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To reiterate, Heilberg is not a public defender.
We've discussed this at interminable length. I said he is doing more than most public defenders would, not that he is an employee of the public defender's department.
Then along comes last summer, when Chris's charges get upgraded to a felony, and Heilberg throws the tard card down as some hail Mary play because, thanks to Chris's big mouth, he's dead to rights. So now the only options are:
He "threw the tard card down" because there's a brand new law that might as well be called the Chris-Chan Protection Act that explicitly lists autism as a reason for deferred adjudication.

He was dead to rights from the VERY BEGINNING.
This was confirmed?
No, but it's a reasonable assumption.
 
He "threw the tard card down" because there's a brand new law that might as well be called the Chris-Chan Protection Act that explicitly lists autism as a reason for deferred adjudication.

He was dead to rights from the VERY BEGINNING.
So, Chris may never learn a real lesson and be in and out of the slammer until he dies of heart failure and bed bug bites.
 
Heilberg is doing Chris a complete disservice because there is no long term care. The tard defense only mitigates the consequences, and puts Chris into care for a short period. If he had been sent to big boy prison, there would have been lots more avenues for advancements. There is a considerable autism training programs in prisons, not to mention job training programs for people who have never had a job before except crime, where they could have had years to reprogram Chris. Not to mention, it would been a horrible place for Chris to be and thus make him not want to go back in there.

In a year or two, when Chris is out, assuming the tard defense worked, Chris won't care. Nothing will stick, and Chris will once again be free to cause even more trouble, this time without a home to go to, which will mean he will be fending for himself and more likely to get hurt or killed by the seedy folks he'll be around.

I wholly believe that Heilberg went into this thinking Chris was some sort of victim, and that no, he didn't actually do the things that were being said that he did, and only after his various evaluations, Chris blabbering about the crimes, did Heilberg realize he was in way over his head. I mean lets face it, Chris went in with a misdemeanor and a year later, it turned into a felony, that's a bad turn of events for any defense lawyer.

Heilberg is likely a boomer and modern day issues like all these lolcows and their shit aren't known in his high age.
Kind of a fucked up thing to say, dude. Even if Barb was a piece of shit to Chris and Bob, nobody deserves to be raped multiple times by their 40 year old son.
If people deserve to be killed for being child molesters, people getting beat up for saying nigger then shitty mothers sure as hell deserve to be violated by the children they raised.
 
To reiterate, Heilberg is not a public defender. Chris's case just didn't roll across his desk as the next one in line. The judge specifically called him and asked if he would take it on. Heilberg did a cursory glance at the bare minimum of Chris, a transexual, with mental issues, who was accused of a horrible crime, who also has a long history of internet shenanigans. Heilberg is also from Charlottesville, which is pretty progressive for that area of Virginia, and the Greene county courts wanted to make doubly sure they didn't stick Chris with some overworked public defender because they know full well what happens in Charlottesville in terms of protests could spread out there. Remember, the whole nazis and torches riots were only a few years ago. So if Chris gets crucified, sent to prison for a decade, they didn't want the blood on their hands and wanted someone who knew what they were doing and would actually defend Chris.

Having worked with lawyers for a long time, there's been a turn to cater to LGBT type folks, and Heilberg most likely took on Chris to pad his record, so to speak. Lawyers are a crafty bunch and they're always thinking about their record at the end of the day. Heilberg mostly has been representing drunks and pill poppers, long gone from the days of representing the DC snipers and other pretty high end cases, so with Chris, he thought it would be a slam dunk. Some people accused Chris of something horrifying, but he's just an innocent tard, caught up in meanies on that internets making shit up about him. He even confirmed this early on after taking on Chris by issuing statements that people shouldn't believe what they heard. I have a suspicion that he had no clue about Chris other than his record and some snippets of stuff from the "web".

Honestly, Chris duped him with his various copes. Heilberg probably thought he'd get Chris into some testing, evaluations, and come out saving the poor troon tard, getting off those charges (at the time were still a misdemeanor), getting Chris compassionate help, and coming out as hero to the local LGBT community, maybe even getting more business in the process. A lot of people don't understand, but in C-ville, catering to the LGBT crowd is a big business.

Then the tests come back that Chris isn't actually insane, he just doesn't care, and he won't shutup. So by the time Heilberg is trying to put a defense together, Chris is spilling his guts, admitting everything he did, admitting it was wrong, passing every insanity test with flying colors, writing letters to people about how he wants Barb dead or carted off so he can have the house, and doing everything he can to shove a wrench into the defense.

Then along comes last summer, when Chris's charges get upgraded to a felony, and Heilberg throws the tard card down as some hail Mary play because, thanks to Chris's big mouth, he's dead to rights. So now the only options are:

Praying the courts buy into Chris was so autistic when he was doing the deed, that he had no clue what was going on and that it wasn't wrong because of some autism thing.

Accepting Chris was completely of sound mind when he was Barb breaking and trying to mitigate the big boy punishment that awaits Chris.

