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You seem to assume he can't have 2 incompatible and logically consistent opinions about it simultaneously.
I do not accept your assumption.
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I do not accept your assumption.
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I never see Chris mention or bring up any kiwifarm information, even considering how apt that information is to his current activities.
If he checks kiwifarms, I think he rarely does more than just read thread titles.
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Back when he posted that pick of him with the hearts over his nipples, he responded to someone's guess about his breast size, I think.
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Anyone got the audio for the following prank calls?
- Chris calls the Po-Po; Po-Po calls Bob.
- Snake Productions Calls Bob Chandler.
- Snake Productions Calls Barbara Chandler.
- Call Bobby Chandler.
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So, as far as spooning goes, Chris and Barb have always been very close, physically. For years, they would lie on Chris' bed and watch movies together and fall asleep on the bed. That's the spooning.
As far as the belly dancer thing goes, I've listened to hundreds of hours of Chris rambling about stupid shit like his dreams and weird sex shit. That belly dancer thing definitely sounds like something I've heard, but I don't remember it specifically.
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As salacious as that sounds, the real problem is how close they've been mentally.
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Does any four year college in VA have a program like this?
http://www.kmbc.com/news/movein-day-arrives-for-ucms-thrive-program/34913386
http://www.kmbc.com/news/movein-day-arrives-for-ucms-thrive-program/34913386
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This looks like a great program, but Chris thinks he wouldn't need a special program like this and would most definitely look down on other people that are "lower" in intellectual capacity than him.
Chris' acceptance of his autism has always been curious. It's one of the first things he will tell you about himself, but he does it only to garner sympathy and asspats. He does not accept the consequences of autism and acknowledge the special care it requires. So in summary, he only wants the "benefits" of autism without accepting the real consequences that he is not as capable as others. This stubborn attitude is most likely due to his parent's insistence on "mainstreaming" and therefore ignoring the problem, but also from Chris' own arrogance.
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It's a catch-22.
Without the autism, he would be better able to perceive and understand how he is different from others, and then be able to adjust his efforts and expectations accordingly.
But without the autism, he might not be nearly as different.
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The idea of mainstreaming is sound, but it isn't just ignoring the problem and shoving the kid into normal education like nothing is wrong.
It's teaching the kid coping techniques to minimize the problems their condition might cause them, possibly other techniques to exploit any advantages it might have, and then moving them into normal education so they can eventually be mainstream in real life as well.
Chris got the worst of all worlds.
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He did have "coping skills" class. I am not sure if that was the entire extent of the extra help he received. But MHS did seem to acknowledge Chris wasn't as naturally prepared for the real world as some, and tried some things to overcome it.
But it did fail, so I can't say it isn't fair to question it. I tend to think that it might still boil down to the fight for mainstreaming and the consequent hatred of other special kids. He used the phrase slow-in-the-mind in a high school project. That may be a indication of Chris' attitiude towards any special assistance he received to help him integrate better.
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I think this is the gist of it. The Chandler ' s used mainstreaming as an exploit to do things their way. It wasn't a "they were committed and convinced this was the right thing to do" kinda thing.
Sorry if I'm interrupting, but there's something I've wanted to get off my chest for a while: I think I've figured out why so many people find it acceptable to make fun of people who have (or claim to have) high-functioning autism, even when it appears to be real.
If a person is, say, paranoid schizophrenic or has bipolar disorder, the bad behavior is directly caused by the condition. This behavior can be recognized as being the result of a medical condition. And then there are, of course, people who engage in socially unacceptable behavior without being mentally ill. When someone engages in the latter kind of behavior, we know them to be an asshole, because they clearly have no excuse.
But what if there were a medical condition that directly caused socially unacceptable behavior of the latter type? A condition that hampered a person's ability to learn social cues such that the resulting behavior was 'realistically unacceptable' - simply the behavior of a jerk - rather than clearly that of a mentally ill person? This describes high-functioning autism. Even if the condition is real (which I believe to be the case), tolerating their behavior is not an option, because our society is built upon not tolerating behaviors such as those. But at the same time, simply telling them to behave is not enough. For a person with high-functioning autism, those behaviors must be learnt by rote (rather than in the usual way, which most people take for granted), which is extremely difficult.
I am not saying that we should be nicer to high-functioning autistic people. People self-diagnosing themselves with high-functioning autism in roder to get away with their bad behavior is a real problem, and indeed, at least some actually autistic people also use their condition as an excuse. But at the same time, I also don't believe that we should treat all high-functioning autistic people as if they use the condition as an excuse (I'm looking at you, Holdek, and no, I don't care if you were trolling). This is a problem with no easy answers.
If a person is, say, paranoid schizophrenic or has bipolar disorder, the bad behavior is directly caused by the condition. This behavior can be recognized as being the result of a medical condition. And then there are, of course, people who engage in socially unacceptable behavior without being mentally ill. When someone engages in the latter kind of behavior, we know them to be an asshole, because they clearly have no excuse.
But what if there were a medical condition that directly caused socially unacceptable behavior of the latter type? A condition that hampered a person's ability to learn social cues such that the resulting behavior was 'realistically unacceptable' - simply the behavior of a jerk - rather than clearly that of a mentally ill person? This describes high-functioning autism. Even if the condition is real (which I believe to be the case), tolerating their behavior is not an option, because our society is built upon not tolerating behaviors such as those. But at the same time, simply telling them to behave is not enough. For a person with high-functioning autism, those behaviors must be learnt by rote (rather than in the usual way, which most people take for granted), which is extremely difficult.
I am not saying that we should be nicer to high-functioning autistic people. People self-diagnosing themselves with high-functioning autism in roder to get away with their bad behavior is a real problem, and indeed, at least some actually autistic people also use their condition as an excuse. But at the same time, I also don't believe that we should treat all high-functioning autistic people as if they use the condition as an excuse (I'm looking at you, Holdek, and no, I don't care if you were trolling). This is a problem with no easy answers.
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"and better" = "and Transformers merchandize".
Because Transformers are better than bills that have to be paid!
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What you're describing here is at the core of pretty much every debate we have on here about autism and Chris' behavior. This isn't new.
I think you're mistaken in thinking there's a fundamental difference between schizophrenia and autism. Schizophrenics, like autistics, see a distorted view of the world and consciously, rationally react in kind. A schizophrenic might think that the teachers at their school are assassins or some shit trying to kill them and so they react to that. If a normal person perceived that same thing, they'd react in the same way.
Similarly, autistics miss social cues, so they are extra blunt in inappropriate ways. If a normal person saw things through the eyes of an autistic person, they'd also rationally react in the same way.
The only difference I see between these two situations is a matter of scale.
To get back to specifics, as far as these issues apply to Chris, I think that almost all of the shittiest parts of Chris' life are due to bad parenting and Chris being an asshole. Autism is at the bottom of the totem pole. I talked about the specifics in another post.
Chris is a huge asshole. Probably an incurable asshole at this point in his life. He's at least incurable while Barb is alive.
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NASA astronaut Scott Kelly, left, assists JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) astronaut Kimiya Yui with measurements for the ongoing Ocular Health study on the International Space Station. Yui is using a Fundoscope to take images of the retinal surface of his eye. Ocular Health gathers data to characterize how living in microgravity can affect the visual, vascular and central nervous systems.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/wklysumm_week_of_17aug15
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