Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[thegooddoctor]

I suppose I should go a bit further and explain the difference.

In both cases, the first offense was an "impossible crime". Impossible crimes are still crimes of intent. For instance if you try to pick a pocket but there's nothing in the pocket. The fact that the pocket was empty made it impossible to steal anything, but it was still entirely possible for the pocket to not be empty, and for you to steal something. Therefore even though the crime in this instance was impossible, you still had the intent to commit a possible crime.

The second offense is an "inherently impossible crime", where even if you execute your attempt with all of your actions playing out exactly as you imagined it, it would still be impossible. For instance, Chris' plan that his dimensional merge will kill billions of people in fire. Chris is not guilty of attempted genocide, because his entire plan is inherently impossible even if he executes it perfectly.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but would the same apply for people who have threatened or had strong threats or thoughts for potential crimes, yet have not acted upon them? The equivalent would be a person with predatory desires to sexually prey on underage teens, yet these were only thoughts that they had secretly told someone but were also saying they were doing all in their power not to act upon them? Can you convict someone who has expressed impotent yet still dangerous threats if they seemed unstable enough you feared they may act upon them? Would it just fall under antisocial behaviour crimes? What are the nuances?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but would the same apply for people who have threatened or had strong threats or thoughts for potential crimes, yet have not acted upon them? The equivalent would be a person with predatory desires to sexually prey on underage teens, yet these were only thoughts that they had secretly told someone but were also saying they were doing all in their power not to act upon them? Can you convict someone who has expressed impotent yet still dangerous threats if they seemed unstable enough you feared they may act upon them? Would it just fall under antisocial behaviour crimes? What are the nuances?

Are you from the UK? There's no such thing as ASBOs in the US. There's just infractions, misdemeanors, and felonies. (Fines, 0-12 months in jail, 1 year+ in prison, respectively).

In your scenario, the person might get scrutiny from law enforcement, and there'd be some social repercussions, but just having thoughts or vocalizing those thoughts is not a crime. Stating *intent* to commit a crime could result in a reaction from law enforcement, but the threat would have to be specific and credible.

"If somebody pisses me off enough, I'm gonna beat the shit out of that person." would not be criminal. "Clyde Cash, I am going to beat the shit out of you." would be a threat, and illegal.

 

[Mary Jane]

"Clyde Cash, I am going to beat the shit out of you." would be a threat, and illegal.

Would this be considered in the same way as something like calling in a bomb threat?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Would this be considered in the same way as something like calling in a bomb threat?

Calling in a bomb threat is much more severe and much more likely to be prosecuted, but yes.

EDIT: So for instance "I want to bomb a building." might get you a visit from the police, but would not be illegal in and of itself. "I am going to blow up my school" on the other hand, would be illegal.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I had a thought today while reading another thread, but what happens if Chris ( God, Jesus and the Bear forbids) offs himself? Would the state of Virginia bury the body or cremate it? And what would happen to 14bcl?

1. Chris would never kill himself; he's too cowardly to do so.
2. even IF this were to happen, since Chris doesn't have a plot (Bob should have gotten one for him), his corpse will be burnt and buried somewhere. You know what will happen to 14 BLC and I'm surprised it's not happening now.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

I had a thought today while reading another thread, but what happens if Chris ( God, Jesus and the Bear forbids) offs himself? Would the state of Virginia bury the body or cremate it? And what would happen to 14bcl?

He does have family members left, so they would probably be informed and he would be interred by Bob's tomb. The home would succumb to the mortgage after Barb passes, if it's still salvageable it will be sold off in an auction. No idea if they could rename the place, but if not the usual headaches of owning a "famous house" would happen, with weens going there every now and then to annoy the fuck out of the homeowners with shit they wouldn't understand!

1. Chris would never kill himself; he's too cowardly to do so.
2. even IF this were to happen, since Chris doesn't have a plot (Bob should have gotten one for him), his corpse will be burnt and buried somewhere. You know what will happen to 14 BLC and I'm surprised it's not happening now.