I don't think Heilberg is any different than some ween trying to take Chris on, gatekeeping, and attempting to manipulate Chris into something he isn't. It's just that he didn't take on the burden of Chris willingly in order to control him, and he's finding out that trying to herd Chris into a functional human is virtually impossible.
All that is why Chris is the perfect symbol for Clown world. He's a tranny retard rapist and we're supposed to feel sorry for him being a victim of trolls and internet bullies who pushed a poor autistic transwoman over the edge.


If Chris lived in any other time he'd have been locked up, sterilized, and lobotomized and kept away from decent folk.
 
All that is why Chris is the perfect symbol for Clown world. He's a tranny retard rapist and we're supposed to feel sorry for him being a victim of trolls and internet bullies who pushed a poor autistic transwoman over the edge.


If Chris lived in any other time he'd have been locked up, sterilized, and lobotomized and kept away from decent folk.
So true. Normalizing mental health as we did has flung open the floodgates for this madness to ensue.
 
Kinda lame but seems ChatGPT is fighting in Chris' corner.

Me:
Was Chris Chan right to use an attraction sign to find a boyfriend free girl?
ChatGPT:
No, Chris Chan's use of an "attraction sign" to try to find a romantic partner is not appropriate or acceptable behavior. It is important to respect people's boundaries and to seek healthy, consensual relationships based on mutual respect, trust, and communication. Engaging in behavior that could be perceived as creepy or harassing is never justifiable and can cause significant harm to others. It's important to treat others with dignity and respect and to seek relationships that are based on mutual consent and positive interaction.
Me:
Was Mary Lee Walsh right to scold him over this?
ChatGPT:
It is not appropriate to scold or shame someone in a harmful or abusive manner, regardless of the behavior in question. While Chris Chan's actions may have been misguided or inappropriate, addressing the situation in a harmful or abusive manner is not a productive solution and can cause further harm. It is important to handle difficult situations with compassion and empathy, and to seek resolution through respectful communication and negotiation.
 
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Kinda lame but seems ChatGPT is fighting in Chris' corner.

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ChatGPT:

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ChatGPT:
That AI sure is programmed to have some weird opinions:
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Chris is fucked anyway, regardless of the outcome. He life as he knows it, is over.
People have said this a million times, and each and every time they miss the fact that Chris is a delusional retard, who even if he ends up in a home, will find new ways to be a disaster. It just won't be (hopefully) broadcasted to the world
 
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People have said this a million times, and each and every time they miss the fact that Chris is a delusional retard, who even if he ends up in a home, will find new ways to be a disaster. It just won't be (hopefully) broadcasted to the world
What i'm trying to say is that Chris' verdict won't matter. Chris will always find ways to run his on live into ruins, just as almost every lolcow does. Chris is lost for good. A mentally retarded, pampered tranny stuck in his own fantasy world. I'm surprised no troll ever manipulated Chris into ending his own life so he can merge with that dimension where his sonichu/rosechus and all the other fictional characters reside.
 
So, Chris may never learn a real lesson and be in and out of the slammer until he dies of heart failure and bed bug bites.
I always said this
Chris's incapable of learning a lesson the same way you or I do
Think about it like this

A common punishment for a cat is to spray it with a spray bottle. You don't want the cat on furniture. So when the cat gets on the couch you spray it with the spray bottle.
The cat then says to itself "if I go on to the couch I will get sprayed so I will go on to the table instead"
The cat jumps on the table you spray it with a spray bottle. So the cat thanks to itself "if I jump on the couch or the table I will get sprayed so I will jump on the chair"
The cat does not ever think if it jumps on the furniture it will get in trouble it only thinks if I do this specific action I will face this specific consequence.

Now you may ask yourself how does this apply to Chris? And you would be right for asking after all it seems like I just mumbled on about some cat but let me tell you there is an actual correlation to a moment in christory.

CHRIS AND WEAPONS
-Chris had a knife he intended to use as a self-defense weapon. He cut himself with it accidentally learning that (the consequence of having a knife is that you could cut yourself)
-chris ran over a guy with his car. He learned that (the consequences of that are legal trouble)
-Chris had pepper spray to use as a self-defense weapon. He sprayed a GameStop employee and got in legal trouble. He learns that (the consequences of pepper spray are legal trouble)
-so he started carrying around a baseball bat as a self-defense weapon

If I were to switch things up and give him a baseball bat instead of pepper spray at GameStop there's no doubt in my mind he would have swung at the guy then run away. Because in Chris's mind he does not correlate assault with trouble but rather associate specific actions with specific consequences.

