started."

He goes on to say that Bob always believed there were homos in that school and that he suspected they were preying on his son. Then there's the 2009 video I was talking about previously.

"I actually do have a past story as I have realized from repressed memories back from the Greene County days. But I will not go further than that 'cause y'all would have a field day and try and twist it into your own evil ways, so.... I'm straight, and nothing is going to change that."

He had no reason to mention this other than to take ownership of his sexuality for the billionth time. He was terrified of being turned gay in part, I think, due to this experience he never elaborates on.

Personally, I believe it happened but that it went no further than being forced to sit on the Principal's lap. Bob and Barb stepped in before something serious could happen, but that could still fuck a little kid up even if it didn't go anywhere.

And there’s no record of this legal battle over these sensational child abuse accusations? The much, much more likely and reasonable explanation is that this principal is trying to calm down a nonverbal child who is absolutely going ape. It’s a huge leap to accuse an identifiable individual of molesting a child

 

[King Kiwi]

I think the real thing we're all wondering is: when are we going to hear from Chris again?

 

[A-№1]

Sounds like every rich kid i've known

Clogs to clogs in three generations.

His ego plays a big role in this. His narcissistic worldview often puts him in a position where he makes plenty of demands despite having no power at all over the other party, it would be cute or funny if he was doing this as a joke, but he's 100% serious when he does it!

Chris is more solipsistic than narcissistic.

Chris doesn't see other people as people. His perspective is the only perspective. It simply doesn't occur to him that they might value something differently than he does. Thus when he demands $10k for a busted up hoopty of a Z3, and people point out to him that its blue book value isn't even a third of that, he believes they know it's actually worth $10k (because that's what he wants for it) but are only offering a third of that because they are being mean to him and kicking the autistic.

I think there's something to that.

Chris suffers from NESS (Not Enough Spankings Syndrome).

he was kinda doomed from the start.

No. He wasn't.

Chris is a self made (not exactly a) man (but no longer a child).

there's no version of Chris that didn't stumble through life doing badly.

Go watch Rollin & Trollin. Chris understands the sort of person he could / should be. Chris is just to lazy to be that version of Chris.

I thought the family is part of the reason why barb got raped

Barb (and her family) are part of the reason why I'm unsure it really was rape.

Chris is awful. Barb is also awful.

he one I feel the most for is Bob. He was a flawed man,

Bob made two mistakes. He knocked up Barb, and he didn't walk the fuck away.

If Chris were humbler, he would probably find himself a wallflower

That's one of the things about Chris' Love Quest that few people here understand. Barb would NEVER permit such competition.

Note that it was Bob, not Barb, who chaperoned the Emily date.

Weep for the child that was, not for the man that he became.

Laugh at both of them.

I could see a kid having an uncomfortable encounter with an adult and keeping it a secret

Not Chris. He couldn't even keep fucking his mother (committed entirely within the confines and privacy of his own home) a secret.

I mentioned this before, but it would have been a boon to Chris if Bob co-leased an apartment for him

It would have been a boon to Chris if Bob really had changed the locks.

Helping Chris doesn't help him.

Chris has never once had to suffer physically in life.

The streets will take care of that.

not because four were actually needed.

One was needed to hold him down, and three were needed to act as witnesses.

Public schools have learned the hard way to always cover their asses.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

I think the real thing we're all wondering is: when are we going to hear from Chris again?

Chris might be writing letters that aren't being posted online. Or he could be depressed due to his next court date being so far off. I think he's done with Kengle. Maybe his lawyer has convinced him to stop writing incriminating letters.

If anyone is going to waste a stamp on Chris, I recommend thinking it through. Remember that you could get doxxed when he releases the Goddess Log, so use a PO box and fake name or something like that. And ask some interesting questions, not just stuff that will result in more boring religious ramblings.

 

[King Kiwi]

Chris might be writing letters that aren't being posted online. Or he could be depressed due to his next court date being so far off. I think he's done with Kengle. Maybe his lawyer has convinced him to stop writing incriminating letters.

If anyone is going to waste a stamp on Chris, I recommend thinking it through. Remember that you could get doxxed when he releases the Goddess Log, so use a PO box and fake name or something like that. And ask some interesting questions, not just stuff that will result in more boring religious ramblings.

Ask him if he changes his underwear.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

I tend to agree. Most public schools don't use passive physical restraint techniques. That is something usually used in acute care facilities until chemical restraints (that shot of Haldol + Valium in the butt) can be administered or the patient can be put in a seclusion room under continuous observation. Seclusion rooms have multiple, thick glass windows/walls and a staff member is assigned to watch that person continuously. Usually until the drugs administered take effect or the person becomes tired of acting out and agrees to a "safety plan".

Passive physical restraint of an adult usually requires 3 to 4 people. One on each arm (but not on a joint) and one to two on the legs (but not on a joint). Passive physical restraint is always supposed to be with the person on their back or sitting up so they still can have full lung expansion. Face down and side lying restraints are prohibited. Also anything crossing the person's chest, neck, face is prohibited. Common areas in most psych and even public school facilities are recorded on camera today. I don't know if Greene county schools were video taping students in the 1990s. I do know most acute care psych facilities were video recording common areas in the early 2000s.

