Containment Random Thoughts & Questions
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It doesn't take a genius to be able to tell that Chris is a walking ball of mental illnesses that fall outside the label of mere autism. I'm sure during his time incarcerated or at the group home they probably did some sort of examination of what shit he's dealing with exactly, but there's a pretty low chance of any of that paperwork seeing the light of day.
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I dunno, autism may just be the most substantive disorder he has and as long as they could still diagnose that, they may not have looked further. At the least, Chris hasn't suddenly started parroting any new phrases from other diagnoses. He sometimes shoehorns in terms that he hears about when talking about himself, like dementia or PTSD. But I think autism was the only thing he mentioned post-jail.
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What does "Honor Roll" think would happen with movie characters becoming real if "da merge" happened? Would they become real alongside the actors who play them? Like there'd be Harrison Ford, a Harrison Ford clone who happens to be Indiana Jones, and another Harrison Ford clone who's Han Solo? The idea of all fiction going real sure is stupid...
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Would Chris have any legal standing if he decided to start filing defamation lawsuits against people who say he raped Barb? Whether he really did it notwithstanding, he was technically never charged by the state of Virginia, and we don't have any proof that Barb's been diagnosed with dementia. There's also an argument to be made that it's harmed him financially; every post I've seen of someone buying his merch is filled with people shaming the person for giving money to a rapist, so I have to imagine it's discouraged at least a few people. It would be equally horrifying and hilarious if we got a lolsuit saga that ended with the Teflon Tard actually coming out on top and getting rich, all because "it was incest, not rape"
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Possibly.
Unlike a criminal trial, a defamation or libel suit would be a civil trial, which requires only "a preponderance of evidence" as the burden or proof, as opposed to "beyond a reasonable doubt", so it doesn't even need to be a slam dunk.
And despite what legal TV shows and movies portray, most trials end in a plea bargain / settlement, so it's possible that he could get something out of it without having to go through a jury trial.
A reasonable lawyer unfamiliar with Chris' infamy would probably advise against it due to the "Streisand Effect". Such a trial would draw attention to the points that the plaintiff wants everyone to forget. So even if it's successful, it would undermine itself. Of course, Chris isn't like most people, so the motivations would be unique in such a scenario.
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The Chandlers do have a history of trying to sue people for things that they thought were wrong but every time they were tossed. I mean Bob tried to sue the elementary school for wanting to send Chris to a special school. Sounds stupid but a lawyer will always say yes as long as they get paid.
In Chris's case, he's up against the legal system. For the autism deferral to trigger, he would have had to have plead guilty OR the court had enough evidence to convict. Plus, Chris went through all the motions of the autism deferral, Gateway homes, etc... Basically in the eyes of the judicial system, Chris was guilty.
Then there's the question of Chris paying a lawyer to do all this.
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He's guilty of incest in the eyes of the state, but he was never charged with rape. I'm essentially just curious if there are legal grounds for him to argue that:
- Barb was capable of consent at the time they engaged in incest
- It's more harmful for him financially when people accuse him of raping Barb, which he wasn't charged with, than it would be if people only stated that he had consensual incestuous sex with Barb, which he was charged with and technically plead guilty for.
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It's actually one of the Teflon Tard's greatest escapes. Everything Chris went through lead to the state wobbling Chris's incest charge from a misdemeanor to a felony. Shortly after, a grand jury was going to be convened where it would have been very likely Chris would have gotten additional charges. Elder abuse? Actual rape? All possibilities. Grand juries are convened when there are serious charges being discussed.
We just have no idea, and Chris seems like he'd want this to just not come up, rather than having to talk about it in various legal dealings.
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Is Chris still studying Finnish?
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In "headcanon" none of "Sonichu" is "canon". None of it ever happened. Those "furry"
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Would probably depend on if Chris is considered a public figure, then he would need to prove that anyone he wanted to sue acted with "actual malice".
He had the option to plead not guilty too. I don't think it's known what he pled.
What's the proof he had a misdemeanor?
The public court documents just list incest as what the grand jury was considering. I don't think the prosecutor was going to wait that late just to introduce more charges, that's something that could have been done beforehand. I don't think it was even intended to pursue any more charges - the autism deferral wasn't a surefire thing, there's a clause that says the court can reject if justice wouldn't be served. If there were additional charges, the court would want to consider them all and then decide if Chris should still receive the deferral.
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Doesn't defamation involve fraudulent intent? There is evidence that that freak did it* with Barb, he was in jail around a year for something, and Barb is old and out of it.