Barb is still alive, even after all that happened it would be surprising if she didn't care about him enough to bury him somewhere. Dealing with death isn't easy, but most people would do the bare minimum and try for the cheapest available option at least!

 

[TayandYou]

1. Chris would never kill himself; he's too cowardly to do so.

I'm not so sure about this anymore. Chris has exceeded our expectations in every possible way, I don't feel comfortable with making blanket statements about him.

IIRC he did talk about feeling suicidal during his exile period on facebook, and he also threatened suicide to the Idea Guys when they were fucking with him. A year ago I would say Chris was bluffing and would never do it, but now, I think Chris might be capable of it if he realizes he truly has nothing left to live for.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

He does have family members left, so they would probably be informed and he would be interred by Bob's tomb. The home would succumb to the mortgage after Barb passes, if it's still salvageable it will be sold off in an auction. No idea if they could rename the place, but if not the usual headaches of owning a "famous house" would happen, with weens going there every now and then to annoy the fuck out of the homeowners with shit they wouldn't understand!


Barb is still alive, even after all that happened it would be surprising if she didn't care about him enough to bury him somewhere. Dealing with death isn't easy, but most people would do the bare minimum and try for the cheapest available option at least!

I would think Barb would also get a plot for Chris, but she doesn't have any money herself. Goes to show you the only person who cared about the Chandler family was Bob. If it were up to Barb, she'd have Chris cremated and buried somewhere. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if she buried Chris' ashes next to Patti, or in the holes of the walls of 14 BLC.

 

[Merried Seinor Coomer]

I think Chris might be capable of it if he realizes he truly has nothing left to live for.

Nothing to live for on 1218 that is. Chris is half sonichu so he simultaneously exists in two dimensions. It's not really death if he dies here.

Something is standing in the way of the full merge, though, and cognitive dissonance seems be kicking in. How come the second most powerful being in our universe can't even escape the jail of fail?

Complete the collective shift now please, my second coming is now.
We leave the twelve eighteen earth now, we are on the one earth

I can't see Chris having enough shame to 41% just because his life sucks. But during the stone age...

 

[Ophelia]

even IF this were to happen, since Chris doesn't have a plot (Bob should have gotten one for him), his corpse will be burnt and buried somewhere.

Parents don’t want to handle death arrangements for their kids. I can’t fault Bob for washing his hands of that after all the shit he had to deal with.

If it were up to Barb, she'd have Chris cremated and buried somewhere.

Bob was cremated and she will be too, so that’s a good and fitting idea.

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I am reminded of Heaven’s Gate. For years the two nuts running it insisted that suicide was horrible and when the space ship came for them, it would take their bodies whole. But then one of them died of cancer, and Applewhite grew more inclined towards the notion that their spirits would have to abandon their “vessels.” IE, commit suicide.

I can see Chris growing so deluded and miserable that he can talk himself into sending his spirit to the other dimension, but having to leave his body behind to do so. It’s a way to think of suicide that makes it seem less scary.

But would he even be able to pull it off or would he fuck it up?

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Parents don’t want to handle death arrangements for their kids. I can’t fault Bob for washing his hands of that after all the shit he had to deal with.


Bob was cremated and she will be too, so that’s a good and fitting idea.

True, but most kids aren't Chris. I'm fairly certain Bob might have regretted not getting one for Chris, considering how much of a failure he turned out to be.

It may be fitting, the sad part is, Chris won't join his parents in the columbarium.

 

[Ophelia]

True, but most kids aren't Chris. I'm fairly certain Bob might have regretted not getting one for Chris, considering how much of a failure he turned out to be.

I can see that, but I can also see him just being Done.

It may be fitting, the sad part is, Chris won't join his parents in the columbarium.

This kind of thing doesn’t really stir my emotions. He’ll be dead, they’ll be dead, we’re the only ones who would care. If he did have a final resting place, assholes would vandalize it. Dust in the wind is probably the ideal.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I can see that, but I can also see him just being Done.

This would sound cruel, but I'm hoping before Bob died, he would call Chris a worthless failure if anything to jumpstart Chris into bettering himself.