One thing I recall reading is Chris's account when he was confronted at Target I think where the managers called the cops because of his sign and loitering, and Chris going into great detail on how many officers had to pin him down, and literally hog-tie and carry him out of the store.

If Chris in his early 20s needed multiple police officers to restrain him, and carry him out makes me believe he would absolutely chimp-out as a kid and need some physical restraints. Your account of schools not really knowing how to handle someone like that gives good evidence that Greene County couldn't handle someone like Chris (but could with the 19 other autistic students), thus strongly recommending to his parents that he be placed in a special school with people trained to handle people like him.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

One thing I recall reading is Chris's account when he was confronted at Target I think where the managers called the cops because of his sign and loitering, and Chris going into great detail on how many officers had to pin him down, and literally hog-tie and carry him out of the store.

If Chris in his early 20s needed multiple police officers to restrain him, and carry him out makes me believe he would absolutely chimp-out as a kid and need some physical restraints. Your account of schools not really knowing how to handle someone like that gives good evidence that Greene County couldn't handle someone like Chris (but could with the 19 other autistic students), thus strongly recommending to his parents that he be placed in a special school with people trained to handle people like him.

Two words: Tard strength. Even though he is pitifully out of shape, I've seen people who look small and frail need three attendants to hang on to them.

 

[catinasock]

Two words: Tard strength. Even though he is pitifully out of shape, I've seen people who look small and frail need three attendants to hang on to them.

he's got the weight to back it up. obese people are some of the strongest people naturally simply because they have to carry their fatasses around. he's like lennie from of mice and men, but less sympathetic

 

[Pickle Inspector]

One thing I recall reading is Chris's account when he was confronted at Target I think where the managers called the cops because of his sign and loitering, and Chris going into great detail on how many officers had to pin him down, and literally hog-tie and carry him out of the store.

If Chris in his early 20s needed multiple police officers to restrain him, and carry him out makes me believe he would absolutely chimp-out as a kid and need some physical restraints. Your account of schools not really knowing how to handle someone like that gives good evidence that Greene County couldn't handle someone like Chris (but could with the 19 other autistic students), thus strongly recommending to his parents that he be placed in a special school with people trained to handle people like him.

Maybe it was a legal thing back at his school and there where multiple people are present in case there’s any legal issues later on?

 

[A-№1]

Chris going into great detail on how many officers had to pin him down, and literally hog-tie and carry him out of the store.

I think it's more likely he went full rag doll, and, well, Chris is heavy.

Greene County couldn't handle someone like Chris

Or they simply didn't want to. I've always suspected Bob pulled Chris out of Nathaniel Greene Elementary because the alternative was expulsion. I have no proof of this, just a hunch given the dates.

Even though he is pitifully out of shape, I've seen people who look small and frail need three attendants to hang on to them.

Only because those attendants are doing everything they can to keep from hurting them. I've seen an under five foot man lead around an over six foot violent drunk like a puppy (dislocating said puppy's elbow and shoulder in the process).

Maybe it was a legal thing back at his school and there where multiple people are present in case there’s any legal issues later on?

Given how litigious Bob and Barb were, I would have to say yes. Some school districts go so far as to hire bus drivers full time just to be classroom witnesses for problem students when they're not driving. That's in addition to the classroom security cameras.

 

[Skitterways]

One thing I recall reading is Chris's account when he was confronted at Target I think where the managers called the cops because of his sign and loitering, and Chris going into great detail on how many officers had to pin him down, and literally hog-tie and carry him out of the store.

If Chris in his early 20s needed multiple police officers to restrain him, and carry him out makes me believe he would absolutely chimp-out as a kid and need some physical restraints. Your account of schools not really knowing how to handle someone like that gives good evidence that Greene County couldn't handle someone like Chris (but could with the 19 other autistic students), thus strongly recommending to his parents that he be placed in a special school with people trained to handle people like him.

There's a school near me specifically for moderate to severe autistic students. I know the staff is trained in passive physical restraint but my friend told me they very rarely use it. If a kid there is chronically flipping out, usually they are referred to a residential acute care facility like Cumberland for a few months for more intensive therapy and medication changes.
Oh wait....if Chris spazzed out that badly in his 20s after being told to leave Target, imagine how out of control he was as a little kid. The Institute of Autism in Charlottesville wasn't around until 1996 and that's a day program. Maybe Greene County wanted more than just special ed for Chris and recommended a place like Cumberland. There's a few facilities like Cumberland in Virginia and they've been around since the early 80s. A child would live and attend school there while in treatment for 4 to 6 months and then would be reintroduced into whatever appropriate program was at their zoned school. It's just speculation, but it might explain the Chandler's reaction.

 

[Skitterways]

Or they simply didn't want to. I've always suspected Bob pulled Chris out of Nathaniel Greene Elementary because the alternative was expulsion. I have no proof of this, just a hunch given the dates.

This. My adult autistic neighbor, the one that punches his mailbox and told me about Chris; was expelled from public school for his outbursts and several staff injuries. His parents were fighting with the public school system about placing him in a local school for autism because they felt he was too high functioning. Once he got expelled, the courts stated a condition of his parole was to attend that school and they relented.