* (like that book)
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Idk if this is the right place to post, but my boyfriend got me a sonichu shirt for valentine's day and it's fucking awful, thought i'd share
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It's not quite on the same level as the one Chris himself made for gal pal Kellie Andes, but you can't expect mere mortals to have the same abilities as a literal god Commodore 64 Blue Heart whatever.
The medallion looks like a cookie. I see that you agree. I hope the ear was delicious.
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It was a deferred adjudication, so he never was convicted. That doesn't mean normal human discussion is held to the standard of the law. For instance, even though O.J. wasn't convicted, it would be very unlikely he would have won a defamation case if you called him a murder.
However, the statute under which he got to play the tism card requires that your crime was committed as the result of a mental disorder (in this case the tism). So he legally had to admit he actually did what he was charged with, but as the result of a disorder.
Under the circumstances, it is entirely reasonable to conclude that he definitely committed incest, and considering Barb's advanced age, that it would have had to have been rape, and Chris also publicly admitted she told him to stop at first.
So I'd feel fairly safe in making that statement. Short of getting a monster lawyer who can make mountains out of molehills at huge expense, I wouldn't think any such suit would have merit. Considering almost anyone who knows about his existence at all knows he fucks his mom, it's pretty unlikely claiming it caused any additional damage.
No, mere negligence is enough for a private person. Chris is probably at least a limited public figure in the circles where he is known, and for a public figure, it requires actual malice, which in typical legal fashion doesn't actually mean "actual malice," but means knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for it.
I think it would be fairly to establish it was reasonable to rely on public records and even Chris's own admissions to come to the conclusion he is a rapist.
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I was looking through this pdf on VA grand juries and it seems to outline the procedure Chris went through between the J&DR court and Circuit Court. https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/handbook_grand_jurors.pdf
"A person held on a Warrant is brought to trial in a District Court. The trial is conductedbefore a judge without a jury. (1) If the judge determines that the accused is not guilty ofany criminal offense, he or she dismisses the case. (2) If the judge determines that theaccused is guilty of a misdemeanor only, the judge will assess the punishment. (3) If,however, the judge determines that a felony may be involved, the judge will certify (send)the case to the Circuit Court for presentation to a Regular Grand Jury to determinewhether there is probable cause to believe that a felony has been committed by theaccused person. This procedure is used because a District Court has no authority to try aperson for a felony."
Which seems consistent with https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Cour...(Chris,_JA004949-02-00)_-_26_January_2023.png
So I don't think a misdemeanor was ever on the table.
"upon a plea of guilty, or after a plea of not guilty, and the facts found by the court would justify a finding of guilt,"
"A person held on a Warrant is brought to trial in a District Court. The trial is conductedbefore a judge without a jury. (1) If the judge determines that the accused is not guilty ofany criminal offense, he or she dismisses the case. (2) If the judge determines that theaccused is guilty of a misdemeanor only, the judge will assess the punishment. (3) If,however, the judge determines that a felony may be involved, the judge will certify (send)the case to the Circuit Court for presentation to a Regular Grand Jury to determinewhether there is probable cause to believe that a felony has been committed by theaccused person. This procedure is used because a District Court has no authority to try aperson for a felony."
Which seems consistent with https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Cour...(Chris,_JA004949-02-00)_-_26_January_2023.png
So I don't think a misdemeanor was ever on the table.
VA allows for not guilty pleas in some deferred dispositions. Though there's still the fact the trigger involves the court believing there's probably enough evidence for guilt.
"upon a plea of guilty, or after a plea of not guilty, and the facts found by the court would justify a finding of guilt,"
In the Incest Texts, Chris said he'd been doing some sex acts with Barb, then she told him to stop. But he doesn't actually say what happened next. And if he did back off that night and they were still in the habit of doing it every 3 days, then he never got to do it again since he was EPO'd out of the house by then.
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Is there any chance he didn't do it? There's the call to Null, him buying that book, his incestuous behavior before the incident, and of course he was in jail for something.
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I think Chris did it but the question is how consensual it was, a question no sane person should be thinking about for too long..
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A lesser included offense is always on the table and can be raised any time before the case is submitted to the trier of fact (whether that is the judge or a jury).
And while a guilty plea is not required (and Chris did not make one), using the deferral statute is essentially an admission to the underlying facts. If there was no crime, it couldn't have been caused by autism because it didn't even happen.
I think Chris did it, but that's not the legal issue for defamation against a public figure. It's whether you either actually knew it's false when you said it, or acted with reckless disregard for its truth or falsity (which requires subjective doubt).