 

[Ophelia]

This would sound cruel, but I'm hoping before Bob died, he would call Chris a worthless failure if anything to jumpstart Chris into bettering himself.

Shaming isn’t always the force of betterment people think it is. It often makes things worse.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Shaming isn’t always the force of betterment people think it is. It often makes things worse.

I'll agree to disagree on that one; from my perspective, most people tend to feel driven when they are demeaned by other people: "you can't do this/you're such a loser." What Chris need was harsher reinforcement (tough love) no matter how negative it was. Not even Bob's letters he wrote to young Chris had any effect on him.

 

[BScCollateral]

Shaming isn’t always the force of betterment people think it is. It often makes things worse.

I suspect you're right in this instance. Chris seems more likely to invent people to praise him.
"He's wrong about my being a loser, because the Sonichu Council of Io gave me the Most Awesome award, among which."

 

[Assistant Manajerk]

Bob Chandler served in the US Army and was stationed in Korea shortly after the end of World War Two in the Pacific, being just young enough to miss having seen live combat against the Japanese, who had just surrendered following the twin atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Had the Manhattan Project not been successful in devising the atomic bomb, or had President Truman not made the fateful decision to use the bombs to bring the war to a swift conclusion, Bob almost certainly would have been among the multitude of infantrymen slated to participate in Operation Downfall, the planned conventional assault upon the Home Islands that was projected to result in an absolute slaughter on both sides and was expected to claim the lives of hundreds of thousands of American troops. There's a very good chance Bob would have been killed in action, and even if he survived the war the trajectory of his life would have certainly been altered dramatically and the dark forces of causality that kicked off the inexorable chain of events which led to him meeting Barb and siring the dark one would have never come to pass. There's pretty much a direct series of events that link Oppenheimer and his team working on the Manhattan Project in 1943 that eventually culminates in a deranged lunatic molesting his own mother some eighty years later.

All these years we thought Oppenheimer was lamenting his role in creating the most monstrous and barbaric weapon man has ever conceived when he quoted the Bhagavadgita, that he was helplessly envisioning a fiery nuclear holocaust brought about by his own hand. We now know he instead had a premonition of something far more horrific that he had unwittingly unleashed upon the world.

 

[Mary Jane]

I am reminded of Heaven’s Gate. For years the two nuts running it insisted that suicide was horrible and when the space ship came for them, it would take their bodies whole. But then one of them died of cancer, and Applewhite grew more inclined towards the notion that their spirits would have to abandon their “vessels.” IE, commit suicide.

I can see Chris growing so deluded and miserable that he can talk himself into sending his spirit to the other dimension, but having to leave his body behind to do so.

I've actually been thinking this in the back of my head for awhile, that Chris could pull a Heaven's Gate. He already believes (or says he believes) that Bob is still alive as Robertchu in the Cwcville dimension, so once Barbie-chan dies I could definitely see him finding a way to 41% to help the merge along, Taint Wound style.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I've actually been thinking this in the back of my head for awhile, that Chris could pull a Heaven's Gate. He already believes (or says he believes) that Bob is still alive as Robertchu in the Cwcville dimension, so once Barbie-chan dies I could definitely see him finding a way to 41% to help the merge along, Taint Wound style.

I think that’s a definite concern particularly with the potential of malicious trolls convincing him that for the merge to begin he needs to rid himself of his mortal shell or some other spiritualist sounding nonsense, I’m hoping the mental health facility he’s in is considering that possibility too.

I don't appreciate the fact that someone reacted to my post with a "dumb" emoji. Fuck you. My post was not dumb. You're a piece of shit.

They‘re just internet stickers bro.

 

[NortonAntiVirus]

I've actually been thinking this in the back of my head for awhile, that Chris could pull a Heaven's Gate. He already believes (or says he believes) that Bob is still alive as Robertchu in the Cwcville dimension, so once Barbie-chan dies I could definitely see him finding a way to 41% to help the merge along, Taint Wound style.

Without a doubt the dude could create a cult with equally as insane people as him but it would never materialize, he will give up because it takes effort.