If you were to throw up baseball at someone's head you would get in trouble and say to yourself "okay I will get in trouble if I throw something at someone's head"
Chris would say to himself "okay I will get in trouble if I throw a baseball at someone said so next time I will use a rock"

If you pay attention to christory you can see the correlation between this and many of his other actions like the Love quest.
 
if they see his ramblings about being jesus reborn and the goddess blueheart and all that other nonsense as the ramblings of a man with autism or the ramblings of a lunatic who is a danger to himself and everyone around him.

personally i think they are just gonna set him free into the streets since one thing america loves doing is letting crazy people free and only keeping them locked up when they either start blowing shit up or trying to assassinate people.
They've seen all that. What do you think had been going on for the past 18 months? The entire process has occurred deliberately as it has because they are dealing with him as an individual - they combined punishment (remaining in custody) with an ultimate more holistic outcome. Virginia has had a lot of growth in law around the intersection of criminality and mentally compromised persons -including but not only the "autism statute." The point of all of it is to have outcomes more closely tailored and appropriate to the individual, rather than mass or cursory institutionalization, or no care at all, for people who come into the criminal justice system with other significant factors that would suggest the standard system won't be a good fit and could even exacerbate the larger issue.
I understand Heilberg is doing his job. But one thing is to convince a group of people of his client's innocence, and it's another to convince your self about the client you represent. I'm pretty sure when Heilberg interviewed Chris, he wouldn't believe his history and either had to read the CWCki or see a Geno vid to get the story. Heilberg probably believes "Okay, you're clearly not in the best frame of mind for this, so I'm going to defend you by saying to people there's misinformation about you."

Kind of reminds me of Robert Kardashian and his defense of O.J.: He did his job (even though it was mostly Cochran), but after the trial, he didn't want to have anything to do with his client because he was a murderous POS.
There is no such thing as a successful criminal defense lawyer with only innocent clients, and certainly no such thing as one who believes all his clients. Belief or non-belief doesn't change the quality of the job you do, at least not the floor, which is zealous and a bunch of other things that mean you owe a lot of shitty people (and the profession) a lot of very high duties.

It's called being a professional and not getting overly emotionally invested when you're doing your job.

Heilberg (and the Court) have handled this case exactly as it should be. These potentially available outcomes are the point of mental health law reform. There are times when the law can actually function for exceptional situations. And as we know, Chris is exactly that.
To reiterate, Heilberg is not a public defender. Chris's case just didn't roll across his desk as the next one in line. The judge specifically called him and asked if he would take it on. Heilberg did a cursory glance at the bare minimum of Chris, a transexual, with mental issues, who was accused of a horrible crime, who also has a long history of internet shenanigans. Heilberg is also from Charlottesville, which is pretty progressive for that area of Virginia, and the Greene county courts wanted to make doubly sure they didn't stick Chris with some overworked public defender because they know full well what happens in Charlottesville in terms of protests could spread out there. Remember, the whole nazis and torches riots were only a few years ago. So if Chris gets crucified, sent to prison for a decade, they didn't want the blood on their hands and wanted someone who knew what they were doing and would actually defend Chris.

Having worked with lawyers for a long time, there's been a turn to cater to LGBT type folks, and Heilberg most likely took on Chris to pad his record, so to speak. Lawyers are a crafty bunch and they're always thinking about their record at the end of the day. Heilberg mostly has been representing drunks and pill poppers, long gone from the days of representing the DC snipers and other pretty high end cases, so with Chris, he thought it would be a slam dunk. Some people accused Chris of something horrifying, but he's just an innocent tard, caught up in meanies on that internets making shit up about him. He even confirmed this early on after taking on Chris by issuing statements that people shouldn't believe what they heard. I have a suspicion that he had no clue about Chris other than his record and some snippets of stuff from the "web".

Honestly, Chris duped him with his various copes. Heilberg probably thought he'd get Chris into some testing, evaluations, and come out saving the poor troon tard, getting off those charges (at the time were still a misdemeanor), getting Chris compassionate help, and coming out as hero to the local LGBT community, maybe even getting more business in the process. A lot of people don't understand, but in C-ville, catering to the LGBT crowd is a big business.

Then the tests come back that Chris isn't actually insane, he just doesn't care, and he won't shutup. So by the time Heilberg is trying to put a defense together, Chris is spilling his guts, admitting everything he did, admitting it was wrong, passing every insanity test with flying colors, writing letters to people about how he wants Barb dead or carted off so he can have the house, and doing everything he can to shove a wrench into the defense.

Then along comes last summer, when Chris's charges get upgraded to a felony, and Heilberg throws the tard card down as some hail Mary play because, thanks to Chris's big mouth, he's dead to rights. So now the only options are:

Praying the courts buy into Chris was so autistic when he was doing the deed, that he had no clue what was going on and that it wasn't wrong because of some autism thing.

Accepting Chris was completely of sound mind when he was Barb breaking and trying to mitigate the big boy punishment that awaits Chris.

I don't think Heilberg is any different than some ween trying to take Chris on, gatekeeping, and attempting to manipulate Chris into something he isn't. It's just that he didn't take on the burden of Chris willingly in order to control him, and he's finding out that trying to herd Chris into a functional human is virtually impossible.
I don't think you understand a Heilberg. At all.

(Or Charlottesville, for that matter, but that's neither here nor there.)
 
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